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08-28-2007, 05:20 PM | #1 |
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Silmarillion - Chapter 16 - Of Maeglin
Though I must apologize for the long delay in these discussions, it occurs to me that between chapters 15 and 16 is really a fitting point for such a break. “Of Maeglin” marks a change in tone for The Silmarillion. While most of the narrative up to this point has been written in a high ‘mythological’ or ‘historical’ style, telling more concerning peoples and populations than individual persons, most of the material from here on the focus is more squarely on a few characters whose lives and deeds dominate the later history of Beleriand. Indeed, the specific concern of this chapter is to relate the origins and early life of its title character, Maeglin.
Such a tale naturally begins with his parents; thus we are introduced to Aredhel and Eol, two of the more intriguing of Tolkien’s characters. Aredhel comes across as proud and willful, which traits further emphasized by her friendship with the sons of Feanor. Indeed, her decision to travel through Nan Dungortheb strikes me as rather like the kind of rash thing one of Feanor’s sons might do. She is what you might call a real Noldo’s Noldo, if you take my meaning. Eol, on the other hand, is something of an anti-Noldo. He is “the Dark Elf” who, far from basking in the light of Valinor, makes his dwelling amid the “tallest and darkest” trees in Beleriand, where “the sun never came”; and he dislikes the Noldor, blaming them for the troubles that arose in Beleriand after their return. In one thing, though, he is like the Noldor – in his love of craft and smith-work. The strange relationship between Eol and Aredhel is never fully expounded, and this lends it a certain enigmatic mystery and tempts one to fill in the gaps. Of her captivity and marriage we are told only that “It is not said that Aredhel was wholly unwilling, nor that her life in Nan Elmoth was hateful to her for many years.” In any case, it is out of this strange union that Maeglin arises, in whose character it is easy to see those of his parents blent. He cares more for his mother than his father, and of course he prefers to escape to Gondolin rathern than remain in the twilight of Nan Elmoth. Yet in his dark disposition and in his love for mining we see elements of Eol. The chapter ends by telling the reader explicitly what these events have brought about: “amid all the bliss and glory of that realm [Gondolin], while its glory lasted, a dark seed of evil was sown.” This is an instance of Tolkien’s characteristic foreshadowing; we know now that Maeglin’s presence will lead to tragedy in Gondolin, but to learn what that tragedy is and how it comes about, we must read on. The story of Aredhel and Eol is mentioned as far back as the Lost Tales, but it was not told in full until much later in the evolution of the Legendarium. In the “Fall of Gondolin” from the Lost Tales, the story of Eol and Isfin (the later Aredhel) is referred to but “may not here be told”. In the writings from the 1920s and 1930s there were a few further references to the story, which appears to have been very much in flux. Isfin is lost either in Doriath or in Taur-na-Fuin, and the texts disagree on whether she accompanied Meglin when he escaped to Gondolin. The final story was more or less achieved in its essentials in the “Grey Annals” of the 1950s; at the same time or shortly thereafter a full narrative form of the tale was written, which was used as the basis for the version in the published Silmarillion. Some revisions were made to this text around 1970, in what turned out to be some of Tolkien’s last work on the Legendarium. Christopher Tolkien made a few changes to the text for its inclusion as chapter 16 of The Silmarillion, removing certain details of the timing and numbering of days in the flight of Aredhel and Maeglin from Eol, as he felt that these details were out of place in the Quenta Silmarillion. Additional Readings HoMe II – first references to the story found in “The Fall of Gondolin”. HoMe III – the story is mentioned in the abandoned “Lay of the Fall of Gondolin” HoMe IV, V – further references in the Annals, the “Sketch of the Mythology”, and the “Quenta Noldorinwa”. HoMe XI – the “Grey Annals” version and the full narrative; also, “Quendi and Eldar” contains an (apparently) rejected account of Eol’s origins. |
09-02-2007, 02:01 PM | #2 |
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I will re-read this chapter tonight, to be able to participate more fully in the discussion. But one question I was pondering - did Tolkien originally intend Eol to be of the Moriquendi, rather than of the "high kin of the Teleri"? And if so, would that have worked better?
I would also deplore the prolonged absence of Anguirel at this time...how he would have enjoyed a good discussion of Maeglin and co...
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09-04-2007, 01:39 PM | #3 |
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Well, here I am, talking to myself...
I have always thought the relationship between Aredhel and Eol rather odd. They have something in common...Eol left Doriath because he disliked the whole Girdle concept, Aredhel chafed under the constrictions of Turgon's hidden city... And I don't much like the sound of "wholly unwilling" and "nor...that her life was hateful..." damning with faint praise, really...also, she named her son in secret, while Maeglin gave him no name at all until he was 12. So what did daddy call him before that? Did he talk to him at all? That's a cheery household for a little elf-boy to grow up in, to be sure...and then to see his father kill his mother before his eyes, albeit inadvertently. Or perhaps not so inadvertent really...after all, he kept quiet about the dart being poisoned, until it was too late...
