Who is your favorite bad guy in the Lord of the Rings? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Vráin Redmallet · 05-18-2002, 07:48 PM

I personally feel that the toughest guy in the series is Morgoth. He created things so evil, not even Sauron dared disturb them. The only one that Sauron conversed with was Shelob the Spider. Who do you prefer? [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

ElanorGamgee · 05-18-2002, 07:54 PM

My favorite bad guy, er, gal from The Lord of the Rings is Lobelia Sackville-Baggins because she wasn't really that evil, turned out ok in the end, and was overall an amusing character. Now, the really evil guys I didn't like much at all, although I did feel sorry for Wormtongue [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

[ May 18, 2002: Message edited by: ElanorGamgee ]

Nufaciel · 05-18-2002, 08:02 PM

Mine was Gollum. We likessss the way he talksssss, oh yessss, my precioussss....

Vráin Redmallet · 05-18-2002, 08:09 PM

Yeah, I forgot about Gollum. He is pretty cool. Hissing isss funses...yesss my preciousss? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Lindolirian · 05-18-2002, 08:09 PM

yes gollum was great but i'd hafta say...

the Silent Watchers.
they are so cool.

greyhavener · 05-19-2002, 07:13 AM

I thought Saruman was the most interesting bad guy. Gandalf turned to him for wisdom and support, but Saruman's desire for power had already corrupted him by the time Gandalf arrived in FOTR to consult with him. I want to find the story of how this transformation took place. Did Sauron deceive Saruman or did Saruman have a character flaw that only surfaced when the opportunity to rival Sauron presented itself? I find it very interesting that even after Sauron's destruction, Saruman went about doing small evil, unwilling to admit defeat or submit to another's leadership. This is a fascinating end for one who was once, at least in other's perceptions, Gandalf's better.

Cimmerian · 05-19-2002, 07:30 AM

Denethor, bad eggs with a touch of Dementia are awesome.

Vráin Redmallet · 05-19-2002, 07:55 AM

Yes, Saruman was a good bad guy. He does have a good play in the story, and the story behind him would be most interesting... [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

Melephelwen · 05-19-2002, 08:00 AM

My favourite isss definately Gollum!

Maybe I remember badly, but I think parts of Sarumans story is mentioned in Silmarillion (under 'Third age and the rings of power', something like that?)

burrahobbit · 05-19-2002, 09:27 AM

Sam.

ElanorGamgee · 05-19-2002, 10:08 AM

Oh, I forgot about Gollum! Yesss, preciousss, we loves him!

VanimaEdhel · 05-19-2002, 04:05 PM

*does a double take* SAM?!?! Okay... not even going to ask...

Well, I'd say the evilest bad guy would have to be Melkor, for all the other evil sprung from him. In the way of my favorite bad guy, I have to say Gollum, because he was the most complex. And there are MANY discussions of that if you don't know what I mean (I'm too lazy to go into details).

Lanniae of the Axe · 05-19-2002, 04:51 PM

Oh, I never really cared for any of the bad guys. I pitied Gollum, but that was IT. Other than pity, I loathe the creature! Saruman was a traitor! All the bad guys were...well...BAD!

But the one bad guy you LOVE to HATE:

Grima Wormtongue!!!!!

The slimiest rat with a serpents tongue that ever whispered in a King's ear.

Lothiriel Silmarien · 05-19-2002, 06:10 PM

Ok, well I would have to say Morgoth because he was the evilest of them all. But other than the obvious, I'd have to say Gollum of course, and Feanor. Well, he wasn't really bad I wouldn't say that, but he actually was in a sense. He started the whole rivalry between the Noldor and the Valar. Oh and Maeglin too. See he wasn't that badd either, BUT he did betray Gondolin to Morgoth. He was held for his life though, so I kinda see both sides. He was both evil and not evil, if you get what I mean. Which I doubt that any of you do because I mighta lost you guys! Hope I'm not confusing you all [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Oh, and let's not forget the Barrow-wights! Those things were pretty scary. And of course, the Nazguls! I sometimes call them the Nazgys.....

burrahobbit · 05-19-2002, 06:43 PM

You see, Sam is not unlike a pet dog. Frodo's pet dog, in this case. A dog may react poorly to any stimulus if it thinks that it's master in in danger, Sam is exactly the same way. Sam saw Gollum as a threat to his master Frodo, and to a point Gollum was a threat. However, I would say that once he had been tamed Gollum presented only a limited threat. Gollum searved the Ring, though he may not have wanted to, and to an extent Frodo controlled the Ring (at least as far as Gollum could see. Because of that I don't think that Gollum would have done anything to hinder Frodo until the very end of the journey at Mount Doom, where Gollum's will would have been broken very quickly and events would have played out much the same way that they did.

