Cryptic Clues - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

LePetitChoux · 07-10-2003, 05:14 AM

Basically, here you conceal the person/thing/place/word/quote etc. (in short, anything Tolkien-related) in a cryptic clue. This is the same principle as the cryptic clues found in crosswords.

I'll start (this won't be great, though):

Sounds to me like a dwarf letting off light!

It's not brilliant, but I hope it makes sense...

[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[ July 10, 2003: Message edited by: LePetitChoux ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-10-2003, 06:25 PM

Ah, a game for crossword addicts. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] How can I resist, as most of my attempted riddles end up as cryptic clues. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Is the answer Gloin? A Dwarf, whose name sounds like "glowing", ie giving off light.

LePetitChoux · 07-11-2003, 12:55 AM

Well done (as usual)! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-11-2003, 08:39 PM

Thank you, my green-leaved friend. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Friend and worker go to one river for visual aid

LePetitChoux · 07-13-2003, 04:41 AM

So this is what frustration feels like! I have been staring at that, glaring at it, gripping the side of my computer desk until my knuckles turned white, kicking things.....

And there I was, thinking I could just about recognise and therefore solve the different types of cryptic crossword clue...(I went to Cryptic Crossword Club for one or two terms, hehe) [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

I shall continue striving onwards to achieve enlightenment solution-wise...Or give up trying! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

P.S.This is just a gentle bump for
a)the Clamouring Quizmaster to have mercy on my suffering and out of the goodness of his heart give me a hint (wink wink nudge nudge say no more, say no more [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] )
b)the other crossword lovers here to come and try their luck [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

P.P.S. Wow..I've never used that many smilies before...

Gil-Galad · 07-13-2003, 09:51 AM

is it something about the lady of the Old Forest river?

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-14-2003, 07:39 AM

No, I am afraid that's not it.

I am concerned that, for those who are not familiar with cryptic clues of the type intended on this thread, further explanation may be required.

A cryptic clue is one which contains both a straight clue to the answer and a clue which uses wordplay to portray the answer. So, in LePetit's first question, where the answer was Gloin, the straight clue was "Dwarf" and the cryptic clue was "Sounds like letting off light".

The crytic clue will often involve a number of sub-clues making up diferent parts of the word.

Cryptic clues generally follow a number of conventions. Although this is not a comprehensive list, some common ones are:

Synonyms - the clue might include a synonym for a word that makes up part of the answer - for example "big cat ..." for "-lion" in "Ecthelion".
Anagrams - the answer or part of it might be an anagram of the clue, with a word such as "confused" or "muddled" to indicate that it is an anagram, eg "a gal is confused ..." for "gala-" in "galadriel".
Backwards words - a synonym for the word written backwards, accompanied by words to indicate that the clue is to be reversed, eg "Steal back ..." for "Bor-" in "Boromir" (rob backwards).
"Sounds like" - as in LePetit's example, the clue will be accompanied by words indicating that it sounds like the answer (or part of it), such as "It is said ...".
Words in words - the answer, or part of it, is to be found in one or more words in the clue, again with words to signify this, for example "Hobbit found in Gerbil Box" for "Bilbo".
First or last letters - the first or last letter of the clue is to be taken, depending on the words used, eg "first of May ..." for the letter "M" or last in line for the letter "E".
There are also a number of other common clues used for single letters, such as "point" or something similar for one of the compass points (N, S, E or W), and "note" or the like for a musical note (A, B, C, D, E, F or G).
Similarly, "article" is often used to signify "a", "an" or "the"; "one" is used for "I" or "A"; "zero" or "nothing" is used for "O", and so on. The answer to the sub-clue might also be its abbreviation, as in "right" and "left" for "R" and "L"; "lake" for "L"; "river" for "R"; "street" and "road" for "ST" and "RD" etc.

The clue may also include words to indicate the order in which the sub-clues are to be put together, The "backwards synonym" clue above is an example. Also words such as "surrounds" or "inside" may indicate that one clue surrounds or is inside the other, such as "Hobbit is left inside apron, leading to nothing" for "Bilbo" (l inside bib plus o). Words may also be used to indicate that a letter is missing, for example "purpose loses nothing", again for "gala-" in "Galadriel" (goal losing o).

I hope that this helps to make things clearer. If not, please feel free to PM me. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 07-14-2003, 07:52 AM

Actually Saucepan's being quite kind, and if you've ever tried the Times crossword you'll know what I mean. The answer to that last one is Palantír, and it works like this:

Friend = pal
Worker = ant
One = Roman numeral 'I'
River = abbreviated to 'r'

The clue for the whole being 'visual aid'. Cunning.

