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this was... not unexpected for once.
in case you don't want to click the link, here's the excerpt from Peter Jackson's status update on Facebook: Quote:
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Really?is this true?is so,then this makes no sense.if the title is'the battle of five armies',wouldnt it mean that the films only focus on the battle,not the entire story?its like renaming return of the king to battle of pelennor fields.
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you make a good point. I'm imagining how the "Lord of the Rings" titles would sound in that very-direct-and-specific-style:
The Fellowship of the Ring --> A Long-Expected Journey The Two Towers --> The Army of Saruman The Return of the King --> The Battle of The Pelennor Fields jest aside, had they read the book a little more closely, I think "The Gathering of the Clouds" or "The Clouds Burst" or something to that effect would have sounded more interesting and poetic. But in any case, oh well. |
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It really does't matter what one names garbage, it's still garbage.
PJ is probably forward-planning with this name change. He'll still be able to make a 'linking' movie between the end of this one and the beginning of Fellowship, and pocket even more cash usurping the Professor's fine literary works. |
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Of course, the title is completely appropriate - what else is there in the Hobbit movies but battles?
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Yeah. I'm getting suprised in the book that there weren't really battles(not much). Bilbo doesn't experience any battle except his encounter with the three Goblins. (btw, why did they make Thorin so rude in the movies? He's not like that in the book. He respects Gandalf's decisions, and shows respect towards Elrond too!)
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"After viewing the movie, we realised it's basically just the world's longest fight scene. Time for a name-change!"
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I don't care if PJ calls Hobbit III "Romancing the Arkenstone" or "Return of the Writhe." I'm much much MUCH more interested in those extra 25 minutes of new DoS scenes! Hopefully they've extended the battle, chase and dragon snout disco scenes, as I felt that those were cut a little short.
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EDIT:and also,gollum will join in,sneaking to bilbo and take the ring.
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I wonder what the reaction of tolkien community when the movie is released......
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There are some interesting facts about the profit of the Hobbit movies in this blog post from Shaun Gunner, chair of the Tolkien Society, on the new TS website. Things are not spiffy in Jacksonville.
The Battle of the Five Armies is the right name for the third Hobbit movie
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I have given up the the Tolkien Society. Felt I had accidentally joined the Peter Jackson society.
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The change of name would probably decrease the already low reception of peter jackson in the eye of book tolkienist.
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Don't see why. It is a better title and a Tolkien title and so trivial compared to what he had already done.
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Honestly, though, I really do think the new title is an improvement on "There and Back Again", which doesn't make sense applied to only the last third of the story- though why didn't they think of that earlier?
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Apologies for the long post. Incidentally, I don't actually care about the change of title.
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This reeks of sheer apologism to me. Yet what purpose does it serve to be an apologist for the corporate decision making of Warner Bros.? This is not an issue of artistic integrity, as the article itself admits: "I have no doubt that executives at the studio would not have agreed to the decision unless they did believe it would boost the film’s popularity and, therefore, its box office takings." Quote:
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While stirring up the pot over at the OneRing.net forum (one of my favorite pasttimes as of late), I made the simple point that the change from TABA to BOFA was inevitable, as "There and Back Again" refers to the main character of The Hobbit. But there has been a diminution of the character (if a hobbit could be further minimized
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![]() Nice post. Regarding the title not sure why anyone cares. DoS was just the subtitle, yet the main-titled character is barely in the flick (or, at least, is inconsequential).
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Not that I use profit as a measure of quality of a movie, btw. DoS sounds like a computer system. I want to know why it is the battle of "the five armies" and not just the battle of "five armies." Yes, I am a pedantic.
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That's showing your age (and mine).
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"Implausible Cliché Scenarios" She thought she'd live a life of dedication To fighting in her Woodland King's defense But found that exercise and perspiration Brought little in the way of compensation And left her feeling frustrated and tense. Yet with a youthful elvish lord's appearance On set, the script required for her to swoon And fantasize that with some perseverance She might obtain her king's discharge and clearance To consummate their love beneath the moon. But then a hobbit and some dwarves upended Her dreams when they came blundering on scene. And thus she found her reveries suspended When duty called and greedy foes contended For treasure guarded by a dragon mean. She suited up for fighting then, deflated, For as her part demanded, she must die. The writers of the script had her created To love a young Elf Lord she never dated While only grinning goblins said: "Goodbye!" Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller," Copyright 2011 I'll have to go back and revist the other poems in the cycle just to check, but I think even I did not anticipate the cheesy "check in my trousers" innuendo between the incarcerated dwarf Kili and the Elf Chick trying to stir up a little jealousy on the part of Prince Legolas -- destined for his own bromance with the dwarf Gimli in the later annals of Middle Earth. Nope. The Elf Chick will just have to die after slaughtering countless orcs but failing to save Kili in the Battle of Five Battalions. It simply had to happen. So it will.
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![]() But then the whole article sounds rather familiar, doesn’t it?: “...if they do come to the books via the films then that is surely good news all round.” “..these action scenes are nothing new to Jackson’s films or Tolkien’s books...” “...further use of ‘The Appendices’…" “...channels the essence of the story…” “..Jackson is a creative and a massive fan of Tolkien’s works– this change is the right decision.."
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Massive fan of tolkien works?he even almost never read lord of the rings.he simply read it in a flash then put it down,never to read it again.
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That's my favourite one of all time. It's in the Appendices, go read it for yourself. In which Appendices? I dunno, I never read them.
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Defending Jackson as a fan of Tolkien also ignores the fact that he is a fan of a variety of movie styles and other directors. The mix of his various fandoms doesn't mesh well.
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How many armies would you think will join in the battle?they probably would add anpther forces,just to make thing intense.
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“...if they do come to the books via the films then that is surely good news all round.”
“..these action scenes are nothing new to Jackson’s films or Tolkien’s books...” “...further use of ‘The Appendices’…" “...channels the essence of the story…” “..Jackson is a creative and a massive fan of Tolkien’s works" Amazing what some people can be conned into believing.....
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Hmmm...I am willing to bet it will be five armies. I am prescient, you know.
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The nazgûl would most likely shows up and duel the eagle.they could count as an army too
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Apparently it's a big deal that we haven't seen a trailer for this yet.
People's ability to work themselves up in anticipation for trash fed to them by giant faceless corporations who just want their money continues to astonish me - like the slave venerating the master who abducted him and forced him to work because he knows the master might feed him an extra scrap of mouldy bread in the future. Here's the new poster for which I think TORN has thrown a parade or something: http://collider.com/wp-content/uploa...ies-poster.jpg Sums up virtually everything wrong with the films: 1) No Bilbo even though the massive words 'The Hobbit' are right there. 2) Focus on "cool" action moments. 3) The reliance on Hollywood cliché (here the framing of a character with his back to the audience). 4) No Bilbo! Did I mention this already? Ugh.
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Smaug doesn't look like a dragon
More like a screaming mutant monkey,
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Not mocking it is what I think - though I don't see why they had to go so far away from Tolkien's picture which is Smaug to me and no doubt to many. Though perhaps they have gone so far off piste now the less it takes, and so defiles, of Tolkien the better.
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^Actually a sad dwarf wearing a helmet.
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