But. But because of Sam's doglike nature he couldn't help but treat Gollum rather badly. Gollum was a killer, this can't be denied. Gollum easily gave into temptation, this is a fact. Gollum was not a good person at all. Gollum was not a threat after the Emyn Muil. Sam's derisive attitude towards Gollum was not needed at all. Sam's derisive towards Gollum broke Gollum's mind and will much sonner than it would have otherwise, and thus put both Frodo and Sam into much danger that was not needed (Shelob, etc.). And so, Sam's cruel treatment of Gollum did great harm to the hero, Frodo. I can't blame him, though, he meant well. (I can't help but feel that I have heard that before, he meant well.)

shieldmaiden · 05-19-2002, 07:01 PM

Shelob, Gollum and Denethor, I simply adore his madness and looking forward to seeing him in the movie.

Gimli Son Of Gloin · 05-19-2002, 11:35 PM

I would say my favorite was Gollum, he was just cool.

P.S.

Quote:

Who do you prefer?

The correct form would be "Whom do you prefer? (Hope I don't sound sound snobby or anything, Vráin. I just can't stand errors like that, I guess I'm just a freak)

[ May 20, 2002: Message edited by: Gimli Son Of Gloin ]

piosenniel · 05-20-2002, 12:29 AM

If you'll concede it's a character - I'll vote for the One Ring. It was , by nature, thoroughly evil and certainly influenced all the other major characters and moved the plot along by its machinations.

Veritas · 05-20-2002, 12:45 AM

Yes, the baddest (Ihope I wrote that right?) thing is het One Ring, but the baddest guy? Mmm... I think Morgoth and Sauron. Morgoth 'made' evil and Sauron made the One Ring.

piosenniel · 05-20-2002, 12:52 AM

You are up early, veritas! & i am up late!
welcome to the downs!!

If we must vote for a bad 'guy' - then I'll take Morgoth - after all, without him there would be no story. Everything would have gone along wonderfully from the beginning of all things. And there would have been no glorious battles to read about or fallen heroes to cry over! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Veritas · 05-20-2002, 01:10 AM

Here in Holland it's now 9.00 so that's not early for me...

piosenniel · 05-20-2002, 01:15 AM

I am working at a very 'slow' computer at the moment and can only bring up one screen at a time so I couldn't access my international times screen. It is just after midnight here on the pacific coast of the U.S.

Are you coming to the birthday party for the Downs? It will be today at 9 a.m. - my only problem is I haven't figured out which 9 a.m. that is! (yes, I am bad with time!)

Veritas · 05-20-2002, 01:30 AM

The only thing I know is that when it's in continental Europe 3.00 pm, in New York it's 9.00 am.
But how far away that's from the Pacific coast. I think a hour or 3 or something? In time, I mean.

Veritas · 05-20-2002, 01:36 AM

Sorry, why do you have that stupid system with pm and am!!! Europe 15.00 NY 9.00

piosenniel · 05-20-2002, 01:37 AM

When it's 9 a.m. in New York, it's 6 a.m. on the pacific coast.

Is there a 1 hour difference between your time and Great Britain?

Veritas · 05-20-2002, 04:16 AM

Yes, continental Europe has + 1 hour difference with GMT.

btw, I haven't done a search yet, but how can you import a picture by your name?

piosenniel · 05-20-2002, 10:16 AM

Veritas - We also use the 24 hour clock here; but primarily for military time and also in hospital, where I work. Most of the rest of the U.S. uses the a.m./p.m. mode.

I'll send you a private message about how to put a picture under your name.