[ July 14, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-14-2003, 08:08 AM

Thanks, Squatter. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Palantir it is, and for the reasons stated, so you're up next ...

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 07-14-2003, 08:26 AM

These are much harder to invent than they are to solve! Try this one on for size:

Spinner returns trunk after call for silence

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 07-14-2003, 08:11 PM

I have found it!

Sh= a call for silence

elob= bole, a synonym for "trunk", reversed.

Shelob, a great spinner indeed.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 07-15-2003, 03:27 AM

Right you are, Sophia. Your turn.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 07-15-2003, 11:12 PM

Ach, Squatter, right you were about how hard it is to invent these. Next to impossible to reduce it to one line. Hope it's decipherable.

Initially, Kate had air and dreams, but right in the middle it sounds like they let her see her fate following underground.

[ July 16, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 07-16-2003, 03:41 AM

Khazad-dûm, O esteemed thunderer.

The first letters of Kate had air and dreams, with a letter that sounds like 'see' (z - pronounced 'zee' by Americans), placed in the middle: Khazad

Then Dûm sounds like 'doom', which is fate.

The whole being underground.

[ July 16, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ]

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 07-16-2003, 10:25 AM

Splendid, Squatter, do carry on. And I learn something new about the alphabet, something I thought I had finally mastered. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

[ July 16, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 07-16-2003, 01:03 PM

With pleasure. I hope you other Britons were watching, because I shan't explain why 'see' sounds like 'zed' again.

Unleavened sundry pursued by the Spanish insect in old forest

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-16-2003, 04:40 PM

Nan Elmoth, I do believe

"Unleavened sundry" - Nan bread, an unleavened accompaniment for sundry curries [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
"pursued by the Spanish" - El is Spanish for "the"
"insect" - moth

"in old forest" - Nan Elmoth, meaning Star Dusk Valley, was a forest in Beleriand.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 07-17-2003, 04:16 AM

Spot on, Sir. Pray continue.

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-17-2003, 12:24 PM

If you insist, old chap. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Black rider misses river after upsetting Frodo in northern territory.

Annunfuiniel · 07-17-2003, 12:41 PM

Forodwaith - the Northern waste.

Black rider misses river - Wraith minus R = -waith

after upsetting Frodo - "upset" Frodo gives Forod-

in the northern territory = Forodwaith

Any good?

[img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]Annun

[ July 17, 2003: Message edited by: Annunfuiniel ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-17-2003, 12:51 PM

Perfect, Annun. Good to see you back. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Annunfuiniel · 07-17-2003, 01:12 PM

Thank you, dear Man; it's good to be back (though I was just in the neighborhood...)! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Ok,

Short foreign lord with a stern face meets you in the middle, in arms.

~Annun

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 07-28-2003, 06:03 AM

You seem to have defeated all of us with that one, Annunfuiniel. Could we perhaps have a clue?

Annunfuiniel · 07-28-2003, 07:52 AM

Yup, seems I have killed this thread... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Well, if you can't solve this one, don't worry; most likely the fault's not in you but in the clue itself!

As for hints: in arms alludes somewhat straight to the answer I'm looking for AND - warning! - to solve this clue you need to use that horrid, unnatural, distorted language that made even the ever-so-manly Earnur Etceteron's pants shake!

Hope that helps! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

~Annun

Keeper of Dol Guldur · 07-28-2003, 07:50 PM

Is it Merry Brandybuck? It was after all the Witch-King who made Earnur panic, and Merry was a short 'foreign lord' in that he was the son of the Master of Brandy Hall. But actually the 'in arms' part makes me wonder.

Annunfuiniel · 07-28-2003, 08:47 PM

Not the answer I had in mind, sorry.

~Annun

Turambar · 07-29-2003, 01:40 PM

Is the horrid, etc. language the Black Speech? [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

[ July 29, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

Annunfuiniel · 07-29-2003, 01:45 PM

As Black as it can get! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

(Hope you all are familiar with the Revenge of the Entish Bow -RPG...)

~Annun

Turambar · 07-29-2003, 01:50 PM

Is it solvable if you aren't familiar with the Revenge ?

I love the idea of this game. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Annunfuiniel · 07-29-2003, 01:55 PM

It should be; I honestly hope it is...

Ok, that last clue hints to only one letter, in the middle.

~Annun

Btw. Turambar: nice to see you again; I deem it's been a while.

Turambar · 07-29-2003, 02:04 PM

Nice to see you too !

