Verbal Reasoning! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

LePetitChoux · 01-26-2004, 02:04 PM

This is something that is on most British schools' entrance exams, and I thought it would be interesting to give it a nice Tolkien Twist.
The idea is very simple - you relate two words to one another, and then give the beginning of a second pair, so that the intended audience may complete it.

A really easy one would be:
Dog is to Puppy as
Cat is to ____________________

Now we all know the answer would be "Kitten" (don't we?), but the Tolkien version could perhaps be more difficult, as most characters and things and places have more than one relationship...if you know what I mean. (The above would be more difficult if Dog was also an anagram of puppy, the place where the puppy was born, etc.)

If I didn't just waffle on and write complete nonsense, and you actually understood what I mean, then have a go at this niiice and easy one:
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Arwen is to Elrond as
Éowyn is to ___________
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You must explain why you filled in the blank in the way you did. We can't go arund guessing now, can we?
Also, if there are any more VR-style questions, you can post those up as well, provided you explain how they work.

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Hama Of The Riddermark · 01-26-2004, 02:10 PM

Theoden...

Because he is her (adopted) father...

Elrond is Arwen's real father...

Is the link close enough?

Firefoot · 01-26-2004, 02:37 PM

Eomund because he is Eowyn's father. Elrond is Arwen's father.

Arestevana · 01-26-2004, 02:38 PM

I will guess Eomund: Arwen is Elrond's daughter, Eowyn is the daughter of Eomund.

Ah... Crossposts. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 3:39 PM January 26, 2004: Message edited by: Arestevana ]

LePetitChoux · 01-27-2004, 01:36 PM

I was in fact thinking of Eomund.

So Firefoot gets it.

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Firefoot · 01-27-2004, 03:15 PM

Thanks, LePetitChoux!

Okay, here's mine:
Gandalf is to Shadowfax as
Aragorn is to ____________

Arestevana · 01-27-2004, 04:54 PM

My answer is Hasufel.

Shadowfax was a horse given to Gandalf, and Hasufel was a horse given to Aragorn.

Firefoot · 01-27-2004, 04:58 PM

Not quite...

Happy 100th post to me!!

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 5:59 PM January 27, 2004: Message edited by: Firefoot ]

Gil-Galad · 01-27-2004, 06:07 PM

well shadowfax has been gandalfs greatest friend, so i would say either Legolas or Gimli

Firefoot · 01-27-2004, 06:23 PM

No.

Finwe · 01-27-2004, 07:43 PM

Roheryn, because Gandalf rides Shadowfax, and Aragorn rides Roheryn.

Firefoot · 01-27-2004, 08:19 PM

Yes! Finwe has it.

Arwen_Evenstar · 01-28-2004, 03:52 AM

Oooh, interesting thread...sounds like fun! C'mon, post!
~nat~

Finwe · 01-28-2004, 07:33 PM

Alright...

Fram is to Scatha

as

Theoden is to...

Nilpaurion Felagund · 01-28-2004, 07:39 PM

The Haradrim leader? Because Fram slew Scatha, and Théoden slew the Haradrim cavalry commander? [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

Firefoot · 01-28-2004, 08:12 PM

The Fell Beast? My reason is the same as Nilpaurion's.

Eorl of Rohan · 01-28-2004, 10:55 PM

My guess is snowmane, Theoden's horse.

Snowmane was Theoden's bane after all.

Finwe · 01-29-2004, 11:24 AM

Nilpaurion has it. It is the leader of the Haradrim cavalry.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 01-29-2004, 09:18 PM

Frodo is to Finrod

as

_____ is to Théoden.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 10:21 PM January 29, 2004: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-30-2004, 03:28 AM

Eowyn?

Frodo brought about the destruction of Sauron, who killed Finrod.

Eowyn brought about the destruction of Theoden's killer, the Witch King.

NightKnight · 02-08-2004, 10:16 AM

Nilpaurion? *Pokes*

**The Saucepan Man** · 02-18-2004, 12:06 PM

*Pokes Nilpaurion again*

Nilpaurion - you there?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-19-2004, 12:19 AM

NightKnight: Nilpaurion? *Pokes*

Nilpaurion: Zzzzz...

The Saucepan Man: *Pokes Nilpaurion again* Nilpaurion - you there?

Nilpauiron: Huh? Oh, sorry. The Saucepan Man is correct.

**The Saucepan Man** · 02-19-2004, 06:19 AM

Nilpaurion, please clear your PM box.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 02-19-2004, 08:41 PM

You and your bloody silliness! You'll get us both killed!

Hey, I said I'm sorry.

**The Saucepan Man** · 02-21-2004, 05:55 AM

OK, a different kind of verbal reasoning question.