Please come down to the role-playing section of the forum in the Freestyle RPG room and join the birthday party for this site.

Grendel · 05-20-2002, 10:29 AM

Gollum is given more lines and more personality than any of the other bad guys in ME. He is interesting because he was on the border line of recovery, despite all the evil he had done. He has a personal history which rouses sympathy and a character so well crafted that he stands out among all the monsters ever created. He is the only bad creature in the LotR with which I empathise and identify.

Legolas · 05-20-2002, 10:39 AM

Vrain - that's rather odd. Morgoth doesn't appear in Lord of the Rings...he's still hanging out in the Void at the time of the quest. In your topic title, did you mean Middle-earth in general?

Anyway, my favourite evil character is Saruman. Wizards! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

piosenniel · 05-20-2002, 10:42 AM

Hello Grendel - how appropriate that you should be in this thread! Mythic monsters should know best what defines them!!

Oh, and btw - Welcome to the Downs!

& let me extend an invitation to the site's 2nd birthday party now in full mad swing in the role playing section of the forum - the Freestyle RPG Room, to be exact!

Daniel Telcontar · 05-20-2002, 10:45 AM

Ah, Grendel from the story of Beowulf. But you're right, Piosenniel; Whe should leave this discussion and go to the birthday party. Even Grendel is invited, if he doesn't create to much havoc [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

piosenniel · 05-20-2002, 11:46 AM

I'm at the party! Where are you? & what do you look like and what festive clothes are you wearing? It's a large crowd, how shall I spy you out?

& Grendel - do come!!

Reyna Evergreen · 05-20-2002, 11:55 AM

What about the Nuzgul?! Has anyone thought that the nine Nazgul spread havock and fear everywhere they went? So what if they didn't last, they are my favourite evil psycopaths!! Nazgul are definitaly on top of the bestest evil charaters.

I still can't believe no one said anything about the Nazgul!!

Other than them, Morgoth rules.

Don't ask, when I get into the mood, I always fall for the darkest, most evil-looking hunk out there...^.^

onewhitetree · 05-20-2002, 12:01 PM

Quote:

P.S.

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Who do you prefer?
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The correct form would be "Whom do you prefer? (Hope I don't sound sound snobby or anything, Vráin. I just can't stand errors like that, I guess I'm just a freak)

(Italics by moi.)

The correct form would be, "I just can't stand errors like that; I guess I'm just a freak."

Alas for the lost semicolons! Alas, alas.

*weeps*

[ May 20, 2002: Message edited by: onewhitetree ]

piosenniel · 05-20-2002, 12:11 PM

Reyna Evergreen

Welcome to the Downs! And as for the Nazgul, please come to the birthday party in the RPG section of the forum - the Nazgul have declared a cease-fire and you can party with them to your dark heart's content!!

Veritas · 05-21-2002, 01:09 AM

Thank you for the help with my picture, Piosenniel!
It has to be shown when I post my message. So we'll see!

Veritas · 05-21-2002, 01:13 AM

Why the **** it's not working!?!?!
I'll have to go to school now, so I'll try when I come home. [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]

piosenniel · 05-21-2002, 01:43 AM

Veritas - what sort of picture do you want? do you have the address for one. perhaps i can find one for you.

Niphredil Baggins · 05-21-2002, 08:31 AM

I can't believe it! Nobody has voted for THE BARROW-WIGHT! I sure will, he was frightening and the Barrow was a place of stale magic -wonderful. Maybe this site has somehow affected my opinion. But the Old Forest is the first section of the book to truly impress me. Old Man Willow is a sure runner-up.

If we go to Silmarillion, I'd say Eöl and Maeglin. I once wrote a fanfic with Maeglin in it.

Veritas · 05-21-2002, 08:42 AM

The offical LOTR site. By galleries is one of a swan kind of thing, I believe it's that boat of Galadriel. O wathever.
I just done: left klik picture-> properties -> block the URL (adres) -> my profile -> copy to that thingy and update my profile? Maybe the picture was to small/big, I used the thumbnail.
O well, I'll seek further.

Btw who's the Barrow-wight? I read the LOTR in dutch, so the names are different. Is it that gost-thingy who leads Frodo etc. in that tempel? Well that one is scary too.

