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TIG CXVII: DEAD Thread: By the Waters of Tarn Aeluin
The body fails, but the spirit will not rest. No, they will not go beyond the Circles of the World until they find peace – either in revenge, or in the knowledge that their cause is lost beyond all hope. And all know, hope dies last.
This is the Dead Thread. Only read on if you are dead. If you are alive, go back to the Living. The way is shut and the Dead keep it, or something. IF YOU ARE ALIVE, STOP READING NOW. SERIOUSLY, STOP. If you are still reading, you have died in the game. My condolences to you. I hope that you will enjoy this thread as a means of yelling at the GT and doing some low-stress WW shenanigans. During the Day, the Dead cast a collective vote for a living player. First person to get the max number of votes will have your vote. Remember, that in the event of a tie on the GT, the Dead Vote carries more weight and breaks the tie. At Night, you may speculate over a piece of information to be delivered to you by the two mods, myself and BeiGei. You may also vote on sending a Ghost to haunt the Living the following Day. You can vote ++No Ghost if you do not wish to send one. Same vote tie rules apply as above. Enjoy yourselves, O Restless Spirits! And remember: aure entuluva!
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Night 2
The heather rustled, though there was no wind. A shadow passed though there were no clouds. A restless spirit was about, refusing even in death to forsake the land of Dorthonion.
A fell voice in the air was heard to speak, though no living soul could hear it: There was at least one wolf who got votes on Day 1. The Living Boro Formendacil Huinesoron Kath Legate Lommy Loslote Morsul Pitch Sally Soriman The Dead Gorlim (NPC/Ghost) Galadriel55 (Night 1) BlindGuardian (Night 1) Greenie (Day 1 - Ordo) It is now Night 2 Greenie, welcome to the Dead Thread! You may post as you wish. ToNight, the thread is all in your power. You may vote for yourself to come back as a Ghost on Day 2 if you so choose.
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It's not really worth using one of our 3 Ghost appearances on me going back to troll the living, much as I'd love to. So no Ghost toMorrow.
I also won't spend all day talking to myself in here, but just for the record: I don't think I've ever been lynched on Day 1 before! I'm actually rather proud of myself. ![]()
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You're not alone! We're dead too! We'll talk to you!
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Day 2
"Get your filthy paws off me!" Form yelled at the vicious wolves. "Take that! And that!" He looked about in confusion as his blows landed completely harmlessly on the wolves' hides, not preventing them in the slightest from continuing to tear apart his dead body.
The Living Boro Huinesoron Kath Legate Lommy Loslote Morsul Pitch Sally Soriman The Dead Gorlim (NPC/Ghost) Galadriel55 (Night 1) BlindGuardian (Night 1) Greenie (Day 1 - Ordo) Formendacil (Night 2 - Ordo) It is now Day 2. Greenie and Form, you may cast a collective vote that will contribute to the GT. This vote is due at the regular DL. In the event that it causes a tie, it will also break it in favour of your candidate. Since there are only two of you, the first person to get a vote here will receive the Dead vote on the GT, which will be tallied at DL regardless of when you vote.
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I feel rather vindicated.
Not sure I have any justification at all to feel vindicated, but it is sort of nice to be proven innocent AND not have to defend myself against suspicious Day 2-looking back all in one go. Pity about that "no idea who the wolves are" yet thing. I am inclined to assume I was killed because I left no trail rather than because I looked like a Seer... Or did I look like a Seer?
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Welcome Form! A questionable honour, but still.
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The other potentially interesting thing to look at is the snippet of information we were given at the end of yesterDay: that at least one wolf received votes yesterDay. Given that I'm officially not a wolf, that leaves one or more wolves among Morsul, Pitch, Huin, Sally and Lottie. It's not a massive revelation given that that's literally half the village, but unless something really dramatic happens toDay, I'd suggest we pick our vote from among those five.
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I know I said we should vote for one of the five among whom there's definitely at least one wolf, and I still think so, but I'm also getting more curious about Legate. His vote analysis is very convenient - basically saying that the second vote for each of the leading candidates is suspicious but the first isn't (when he was the first to vote for me, which he of course doesn't mention). This bit is also weird -
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I'm around, but on my phone at work, so this is liable to be short than the Form Norm.