Give the next two names in this sequence:

Thorin, Aragorn, Ori, Boromir, Oin, Frodo, Nori, Gandalf, Kili, …

Evisse the Blue · 02-21-2004, 06:06 AM

Cool one!
Here's my attempt:
Thorin, Aragorn, Ori, Boromir, Oin, Frodo, Nori, Gandalf, Kili, Gimli (alphabetically, next from the Fellowship - Thorin & co are in reverse alphabetical-)

NightKnight · 02-21-2004, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Give the next two names in this sequence:

So you will also need a Gloin.

Evisse the Blue · 02-21-2004, 10:31 AM

Quote:

So you will also need a Gloin.

You're right. Serves me right for not paying attention.

Samwise · 02-21-2004, 06:44 PM

WOW. Definitely confusing, that one.

**The Saucepan Man** · 02-21-2004, 09:42 PM

Well, since Evisse solved the key to the puzzle, but NightKnight provided the full answer, I suppose either of you can go next. Depends who gets back here first ...

NightKnight · 02-22-2004, 06:52 AM

And that would be me.

An easy one:
Hador is to Turin as
Turgon the Steward is to ______

Miriel · 02-22-2004, 11:48 AM

Really confused myself by examining the wrong Túrin and Hador ... but I think this should be Túrin II, Turgon's father?

Firefoot · 02-22-2004, 12:07 PM

I think it could be either Boromir or Faramir.

NightKnight · 02-22-2004, 01:22 PM

Quote:

You must explain why you filled in the blank in the way you did. We can't go arund guessing now, can we?

symestreem · 02-24-2004, 11:14 AM

NightKnight, there were two Hadors and three Turins, so could you elaborate a bit? It could be either Boromir or Faramir, or Turin II. Both answers have been given before. Actually, it could also be Barahir's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild, but somehow I don't think that's the answer you're looking for.

Firefoot · 02-24-2004, 07:31 PM

I would say Boromir or Faramir because Hador is Turin's great-grandfather and Turgon the Steward is Boromir's/Faramir's great grandfather.

NightKnight · 02-25-2004, 03:28 AM

Firefoot is correct.

Firefoot · 02-25-2004, 06:21 AM

River Sirion is to Doriath
as The Forest River is to _________

Thorongil · 02-25-2004, 06:43 AM

Probably Mirkwood. Sirion runs through Doriath and The Forest River runs through Mirkwood.

01-26-2004, 02:04 PM	#1
LePetitChoux Vegetable of Doom Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 720	Verbal Reasoning! This is something that is on most British schools' entrance exams, and I thought it would be interesting to give it a nice Tolkien Twist. The idea is very simple - you relate two words to one another, and then give the beginning of a second pair, so that the intended audience may complete it. A really easy one would be: Dog is to Puppy as Cat is to ____________________ Now we all know the answer would be "Kitten" (don't we?), but the Tolkien version could perhaps be more difficult, as most characters and things and places have more than one relationship...if you know what I mean. (The above would be more difficult if Dog was also an anagram of puppy, the place where the puppy was born, etc.) If I didn't just waffle on and write complete nonsense, and you actually understood what I mean, then have a go at this niiice and easy one: ------------------------------------ Arwen is to Elrond as Éowyn is to ___________ ------------------------------------ You must explain why you filled in the blank in the way you did. We can't go arund guessing now, can we? Also, if there are any more VR-style questions, you can post those up as well, provided you explain how they work. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ je suis une bonne odeur

01-27-2004, 01:36 PM	#5
LePetitChoux Vegetable of Doom Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 720	I was in fact thinking of Eomund. So Firefoot gets it. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ je suis une bonne odeur

01-27-2004, 06:07 PM	#9
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	well shadowfax has been gandalfs greatest friend, so i would say either Legolas or Gimli __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-27-2004, 07:43 PM	#11
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Roheryn, because Gandalf rides Shadowfax, and Aragorn rides Roheryn. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

01-28-2004, 03:52 AM	#13
Arwen_Evenstar Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 206	Oooh, interesting thread...sounds like fun! C'mon, post! ~nat~ __________________ 'I am Agarwaen, Son of Úmarth...'-Túrin Turambar. Arwen_Evenstar

01-26-2004, 02:10 PM	#2
Hama Of The Riddermark Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 282	Theoden... Because he is her (adopted) father... Elrond is Arwen's real father... Is the link close enough?

01-26-2004, 02:37 PM	#3
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Eomund because he is Eowyn's father. Elrond is Arwen's father.