05-18-2002, 07:48 PM	#1
Vráin Redmallet Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 12	Who is your favorite bad guy in the Lord of the Rings? I personally feel that the toughest guy in the series is Morgoth. He created things so evil, not even Sauron dared disturb them. The only one that Sauron conversed with was Shelob the Spider. Who do you prefer? [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

05-18-2002, 07:54 PM	#2
ElanorGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 314	My favorite bad guy, er, gal from The Lord of the Rings is Lobelia Sackville-Baggins because she wasn't really that evil, turned out ok in the end, and was overall an amusing character. Now, the really evil guys I didn't like much at all, although I did feel sorry for Wormtongue [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [ May 18, 2002: Message edited by: ElanorGamgee ] __________________ Soli Deo Gloria

05-18-2002, 08:02 PM	#3
Nufaciel Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 133	Mine was Gollum. We likessss the way he talksssss, oh yessss, my precioussss.... __________________ Member of Pervy Elf Fanciers Anonymous...I need professional help.

05-18-2002, 08:09 PM	#5
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	yes gollum was great but i'd hafta say... the Silent Watchers. they are so cool. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

05-19-2002, 07:13 AM	#6
greyhavener Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: austin Posts: 169	I thought Saruman was the most interesting bad guy. Gandalf turned to him for wisdom and support, but Saruman's desire for power had already corrupted him by the time Gandalf arrived in FOTR to consult with him. I want to find the story of how this transformation took place. Did Sauron deceive Saruman or did Saruman have a character flaw that only surfaced when the opportunity to rival Sauron presented itself? I find it very interesting that even after Sauron's destruction, Saruman went about doing small evil, unwilling to admit defeat or submit to another's leadership. This is a fascinating end for one who was once, at least in other's perceptions, Gandalf's better. __________________ Do justly, love mercy, walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8

05-19-2002, 07:30 AM	#7
Cimmerian Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aquilonia Posts: 382	Denethor, bad eggs with a touch of Dementia are awesome. __________________ IN STEEL I TRUST, BY CROM!

05-19-2002, 07:55 AM	#8
Vráin Redmallet Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 12	Yes, Saruman was a good bad guy. He does have a good play in the story, and the story behind him would be most interesting... [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

05-19-2002, 08:00 AM	#9
Melephelwen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: the Middle of Nowhere Posts: 291	My favourite isss definately Gollum! Maybe I remember badly, but I think parts of Sarumans story is mentioned in Silmarillion (under 'Third age and the rings of power', something like that?) __________________ We're all following a strange melody We're all summoned by a tune We're following the piper And we dance beneath the moon

05-19-2002, 09:27 AM	#10
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	Sam. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

05-19-2002, 10:08 AM	#11
ElanorGamgee Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 314	Oh, I forgot about Gollum! Yesss, preciousss, we loves him! __________________ Soli Deo Gloria

05-19-2002, 04:05 PM	#12
VanimaEdhel Etheral Enchantress Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wellesley College! Posts: 1,461	does a double take SAM?!?! Okay... not even going to ask... Well, I'd say the evilest bad guy would have to be Melkor, for all the other evil sprung from him. In the way of my favorite bad guy, I have to say Gollum, because he was the most complex. And there are MANY discussions of that if you don't know what I mean (I'm too lazy to go into details). __________________ "I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each others dreams, we can be together all the time." - Hobbes of Calvin and Hobbes

05-19-2002, 04:51 PM	#13
Lanniae of the Axe Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Erebor, Middle earth :) Posts: 68	Oh, I never really cared for any of the bad guys. I pitied Gollum, but that was IT. Other than pity, I loathe the creature! Saruman was a traitor! All the bad guys were...well...BAD! But the one bad guy you LOVE to HATE: Grima Wormtongue!!!!! The slimiest rat with a serpents tongue that ever whispered in a King's ear. __________________ Oh! Ooh! Join my yahoogroup: True to Tolkien!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/true2tolkien/