OK -- thinking out loud, in the hope that this will guilt you into steering me in the right direction . . .

"you in the middle" suggests that there's a "U" in the middle of . . . what? Of "meets", or a synonym or anagram of "meets", or of "in arms", ditto. Hmmm.

The first part of the puzzle is of the synonym type, I'd guess. "Short foreign lord" = ???? Napoleon? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

"A stern" suggests "astern", meaning in the back, so "face" (or a synonym or anagram) goes in the back of . . .

I'VE GOT IT ! It's Nap-u-phiz, Black Speech for corn muffin. My turn?

[ July 29, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

Annunfuiniel · 07-29-2003, 02:15 PM

Quote:

"you in the middle" suggests that there's a "U" in the middle

Correctomundo!

Quote:

"Short foreign lord" = ???? Napoleon?

[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Quote:

I'VE GOT IT ! It's Nap-u-phiz, Black Speech for corn muffin. My turn?

Er... Keep on trying, dear! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

~Annun

Turambar · 07-29-2003, 02:50 PM

I'll ponder it some more but nothing is coming to me. Anyone else have any ideas?

Cinderella · 07-29-2003, 03:09 PM

I'm with Turambar on the corn muffin... no seriously I have no clue, I've been looking at this for twenty minutes and i think I'm actully understanding it less as time passes [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Turambar · 07-29-2003, 03:23 PM

Herugrim

Beren87 · 07-29-2003, 04:07 PM

Or, perhaps, Naugrim?

Na-being the Napolean
U-already explained
Grim-stern face

Turambar · 07-29-2003, 04:30 PM

Annunfuiniel [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]'d at the Napoleon guess, which I took to mean "incorrect".

Hmmm - one meeaning of G. Herr is "lord", so "Her-" would be a foreign lord, short one letter. "-grim" would be stern, and they meet in the middle at "-u-".

And "in arms" is the straight clue, as Annun said. Herugrim was Theoden's sword.

[ July 29, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

Annunfuiniel · 07-29-2003, 08:39 PM

*Wild applause and three cheers*

Turambar, perfect reasoning! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] The ungrateful task of creating a new clue is yours now...

~Annun

Beren87 · 07-29-2003, 08:51 PM

Mine rhymed with the right answer.. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

I'll just be going now..

Turambar · 07-30-2003, 05:50 AM

Crafty actor goes back to earth tones.

07-10-2003, 05:14 AM	#1
LePetitChoux Vegetable of Doom Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 720	Cryptic Clues Basically, here you conceal the person/thing/place/word/quote etc. (in short, anything Tolkien-related) in a cryptic clue. This is the same principle as the cryptic clues found in crosswords. I'll start (this won't be great, though): Sounds to me like a dwarf letting off light! It's not brilliant, but I hope it makes sense... [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [ July 10, 2003: Message edited by: LePetitChoux ] __________________ je suis une bonne odeur

07-10-2003, 06:25 PM	#2
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Ah, a game for crossword addicts. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] How can I resist, as most of my attempted riddles end up as cryptic clues. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Is the answer Gloin? A Dwarf, whose name sounds like "glowing", ie giving off light. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-11-2003, 12:55 AM	#3
LePetitChoux Vegetable of Doom Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 720	Well done (as usual)! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ je suis une bonne odeur

07-11-2003, 08:39 PM	#4
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Thank you, my green-leaved friend. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Friend and worker go to one river for visual aid __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-13-2003, 04:41 AM	#5
LePetitChoux Vegetable of Doom Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London Posts: 720	So this is what frustration feels like! I have been staring at that, glaring at it, gripping the side of my computer desk until my knuckles turned white, kicking things..... And there I was, thinking I could just about recognise and therefore solve the different types of cryptic crossword clue...(I went to Cryptic Crossword Club for one or two terms, hehe) [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] I shall continue striving onwards to achieve enlightenment solution-wise...Or give up trying! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] P.S.This is just a gentle bump for a)the Clamouring Quizmaster to have mercy on my suffering and out of the goodness of his heart give me a hint (wink wink nudge nudge say no more, say no more [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ) b)the other crossword lovers here to come and try their luck [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] P.P.S. Wow..I've never used that many smilies before... __________________ je suis une bonne odeur

07-13-2003, 09:51 AM	#6
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	is it something about the lady of the Old Forest river? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