I agree with "see how it plays out and have me register an actual vote late-ish." Of the people who received votes yesterday, I am (given how things ended for me) most suspicious of Sally, but that's more likely revenge than analysis talking. By the by, G55: it's a moot point since we're probably waiting till nigh the deadline, but HOW will our vote register? I.e. will it only appear in the Day-end narration or will our ghostly avatar speak like a voice from the grave as soon as we have a settled vote here? I assume the former--i.e., we can't influence the game by appearing early and firmly (again, not relevant now, but might be on a future Day). If this is in the Rules, I fear I have outed myself as a villainous skimmer.
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Thanks, G55!
On topic, I kind of like the Morsul theory: Quote:
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Slotting this theory into the vote-list, it could fit:
Kath --> Morsul Greenie --> Pitch Morsul --> Hui Lommy --> Hui Legate --> Greenie Hui --> Greenie Form --> sally Boro --> Lottie Lottie --> Greenie sally --> no one Pitch --> Hui Soriman missed the voting Hui was the first waggon (i.e. the first lynchee to two votes--and first-to-two as Hui wanted to know [a coded message to packmates?] is almost more like 2.5 votes). The very first vote thereafter is Legate for Greenie and given how the day went, it was easy for Hui to latch on: Greenie is not a member of this possible pack and it doesn't lead back to the pack. Then I vote and so does Boro and we each vote someone new--which, yes, doesn't make us look great, but it's also totally early enough that someone else could have hopped aboard either Sally or Lottie and made it a three-way tie with Hui losing the draw. Lottie votes to save the pack--i.e. Hui and it's a done deal. Sally leaves no trail and endangers no one. So... the theory has nothing in the voting record to contradict it. It could explain going after me. Even a clue might be an in-joke for a our mods--maybe all three wolves got a vote! On the other hand...
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I like your thinking. I'm wondering about the Lottie-Sally pairing too, and Huin does fit in with them. I doubt it can really be that easy (though would be fabulous if it were), but I'd be happy for us to vote for any of them toDay.
I'll still catch up with the other thread and see if anything else catches my eye.
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I agree with your last post: while it looks good, surely it's too easy. I feel like there should be a Law about situations like this--Saucepan's Law or something: if it sees to have been uncovered too easily, it's either completely true or it's totally, horrifically wrong. Hoping for the former option here, obviously.
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Adding on to this Morsul theory... is it too crazy to suggest that Soriman could be a really lucky first-time Seer?
The whole thing feels a bit like Ptolomaic cosmology: it's getting to be a bit convoluted and there's no proving it's TRUE, but it coheres nicely.
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Okay, so I caught up with the Living and now my brain hurts. (It's also midnight here, which doesn't help.) I'm getting very weird vibes off both Boro and Legate at the moment, but I still think we should stick with voting for one of the five who got votes yesterDay - that is, Lottie, Huin, Pitch, Sally, and Morsul. I also still agree with you that Lottie, Huin and Sally look the shiftiest out of those five.
That said, Lottie has been unusually touchy over being suspected, especially toDay but she exhibited some signs of it already yesterDay (I can't remember exactly what this was, but she started talking about self-preservation when she'd got one vote and no one else seemed very suspicious of her). This makes me think possible Gifted as well as possible wolf, so I might want to give her a pass toDay. Besides, the village might kill her anyway. The tally at the moment looks like Morsul > Sally Sally > Lottie Kath > Sally [2] Soriman > Lottie [2] Huin > Boro I'd be happy going for either Huin or Sally. Huin has perhaps done more dodgy things (well, he has done more in general so maybe that's to be expected), and I think his lynch would tell us more about others. He also isn't a candidate at the moment, so voting for him might serve as a nudge for the village to actually take a closer look at him. Sally, on the other hand, has been weirdly fixated on Lottie toDay, and does have a possible connection (however feeble) to last Night's kill. She also made a weird comment about Pitch somewhere in there that seemed to have been made from a standpoint of knowing Huin is innocent (although I lost the quote now and might have just read it carelessly). It's possibly also worth considering that since Sally's posted relatively little, her lynch arguably wouldn't tell us as much as Huin's. Then again, based on the current tally, she is the one out of those two who actually does stand a chance of getting lynched.