05-19-2002, 06:10 PM	#14
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	Ok, well I would have to say Morgoth because he was the evilest of them all. But other than the obvious, I'd have to say Gollum of course, and Feanor. Well, he wasn't really bad I wouldn't say that, but he actually was in a sense. He started the whole rivalry between the Noldor and the Valar. Oh and Maeglin too. See he wasn't that badd either, BUT he did betray Gondolin to Morgoth. He was held for his life though, so I kinda see both sides. He was both evil and not evil, if you get what I mean. Which I doubt that any of you do because I mighta lost you guys! Hope I'm not confusing you all [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Oh, and let's not forget the Barrow-wights! Those things were pretty scary. And of course, the Nazguls! I sometimes call them the Nazgys..... __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

05-19-2002, 06:43 PM	#15
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	You see, Sam is not unlike a pet dog. Frodo's pet dog, in this case. A dog may react poorly to any stimulus if it thinks that it's master in in danger, Sam is exactly the same way. Sam saw Gollum as a threat to his master Frodo, and to a point Gollum was a threat. However, I would say that once he had been tamed Gollum presented only a limited threat. Gollum searved the Ring, though he may not have wanted to, and to an extent Frodo controlled the Ring (at least as far as Gollum could see. Because of that I don't think that Gollum would have done anything to hinder Frodo until the very end of the journey at Mount Doom, where Gollum's will would have been broken very quickly and events would have played out much the same way that they did. But. But because of Sam's doglike nature he couldn't help but treat Gollum rather badly. Gollum was a killer, this can't be denied. Gollum easily gave into temptation, this is a fact. Gollum was not a good person at all. Gollum was not a threat after the Emyn Muil. Sam's derisive attitude towards Gollum was not needed at all. Sam's derisive towards Gollum broke Gollum's mind and will much sonner than it would have otherwise, and thus put both Frodo and Sam into much danger that was not needed (Shelob, etc.). And so, Sam's cruel treatment of Gollum did great harm to the hero, Frodo. I can't blame him, though, he meant well. (I can't help but feel that I have heard that before, he meant well.) __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

05-19-2002, 07:01 PM	#16
shieldmaiden Wight Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: oblivion Posts: 103	Shelob, Gollum and Denethor, I simply adore his madness and looking forward to seeing him in the movie. __________________ Huonya harya vanyë heni yassen sila i eleni! :)

05-20-2002, 12:29 AM	#18
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	If you'll concede it's a character - I'll vote for the One Ring. It was , by nature, thoroughly evil and certainly influenced all the other major characters and moved the plot along by its machinations. __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

05-20-2002, 12:45 AM	#19
Veritas Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 131	Yes, the baddest (Ihope I wrote that right?) thing is het One Ring, but the baddest guy? Mmm... I think Morgoth and Sauron. Morgoth 'made' evil and Sauron made the One Ring. __________________ With the birds I'll share this lonely view. ~Red Hot Chili Peppers, Scar Tisue~ Laurëfin

05-20-2002, 12:52 AM	#20
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	You are up early, veritas! & i am up late! welcome to the downs!! If we must vote for a bad 'guy' - then I'll take Morgoth - after all, without him there would be no story. Everything would have gone along wonderfully from the beginning of all things. And there would have been no glorious battles to read about or fallen heroes to cry over! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

05-20-2002, 01:10 AM	#21
Veritas Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 131	Here in Holland it's now 9.00 so that's not early for me... __________________ With the birds I'll share this lonely view. ~Red Hot Chili Peppers, Scar Tisue~ Laurëfin

05-20-2002, 01:15 AM	#22
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	I am working at a very 'slow' computer at the moment and can only bring up one screen at a time so I couldn't access my international times screen. It is just after midnight here on the pacific coast of the U.S. Are you coming to the birthday party for the Downs? It will be today at 9 a.m. - my only problem is I haven't figured out which 9 a.m. that is! (yes, I am bad with time!) __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

05-20-2002, 01:30 AM	#23
Veritas Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 131	The only thing I know is that when it's in continental Europe 3.00 pm, in New York it's 9.00 am. But how far away that's from the Pacific coast. I think a hour or 3 or something? In time, I mean. __________________ With the birds I'll share this lonely view. ~Red Hot Chili Peppers, Scar Tisue~ Laurëfin