07-14-2003, 07:39 AM	#7
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	No, I am afraid that's not it. I am concerned that, for those who are not familiar with cryptic clues of the type intended on this thread, further explanation may be required. A cryptic clue is one which contains both a straight clue to the answer and a clue which uses wordplay to portray the answer. So, in LePetit's first question, where the answer was Gloin, the straight clue was "Dwarf" and the cryptic clue was "Sounds like letting off light". The crytic clue will often involve a number of sub-clues making up diferent parts of the word. Cryptic clues generally follow a number of conventions. Although this is not a comprehensive list, some common ones are: Synonyms - the clue might include a synonym for a word that makes up part of the answer - for example "big cat ..." for "-lion" in "Ecthelion". Anagrams - the answer or part of it might be an anagram of the clue, with a word such as "confused" or "muddled" to indicate that it is an anagram, eg "a gal is confused ..." for "gala-" in "galadriel". Backwards words - a synonym for the word written backwards, accompanied by words to indicate that the clue is to be reversed, eg "Steal back ..." for "Bor-" in "Boromir" (rob backwards). "Sounds like" - as in LePetit's example, the clue will be accompanied by words indicating that it sounds like the answer (or part of it), such as "It is said ...". Words in words - the answer, or part of it, is to be found in one or more words in the clue, again with words to signify this, for example "Hobbit found in Gerbil Box" for "Bilbo". First or last letters - the first or last letter of the clue is to be taken, depending on the words used, eg "first of May ..." for the letter "M" or last in line for the letter "E". There are also a number of other common clues used for single letters, such as "point" or something similar for one of the compass points (N, S, E or W), and "note" or the like for a musical note (A, B, C, D, E, F or G). Similarly, "article" is often used to signify "a", "an" or "the"; "one" is used for "I" or "A"; "zero" or "nothing" is used for "O", and so on. The answer to the sub-clue might also be its abbreviation, as in "right" and "left" for "R" and "L"; "lake" for "L"; "river" for "R"; "street" and "road" for "ST" and "RD" etc. The clue may also include words to indicate the order in which the sub-clues are to be put together, The "backwards synonym" clue above is an example. Also words such as "surrounds" or "inside" may indicate that one clue surrounds or is inside the other, such as "Hobbit is left inside apron, leading to nothing" for "Bilbo" (l inside bib plus o). Words may also be used to indicate that a letter is missing, for example "purpose loses nothing", again for "gala-" in "Galadriel" (goal losing o). I hope that this helps to make things clearer. If not, please feel free to PM me. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-14-2003, 07:52 AM	#8
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Actually Saucepan's being quite kind, and if you've ever tried the Times crossword you'll know what I mean. The answer to that last one is Palantír, and it works like this: Friend = pal Worker = ant One = Roman numeral 'I' River = abbreviated to 'r' The clue for the whole being 'visual aid'. Cunning. [ July 14, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ] __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

07-14-2003, 08:08 AM	#9
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Thanks, Squatter. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Palantir it is, and for the reasons stated, so you're up next ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-14-2003, 08:26 AM	#10
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	These are much harder to invent than they are to solve! Try this one on for size: Spinner returns trunk after call for silence __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

07-14-2003, 08:11 PM	#11
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	I have found it! Sh= a call for silence elob= bole, a synonym for "trunk", reversed. Shelob, a great spinner indeed. __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

07-15-2003, 03:27 AM	#12
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Right you are, Sophia. Your turn. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

07-15-2003, 11:12 PM	#13
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Ach, Squatter, right you were about how hard it is to invent these. Next to impossible to reduce it to one line. Hope it's decipherable. Initially, Kate had air and dreams, but right in the middle it sounds like they let her see her fate following underground. [ July 16, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ] __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

07-16-2003, 03:41 AM	#14
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Khazad-dûm, O esteemed thunderer. The first letters of Kate had air and dreams, with a letter that sounds like 'see' (z - pronounced 'zee' by Americans), placed in the middle: Khazad Then Dûm sounds like 'doom', which is fate. The whole being underground. [ July 16, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ] __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

07-16-2003, 10:25 AM	#15
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Splendid, Squatter, do carry on. And I learn something new about the alphabet, something I thought I had finally mastered. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] [ July 16, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ] __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

07-16-2003, 01:03 PM	#16
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	With pleasure. I hope you other Britons were watching, because I shan't explain why 'see' sounds like 'zed' again. Unleavened sundry pursued by the Spanish insect in old forest __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

07-16-2003, 04:40 PM	#17
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Nan Elmoth, I do believe "Unleavened sundry" - Nan bread, an unleavened accompaniment for sundry curries [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] "pursued by the Spanish" - El is Spanish for "the" "insect" - moth "in old forest" - Nan Elmoth, meaning Star Dusk Valley, was a forest in Beleriand. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-17-2003, 04:16 AM	#18
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Spot on, Sir. Pray continue. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

07-17-2003, 12:24 PM	#19
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	If you insist, old chap. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Black rider misses river after upsetting Frodo in northern territory. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-17-2003, 12:41 PM	#20
Annunfuiniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Something close like Shire Posts: 769	Forodwaith - the Northern waste. Black rider misses river - Wraith minus R = -waith after upsetting Frodo - "upset" Frodo gives Forod- in the northern territory = Forodwaith Any good? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]Annun [ July 17, 2003: Message edited by: Annunfuiniel ] __________________ Despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt.

