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Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 07-07-2003, 07:37 AM

Anybody who's seen Wheel of Fortune will be familiar with the category where they take two phrases and run them together, for example: "Coffee Break A Leg" from "coffee break" and "break a leg".

This is the ME version! The asker will hint at the phrases and then it will be up to you to come up with the combined Phrase. Here's a rather silly example for you to see how it works:

Q: Mirkwood, ancestral home of the Took family.

A: Greenwood the Great Smials

Okay, here's the first question:

It took Oin to Cuivienen.

Good luck!

Sophia

*Note* Phrim helped me very much with this game *bows to Phrim*. I came up with the idea, and the clue to the answer of the first question... but the clever phrase that results is entirely his. *Round of Applause* Muchas Gracias.

[ July 07, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ]

Beren87 · 07-07-2003, 02:33 PM

Well, after a little help [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] I've got:

Watcher in the Waters of Awakening.

As the Watcher in the water killed Oin, the Waters of Awakening is what Cuivienen is.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 07-07-2003, 03:26 PM

*nods* Very good! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Now make the next one...

[img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]Sophia

Beren87 · 07-07-2003, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Now make the next one...

Eep, yes ma'm.

A melty place that was fortold by Mandos.

[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Anardil · 07-07-2003, 10:13 PM

Mount Doom of Mandos?

Beren87 · 07-07-2003, 10:55 PM

Well, I was going for "Mount Doom of the Noldor", but I'll give it to you. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Anardil · 07-14-2003, 08:50 PM

Sorry for the delay. Some major event had driven it out of mind. I must be related to Ol' Barliman. Anyhow, here we go.
[img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Thorin Oakenshield's heart swore an oath to Isildur here, but later broke it.

alaklondewen · 07-14-2003, 08:52 PM

Is it the Arkenstone of Erech?

Anardil · 07-14-2003, 09:30 PM

Correct.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 07-22-2003, 01:20 PM

*bump* Your go Alak. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

alaklondewen · 07-23-2003, 06:11 PM

Thank you.

The successor of Morgoth and Hador.

Beren87 · 07-26-2003, 01:49 PM

Hm..I've got "Sauron" and the "Easterlings", but they're not going together in any way I can see. Hador died, and when Morgoth overtook his kingdom, he gave it to the Easterlings..

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-27-2003, 02:44 AM

Er, Sauron the Black Easterling perhaps then? The 'Black Easterling', of course, was Khamul, a Ringwraith.

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-27-2003, 07:51 PM

The Dark Lord of Dor-Lomin?

the phantom · 07-28-2003, 01:48 PM

Sophia's going to kill you, Saucepan. She figured it out while she was in Indy but she didn't have a chance to get to a computer.

alaklondewen · 07-28-2003, 09:24 PM

Yes, Saucepan is correct. The board is now yours. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-29-2003, 06:59 AM

Thanks, alak. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Oops, not a good idea to get on the wrong side of a Thunder Mistress. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] So, without further ado, a clue:

An equine obstacle to the Dark Land.

Novlamothien · 07-29-2003, 02:02 PM

Is it Rohan?

Turambar · 07-29-2003, 02:13 PM

Asfaloth Lorien?

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-30-2003, 08:04 AM

No, not Rohan. You need to bring together two different Tolkien-related concepts, the clues to each of which are in the question. Er, difficult to explain, but its best to look at the earlier questions for examples of what's involved.

Quote:

Asfaloth Lorien

[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] I'm not sure that Galadriel would appreciate her realm being referred to as the Dark Land though, Turambar. No, that's not it - but you're on the right track. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Turambar · 07-30-2003, 08:57 AM

I didn't think that was right, but maybe Lothlorien could be an "obstacle" to the Black Land . . .

Back to the drawing board. Equine obstacle . . equine obstacle . . .

Arod Lithui ?

[ July 30, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ]

peonydeepdelver · 07-30-2003, 09:08 AM

Um, Hasufel to the Black Gate?

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-30-2003, 06:22 PM

Nope, neither of those, although Arod Lithui is closer than you might think. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Turambar · 07-31-2003, 06:38 AM

Arod Engrin or Arod Gorgoroth?

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-31-2003, 06:03 PM

Arod is not in the answer. Think of another horse. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Turambar · 07-31-2003, 07:07 PM

Roheryn Lasgalen ??

Same problem as Asfaloth Lorien probably.

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-01-2003, 05:39 AM

No. The horse in question is just about the most famous one you can think of. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

the phantom · 08-01-2003, 06:51 AM

Mountains of Shadowfax?

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-01-2003, 06:56 AM

That's the one, phantom. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Please proceed.

Turambar · 08-01-2003, 07:19 AM

the phantom · 08-01-2003, 05:01 PM

Thanks [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

A building dedicated to Hador.

Iarwain · 08-01-2003, 05:29 PM

the House of Hador, perhaps?

the phantom · 08-01-2003, 07:27 PM

Quote:

the House of Hador

It's not quite that easy. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-01-2003, 07:50 PM

How about Lorindol Guldur?

the phantom · 08-01-2003, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Lorindol Guldur

It's not quite that hard. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Turambar · 08-02-2003, 12:36 PM

Golden Head Quarters ? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

the phantom · 08-02-2003, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Golden Head Quarters

More Tolkienish than that.

the phantom · 08-04-2003, 11:19 PM

Well, I guess a hint is in order.

Turambar, you were right to include "golden" in your guess.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-05-2003, 12:57 AM

The Golden House of Hador [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

the phantom · 08-05-2003, 07:43 AM

I'm looking for a specific building.