05-20-2002, 01:36 AM	#24
Veritas Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 131	Sorry, why do you have that stupid system with pm and am!!! Europe 15.00 NY 9.00 __________________ With the birds I'll share this lonely view. ~Red Hot Chili Peppers, Scar Tisue~ Laurëfin

05-20-2002, 01:37 AM	#25
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	When it's 9 a.m. in New York, it's 6 a.m. on the pacific coast. Is there a 1 hour difference between your time and Great Britain? __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

05-20-2002, 04:16 AM	#26
Veritas Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 131	Yes, continental Europe has + 1 hour difference with GMT. btw, I haven't done a search yet, but how can you import a picture by your name? __________________ With the birds I'll share this lonely view. ~Red Hot Chili Peppers, Scar Tisue~ Laurëfin

05-20-2002, 10:16 AM	#27
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Veritas - We also use the 24 hour clock here; but primarily for military time and also in hospital, where I work. Most of the rest of the U.S. uses the a.m./p.m. mode. I'll send you a private message about how to put a picture under your name. Please come down to the role-playing section of the forum in the Freestyle RPG room and join the birthday party for this site. __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

05-20-2002, 10:29 AM	#28
Grendel Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2002 Location: Brittany, France Posts: 16	Gollum is given more lines and more personality than any of the other bad guys in ME. He is interesting because he was on the border line of recovery, despite all the evil he had done. He has a personal history which rouses sympathy and a character so well crafted that he stands out among all the monsters ever created. He is the only bad creature in the LotR with which I empathise and identify.

05-20-2002, 10:39 AM	#29
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Vrain - that's rather odd. Morgoth doesn't appear in Lord of the Rings...he's still hanging out in the Void at the time of the quest. In your topic title, did you mean Middle-earth in general? Anyway, my favourite evil character is Saruman. Wizards! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

05-20-2002, 10:42 AM	#30
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Hello Grendel - how appropriate that you should be in this thread! Mythic monsters should know best what defines them!! Oh, and btw - Welcome to the Downs! & let me extend an invitation to the site's 2nd birthday party now in full mad swing in the role playing section of the forum - the Freestyle RPG Room, to be exact! __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

05-20-2002, 10:45 AM	#31
Daniel Telcontar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 713	Ah, Grendel from the story of Beowulf. But you're right, Piosenniel; Whe should leave this discussion and go to the birthday party. Even Grendel is invited, if he doesn't create to much havoc [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Two beer or not two beer, that is the question; by Shakesbeer

05-20-2002, 11:46 AM	#32
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	I'm at the party! Where are you? & what do you look like and what festive clothes are you wearing? It's a large crowd, how shall I spy you out? & Grendel - do come!! __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

05-20-2002, 11:55 AM	#33
Reyna Evergreen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood, Canada Posts: 69	What about the Nuzgul?! Has anyone thought that the nine Nazgul spread havock and fear everywhere they went? So what if they didn't last, they are my favourite evil psycopaths!! Nazgul are definitaly on top of the bestest evil charaters. I still can't believe no one said anything about the Nazgul!! Other than them, Morgoth rules. Don't ask, when I get into the mood, I always fall for the darkest, most evil-looking hunk out there...^.^ __________________ "Utúlie 'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie 'n aurë!" The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, day has come!

05-20-2002, 12:11 PM	#35
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Reyna Evergreen Welcome to the Downs! And as for the Nazgul, please come to the birthday party in the RPG section of the forum - the Nazgul have declared a cease-fire and you can party with them to your dark heart's content!! __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

05-21-2002, 01:09 AM	#36
Veritas Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 131	Thank you for the help with my picture, Piosenniel! It has to be shown when I post my message. So we'll see! __________________ With the birds I'll share this lonely view. ~Red Hot Chili Peppers, Scar Tisue~ Laurëfin

05-21-2002, 01:13 AM	#37
Veritas Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 131	Why the **** it's not working!?!?! I'll have to go to school now, so I'll try when I come home. [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] __________________ With the birds I'll share this lonely view. ~Red Hot Chili Peppers, Scar Tisue~ Laurëfin

05-21-2002, 01:43 AM	#38
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Veritas - what sort of picture do you want? do you have the address for one. perhaps i can find one for you. __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.