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Please don't apologize for double-posting - it's good to see interest in these discussions!
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09-07-2007, 10:35 AM | #5 |
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Tolkien went back and forth as to whether there were any Avari in Beleriand (btw, 'Moriquendi' refers to *all* Elves who never crossed the Sea, so it applies to Sindar and Nandor as well. Tolkien later conceded that the Noldor didn't use the term in polite conversation).
In the Lost Tales notebook Eol is "of the Mole-kin of the Gnomes [Noldoli, Noldor]," and in the Fall of Gondolin Meglin is described similarly. Isfin [Aredhel] and her kidnapping/marriage first entered in the fragmentary Lay of Gondolin (ca. 1921), where it is said of Eol "the Dark Elves were his kindred who wander without home." However, the distinction between what would later be Avari and Sindar was very fuzzy at this stage: in the Tale of Tinuviel, written not long before, "many a wild and woodland clan rallied beneath King Tinwelint [Thingol]. Of these the most were Ilkorindi - which is to say Eldar that had never beheld Valinor or the Two Trees or dwelt in Kor [Tirion] - and eerie they were and strange beings, knowing little of light or loveliness or of musics....." In the Tale of The Coming of the Elves, written after Tinuviel, Tinwe Linto, beguiled by "the fay Wendelin," alone remains behind while all of the Solosimpi [Teleri] embark on the island, and the implication is that his people are the many Elves who were lost in "those old forests" of "Hisilome the land of shade:" and "the Lost Elves did [Men] name the Shadow Folk and feared them" (in this version there are no Elves who refuse to embark on the Great Journey, the later definition of Avari). The confusion isn't helped by the fact that in the Lay of Gondolin Isfin's capture occurs in "Doriath"- but it's unclear whether that name applied at the time to Tinwelint/Thingol's realm, in the Lost Tales called "Artanor." In the Later Annals of Beleriand (mid-30's), Eol is simply called "Dark-elf," which doesn't clarify matters. And in the original Quenta Silmarillion (1937), he's oddly not mentioned at all! (Tolkien never reached the Fall of Gondolin in that work).
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Strange thing that Aredhel "accepted" Eol at all, considering her pride and stubbornness. The weird thing is that sometimes you wish that another person would be gone forever, but when he leaves, it doesn't feel right. The same thing happens vice versa. I wouldn't go as far as saying that Aredhel actually missed Eol when he went on his journeys (she was probably relieved to see him go), but she didn't mind his presence that much anymore. She asked Turgon to spare his life, when she had the chance to be rid of him once and for all without any work on her own account. However, that could just be an act of pity to someone who is on a lower level, or in a bad situation, or simply someone pathetic - and not affection or feeling of duty to her husband. Quote:
Interesting how Maeglin seems to inherit the worst qualities from his parents. He got Aredhel's willfulness, rashfulness, and stubborness, but not her tiny drop of pity and tolerance. She also knew something about the concept of honour - which Maeglin didn't really percieve.
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Straying a bit...
Think how many troubles and woes could have been averted if Thingol would just unclench from time to time. Like for instance, if he would've allowed Aredhel to pass through his realm. This is one time when he could've made an exception from the law he himself set and allowed her to pass, escorted. I don't suppose he feared her as such, did he? And she *was Fingon's sister. The character of Thingol does bug me, on the whole. I know he's supposed to be a good guy but there's just so much of him that I dislike.
Well, I guess he had it coming in the end, though. As Gildor says to Frodo some ages later: 'The wide world is all about you. You can fence yourself in but you cannot forever fence it out.' I have a mind to say more on this matter but I'd stray from the topic of discussing this chapter. Maybe I'll make a thread of this, after I put my thoughts more or less in order.
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02-22-2011, 10:01 PM | #9 |
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Aredhel must have really had some feelings for Eol. When he said not do look at light, or to stay at home, she listened, when she didn't even listen to her brother! I think it's wrong to say that Eol had influence over her; rather, she allowed him to have that influence. Considering how willful and determined Aredhel is, if she really wanted, she could have gotten her way with Eol.
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Just about everyone "I" talk with seems to ridicule and loathe the name "Eol". Putting aside the fact that his son pretty much brought about the fall of Gondolin, I personally find Eol to be a vigorous and sublime character. Sure he was a bit introverted and haughty, but who doesn't have there flaws? This is a kinsman of Thingol. Has a falling out with Thingol, doesn't really like the structured enviornment, moves to Nan-Elmoth. Ooh, he's so "evil". At least he doesn't hide behind his wife's magic girdle all day.
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04-22-2011, 06:22 AM | #11 |
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Hi brad, just seeing the screen name you've chosen I was sure for a moment you had to be another spambot (for your information, the last one to plague these Downs just a few hours ago called itself 'angelajolie', so it would have been a hilarious coincidence).
Glad to see you're real, and your post certainly has a point; I tend to find the more ambiguous characters in the Silmarillion, like Eöl or Mîm, the most interesting ones myself (and nice jibe against Thingol by the way!). Welcome to the Downs, and enjoy being dead!
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