(in other words, it has a name)

07-07-2003, 07:37 AM	#1
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Before and After Anybody who's seen Wheel of Fortune will be familiar with the category where they take two phrases and run them together, for example: "Coffee Break A Leg" from "coffee break" and "break a leg". This is the ME version! The asker will hint at the phrases and then it will be up to you to come up with the combined Phrase. Here's a rather silly example for you to see how it works: Q: Mirkwood, ancestral home of the Took family. A: Greenwood the Great Smials Okay, here's the first question: It took Oin to Cuivienen. Good luck! Sophia Note Phrim helped me very much with this game bows to Phrim. I came up with the idea, and the clue to the answer of the first question... but the clever phrase that results is entirely his. Round of Applause Muchas Gracias. [ July 07, 2003: Message edited by: Sophia the Thunder Mistress ] __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

07-07-2003, 03:26 PM	#3
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	nods Very good! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] Now make the next one... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

07-14-2003, 08:52 PM	#8
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Is it the Arkenstone of Erech? __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

07-22-2003, 01:20 PM	#10
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	bump Your go Alak. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

07-23-2003, 06:11 PM	#11
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Thank you. The successor of Morgoth and Hador. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

07-07-2003, 02:33 PM	#2
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Well, after a little help [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] I've got: Watcher in the Waters of Awakening. As the Watcher in the water killed Oin, the Waters of Awakening is what Cuivienen is.

07-07-2003, 10:13 PM	#5
Anardil Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 33	Mount Doom of Mandos?

07-07-2003, 10:55 PM	#6
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Well, I was going for "Mount Doom of the Noldor", but I'll give it to you. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

07-14-2003, 08:50 PM	#7
Anardil Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 33	Sorry for the delay. Some major event had driven it out of mind. I must be related to Ol' Barliman. Anyhow, here we go. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Thorin Oakenshield's heart swore an oath to Isildur here, but later broke it.

07-14-2003, 09:30 PM	#9
Anardil Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 33	Correct.

07-26-2003, 01:49 PM	#12
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Hm..I've got "Sauron" and the "Easterlings", but they're not going together in any way I can see. Hador died, and when Morgoth overtook his kingdom, he gave it to the Easterlings..

07-27-2003, 02:44 AM	#13
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Er, Sauron the Black Easterling perhaps then? The 'Black Easterling', of course, was Khamul, a Ringwraith.

07-27-2003, 07:51 PM	#14
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	The Dark Lord of Dor-Lomin? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-28-2003, 01:48 PM	#15
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Sophia's going to kill you, Saucepan. She figured it out while she was in Indy but she didn't have a chance to get to a computer. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

07-28-2003, 09:24 PM	#16
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Yes, Saucepan is correct. The board is now yours. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

07-29-2003, 06:59 AM	#17
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Thanks, alak. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Oops, not a good idea to get on the wrong side of a Thunder Mistress. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] So, without further ado, a clue: An equine obstacle to the Dark Land. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-29-2003, 02:02 PM	#18
Novlamothien Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: A white, wintry wonderland-in the South!! Posts: 75	Is it Rohan? __________________ "He said if I had the cheek to make verses about Earendil in the house of Elrond that was my affair." ~Bilbo~

07-29-2003, 02:13 PM	#19
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Asfaloth Lorien? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

07-30-2003, 08:57 AM	#21
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	I didn't think that was right, but maybe Lothlorien could be an "obstacle" to the Black Land . . . Back to the drawing board. Equine obstacle . . equine obstacle . . . Arod Lithui ? [ July 30, 2003: Message edited by: Turambar ] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

07-30-2003, 09:08 AM	#22
peonydeepdelver Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alas, I hail from Massachusetts Posts: 256	Um, Hasufel to the Black Gate? __________________ "Nazgul, Nazgul! You speak of what is deep beyond the reach of your muddy dreams, Ugluk! Nazgul! Ah! All that they make out! One day you'll wish that you had not said that. Ape! You ought to know that they're the apple of the Great Eye." ~Grishnakh

07-30-2003, 06:22 PM	#23
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Nope, neither of those, although Arod Lithui is closer than you might think. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-31-2003, 06:38 AM	#24
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Arod Engrin or Arod Gorgoroth? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

07-31-2003, 06:03 PM	#25
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Arod is not in the answer. Think of another horse. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

07-31-2003, 07:07 PM	#26
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Roheryn Lasgalen ?? Same problem as Asfaloth Lorien probably. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-01-2003, 05:39 AM	#27
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	No. The horse in question is just about the most famous one you can think of. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-01-2003, 06:51 AM	#28
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Mountains of Shadowfax? __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

08-01-2003, 06:56 AM	#29
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	That's the one, phantom. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Please proceed. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-01-2003, 07:19 AM	#30
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	__________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-01-2003, 05:01 PM	#31
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Thanks [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] A building dedicated to Hador. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

08-01-2003, 05:29 PM	#32
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	the House of Hador, perhaps? __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

08-01-2003, 07:50 PM	#34
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	How about Lorindol Guldur? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-02-2003, 12:36 PM	#36
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Golden Head Quarters ? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

08-04-2003, 11:19 PM	#38
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Well, I guess a hint is in order. Turambar, you were right to include "golden" in your guess. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

08-05-2003, 12:57 AM	#39
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	The Golden House of Hador [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

08-05-2003, 07:43 AM	#40
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I'm looking for a specific building. (in other words, it has a name) __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.