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As I sympathize with Dead Threads very much, I am almost more excited to see who you guys are gonna vote for than what the Living pick.
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A. We have a Cobblermod. B. She can post on the Dead Thread. ![]()
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![]() Huin it is then? I'll be around till the DL, so I can post it "officially" pending some major mic-drop.
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After some of the epic bandwaggoning last [strikethrough]year[/strikethrough] Game, I am very wary of this mass Hui-waggon... but if he's a Wolf, they don't need our vote. If he's not a Wolf, no point suggesting we all thought so too (that gives the actual Wolves more cover, I think). So... in the interests of sending a message to nudge them to keep looking in another direction, I'm going to say: ++ Sally
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I will say though that, if Innocent (as is my Death-throes read), Hui throws a major wrench into the "Morsul Theory." Might have to start from scratch...
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Well, uh... welcome aboard, Hui.
Got any good theories?
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I theorise that it is well past bedtime. -_- Also that I was royally set up by /someone/. I'll read through here in the morning.
Sorry about Day One, Greenie. ![]() hS
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I did not wait until tomorrow.
![]() I don’t really know what was going on in the voting out there. At least me being dead makes the Night 2 Tidbit more informative, because there's less people there to be that 'at least one wolf'? I'm more inclined to it being Pitch or Sally than the other two. I love the idea that Soriman could be a very out-of-their-depth Seer. I do object to this, though: Quote:
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Fair. In my defence, I only remembered THAT you had asked, not on which thread, and it was the fact of asking that stuck out to me. I do wonder if you've been railroaded--I mean, I obviously think it most likely, but I have flashbacks to Last Game™, when the village mass-lynched themselves into extinction.
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Night 3
As the restless spirits grew in number, so did their determination to defend their land, in life and in death. They whispered in the Night, lamenting their fate and that of their companions. But the stars twinkled brightly, and as the white moon rose, a thought occurred to all of them at once, as if sent to them by one greater than they.
So far, only one gifted received votes. The Living Boro Kath Legate Lommy Loslote Morsul Pitch Sally Soriman The Dead Gorlim (NPC/Ghost) Galadriel55 (Night 1) BlindGuardian (Night 1) Greenie (Day 1 - Ordo) Formendacil (Night 2 - Ordo) Hui (Day 2 - Ordo) It is now Night 3. You may vote on sending a Ghost toMorrow; you have all 3 hauntings available. The first person with the most votes at Daybreak will haunt the village. If the majority of votes say ++No Ghost, there will not be a haunting.
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![]() Putting together the information from our tidbits, then. We know that a) there is at least one wolf among Sally, Morsul, Pitch and Lottie, and b) there is only one gifted among Sally, Morsul, Pitch, Lottie and Boro. My first observation from this is that the votes have been concentrated on a surprisingly small number of people. I'm astonished that eg. Legate hasn't been voted for once during the entire game despite all his antics. Also, based on this information, my theory of Lottie as a potential gifted still looks plausible. But this also means that there are TWO gifteds among the ones who haven't been voted for, namely Kath, Legate, Lommy, and Soriman. I was actually wondering on Day 1 whether Legate's comments about being hunter-gatherers was a hint - but I'm also of the school that thinks a Hunter doesn't really benefit from hinting. I'd like to do a reread of the entire Living Thread today if I have the time, to see if I can make some sense out of all of this. My immediate thought is that it might be time to revisit my Day 1 suspicion of Pitch. ![]() Oh, and last thing we might want to consider - do we want to send out a Ghost? I'm not sure how much insight we have, but then, we do get three Ghost appearances, and the game might not last much longer than three Days now. Technically (read: if I did the maths right), they only need two successful Night kills and the lynch of an innocent toMorrow, and we have ourselves a wolf victory. On the bright side, all three of the gifted are still around too, and with smaller numbers they are arguably more likely to hit their respective targets right.
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I think we've only got a Ranger and Seer in this game, haven't we?