01-26-2004, 02:38 PM	#4
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	I will guess Eomund: Arwen is Elrond's daughter, Eowyn is the daughter of Eomund. Ah... Crossposts. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] <font size=1 color=339966>[ 3:39 PM January 26, 2004: Message edited by: Arestevana ]

01-27-2004, 03:15 PM	#6
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Thanks, LePetitChoux! Okay, here's mine: Gandalf is to Shadowfax as Aragorn is to ____________

01-27-2004, 04:54 PM	#7
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	My answer is Hasufel. Shadowfax was a horse given to Gandalf, and Hasufel was a horse given to Aragorn.

01-27-2004, 04:58 PM	#8
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Not quite... Happy 100th post to me!! <font size=1 color=339966>[ 5:59 PM January 27, 2004: Message edited by: Firefoot ]

01-27-2004, 06:23 PM	#10
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	No.

01-27-2004, 08:19 PM	#12
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Yes! Finwe has it.

01-28-2004, 07:33 PM	#14
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Alright... Fram is to Scatha as Theoden is to... __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

01-28-2004, 07:39 PM	#15
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	The Haradrim leader? Because Fram slew Scatha, and Théoden slew the Haradrim cavalry commander? [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

01-28-2004, 08:12 PM	#16
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	The Fell Beast? My reason is the same as Nilpaurion's.

01-28-2004, 10:55 PM	#17
Eorl of Rohan Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 602	My guess is snowmane, Theoden's horse. Snowmane was Theoden's bane after all. __________________ There is no signature here.

01-29-2004, 11:24 AM	#18
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Nilpaurion has it. It is the leader of the Haradrim cavalry. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

01-29-2004, 09:18 PM	#19
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Frodo is to Finrod as _____ is to Théoden. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 10:21 PM January 29, 2004: Message edited by: Nilpaurion Felagund ] __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

01-30-2004, 03:28 AM	#20
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Eowyn? Frodo brought about the destruction of Sauron, who killed Finrod. Eowyn brought about the destruction of Theoden's killer, the Witch King. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

02-08-2004, 10:16 AM	#21
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Nilpaurion? Pokes __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

02-18-2004, 12:06 PM	#22
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Pokes Nilpaurion again Nilpaurion - you there? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

02-19-2004, 12:19 AM	#23
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	NightKnight: Nilpaurion? Pokes Nilpaurion: Zzzzz... The Saucepan Man: Pokes Nilpaurion again Nilpaurion - you there? Nilpauiron: Huh? Oh, sorry. The Saucepan Man is correct. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good... Last edited by The Saucepan Man; 02-19-2004 at 06:10 AM.

02-19-2004, 06:19 AM	#24
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Nilpaurion, please clear your PM box. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

02-19-2004, 08:41 PM	#25
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Sorry. You and your bloody silliness! You'll get us both killed! Hey, I said I'm sorry. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

02-21-2004, 05:55 AM	#26
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	OK, a different kind of verbal reasoning question. Give the next two names in this sequence: Thorin, Aragorn, Ori, Boromir, Oin, Frodo, Nori, Gandalf, Kili, … __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

02-21-2004, 06:06 AM	#27
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Cool one! Here's my attempt: Thorin, Aragorn, Ori, Boromir, Oin, Frodo, Nori, Gandalf, Kili, Gimli (alphabetically, next from the Fellowship - Thorin & co are in reverse alphabetical-) __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

02-21-2004, 06:44 PM	#30
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	WOW. Definitely confusing, that one. __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

02-21-2004, 09:42 PM	#31
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Hmm ... Evisse or NightKnight? Well, since Evisse solved the key to the puzzle, but NightKnight provided the full answer, I suppose either of you can go next. Depends who gets back here first ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

02-22-2004, 06:52 AM	#32
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	And that would be me. An easy one: Hador is to Turin as Turgon the Steward is to ______ __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

02-22-2004, 11:48 AM	#33
Miriel Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 118	Really confused myself by examining the wrong Túrin and Hador ... but I think this should be Túrin II, Turgon's father? __________________ "The weight of this sad time we must obey, Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say." (Act V, Scene III - King Lear)

02-22-2004, 12:07 PM	#34
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I think it could be either Boromir or Faramir.

02-24-2004, 11:14 AM	#36
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	NightKnight, there were two Hadors and three Turins, so could you elaborate a bit? It could be either Boromir or Faramir, or Turin II. Both answers have been given before. Actually, it could also be Barahir's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild, but somehow I don't think that's the answer you're looking for.

02-24-2004, 07:31 PM	#37
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I would say Boromir or Faramir because Hador is Turin's great-grandfather and Turgon the Steward is Boromir's/Faramir's great grandfather.

02-25-2004, 03:28 AM	#38
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Firefoot is correct. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.