07-17-2003, 12:51 PM	#21
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Perfect, Annun. Good to see you back. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-17-2003, 01:12 PM	#22
Annunfuiniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Something close like Shire Posts: 769	Thank you, dear Man; it's good to be back (though I was just in the neighborhood...)! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Ok, Short foreign lord with a stern face meets you in the middle, in arms. ~Annun __________________ Despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt.

07-28-2003, 06:03 AM	#23
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	You seem to have defeated all of us with that one, Annunfuiniel. Could we perhaps have a clue? __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

07-28-2003, 07:52 AM	#24
Annunfuiniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Something close like Shire Posts: 769	Yup, seems I have killed this thread... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Well, if you can't solve this one, don't worry; most likely the fault's not in you but in the clue itself! As for hints: in arms alludes somewhat straight to the answer I'm looking for AND - warning! - to solve this clue you need to use that horrid, unnatural, distorted language that made even the ever-so-manly Earnur Etceteron's pants shake! Hope that helps! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] ~Annun __________________ Despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt.

07-28-2003, 07:50 PM	#25
Keeper of Dol Guldur Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 315, CNY Boys and girls. Posts: 405	Is it Merry Brandybuck? It was after all the Witch-King who made Earnur panic, and Merry was a short 'foreign lord' in that he was the son of the Master of Brandy Hall. But actually the 'in arms' part makes me wonder. __________________ "I come from yonder...Have you seen Baggins? Baggins has left, he is coming. He is not far away. I wish to find him. If he passes will you tell me? I will come back with gold." - Khamul the Easterling

07-28-2003, 08:47 PM	#26
Annunfuiniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Something close like Shire Posts: 769	Not the answer I had in mind, sorry. ~Annun __________________ Despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt.

07-29-2003, 01:40 PM	#27
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Is the horrid, etc. language the Black Speech? [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [ July 29, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

07-29-2003, 01:45 PM	#28
Annunfuiniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Something close like Shire Posts: 769	As Black as it can get! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] (Hope you all are familiar with the Revenge of the Entish Bow -RPG...) ~Annun __________________ Despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt.

07-29-2003, 01:50 PM	#29
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Is it solvable if you aren't familiar with the Revenge ? I love the idea of this game. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

07-29-2003, 01:55 PM	#30
Annunfuiniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Something close like Shire Posts: 769	It should be; I honestly hope it is... Ok, that last clue hints to only one letter, in the middle. ~Annun Btw. Turambar: nice to see you again; I deem it's been a while. __________________ Despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt.

07-29-2003, 02:04 PM	#31
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Nice to see you too ! OK -- thinking out loud, in the hope that this will guilt you into steering me in the right direction . . . "you in the middle" suggests that there's a "U" in the middle of . . . what? Of "meets", or a synonym or anagram of "meets", or of "in arms", ditto. Hmmm. The first part of the puzzle is of the synonym type, I'd guess. "Short foreign lord" = ???? Napoleon? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] "A stern" suggests "astern", meaning in the back, so "face" (or a synonym or anagram) goes in the back of . . . I'VE GOT IT ! It's Nap-u-phiz, Black Speech for corn muffin. My turn? [ July 29, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

07-29-2003, 02:50 PM	#33
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	I'll ponder it some more but nothing is coming to me. Anyone else have any ideas? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

07-29-2003, 03:09 PM	#34
Cinderella Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Arda Unmarred, MA Posts: 173	I'm with Turambar on the corn muffin... no seriously I have no clue, I've been looking at this for twenty minutes and i think I'm actully understanding it less as time passes [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ These violent delights have violent ends... "Live fast, die young, and have a beautiful looking corpse." -J. Dean

07-29-2003, 03:23 PM	#35
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Herugrim __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

07-29-2003, 04:07 PM	#36
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Or, perhaps, Naugrim? Na-being the Napolean U-already explained Grim-stern face