The Ghost question: I agree on the maths (and panicked last night when I thought we'd started with 10 and were thus facing a wolf win toNight!). We now have two pieces of information the Living don't, so the questions are: can we accurately convey those, and do we want to? My instinct is that it should be possible to put together a quote-post for each Tidbit; I'll have a try at it today. But for the other... we have at least one wolf pinned down to, er... half of the village, and we know something about the Gifted, which isn't usually something you want to share. ... just occurring to me now is Thing C that we know: c) Either Legate, Lommy, Soriman, or Kath is the other Gifted. And of course the Ghost doesn't have to reveal everything at once. If, say, the Ranger died toNight, and then someone from the same half of the village claimed Seer, the Ghost would know and be able to say that they were a lying Wolf. And with a potential loss toMorrow, a Seer claim wouldn't overly surprise me. I'm wary of sending one just to convey our theories, though; was it last game that the Dead were just as hilariously wrong as the Living the entire game? hS
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I had a read through the game thread, and (surprise) it confused more than clarified things for me. I made some notes, but not sure how much use they'll be until we get toNight's kill (or lack thereof). A few things that stood out:
- Lottie is very concerned about being suspected and/or voted for. I think she's the most likely gifted out of those who've received votes, but as discussed here previously, if someone is killed toNight and it isn't her, I'm going to re-evaluate. - Lommy and Pitch both voted Huin on both Days while insisting (Pitch on both Days, Lommy on D2) that they'd have preferred to go for someone else. Both also ended yesterDay with lots of questionmarks, expletives, and random strings of consonants. Possibly too brazen if they're both wolves, but this epic show of "look how innocent and clueless I am" makes me think at least one of them is a wolf. - Speaking of Lommy, a lot of people seemed to be kind of soft-suspecting her but not doing much about it - including at least Sally, Lottie, Pitch, and Morsul. - Kath is voting very safely (Morsul on D1, Sally on D2). - Boro is creepy. - Sally is visibly buddying up to both Boro and Pitch; Boro reciprocates. She also has that weird post I quoted earlier in this thread that looks like she already knew Huin was innocent. + She talks about having a good read on Pitch based on them being wolves together last game, which would again be pretty brazen if they were wolves together in this game. Overall, I'd say our wolves could be - one of Sally or Pitch, but probably not both - one of Lommy and Pitch, but probably not both - Boro for general creepiness, or Kath for keeping her nose clean? Or both?
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I'll look over what you've just posted later, Greenie, but first I want to muck about with quotes. ^_^ I've been putting together a Spectral Lexicon, starting with how to say where the information comes from, and then trying to find ways to point at specific people.
I've limited myself to the "published Legendarium fiction" texts: Hobbit, LotR, Silm, UT, and the three Great Tales. The rules don't actually require this! We could quote from the Letters if we wanted, though I'm not sure how much help it would be. Citing the Mods: Quote:
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1. There is definitely no Hunter in this game. I did not screw up that badly.
![]() 2. Hui, those quotes look fine. I can't see a reason why they would not be allowed. 3. How did I know that you'd be the one doing this, if you ever ended up in the DT? ![]()
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![]() Unfortunately I also have a splitting headache and am already exhausted, so please don't make me a ghost, gang. (Honestly this close to my death I'd probably be tempted to troll them all day long anyway...) Thinking now about my judicial murder yesterday: the wolves know that they will likely be at 3:5 today. If they can get one ordo to vote with them, that gets them a tie, and probably the game. So: could Boro be innocent, and two of Pitch, Lommy, and Legate wolves, banking on Boro being so convinced of the obviousness of my guilt that he won't think anything of their agreeing with it? Generally, I agree with Greenie. ^_^ I'm sorry, I'm not being much use toNight, but I was up really late yesterDay. I think sending a Ghost might be good - not necessarily to try and pass stuff on immediately, but to be there for reactions. I'm happy for either of you to return . ![]() hS
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Oh [EXPLETIVE], we have to settle on a Ghost before Daybreak. I was zoning out in a sort of warm weekend laziness/parenting sense of "eh, things can ramp up during the Day," but I guess that's not strictly true.
I am pro-Ghost: we have info and especially if the Wolves get a kill tonight, we need to convey info. It can be anyone: I'm around toMorrow, including toward the DL, but it's a weekend, so I could be scattershot or really available depending on the toddler.
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"But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created." Last edited by A Little Green; 04-24-2021 at 12:19 PM. Reason: x-ed with Form |
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