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Overshadowed Eagle
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But also - those names! There are 26 Ruling Stewards after Mardil, from Eradan to Faramir, which can be broken up as follows: - 9 Mannish names: Hurin x2, Turin x2, Hador, Barahir, Boromir, Beren, *Faramir ---- The royal line claimed descent from Hador, Barahir, Boromir, and Beren. Faramir is unique as the only Third Age name on the list, being from a Gondorian prince. - 7 Elvish names: Denethor x2, Orodreth, Ecthelion x2, Egalmoth, Turgon ---- The royal line was descended from Turgon, through Idril. - 1 half-elf: Dior ---- The royal line was descended from Dior - 9 otherwise unknown names: Eradan, Herion, Belegorn, Cirion, Hallas, Belecthor x2, Beregond, Thorondir It seems significant that Eradan, Herion, and Belegorn are the first three successors to Mardil. Eradan and Herion were born before the king vanished, and Belegorn only 24 years after, when it was still possible that he could come back. Add to that the fact that Belegorn's son and heir was named Hurin (after the founder of the House of the Stewards), and I think - despite Tolkien's implication - that those three were just general Sindarin names. But the other unknown names - Cirion, Hallas, Belecthor, Beregond, Thorondir - could very much be names from unknown legends.
All this is, obviously, speculation - but it's fun to think about, and the Beregond-Belecthor-Thorondil part in particular hangs together a bit too neatly to be entirely coincidence. hS
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Loremaster of Annúminas
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Note though the apparent goof on Tolkien's part: as you point out, Eradan and Herion were born when there was still a King, and the Stewards were still using Quenya names. I suppose, if one had to shoehorn it, that Mardil's son upon taking up his father's rod 'translated' his Quenya name into Sindarin, which would make him the originator of this policy of outward humility. (Insert digression on the Noldorin use of Sindarin names in Middle-earth)
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I once posited Belecthor as a name that Tolkien might have used instead of Rog, if he'd ever finished the later tale of Tuor. It seems to fit nicely with a character known as "the strong", and both Belecthors come in a sequence of Stewards mostly with connections to the story of Gondolin. Head-canon though it may be, the fact that the name is unused elsewhere and that the tale was never finished fits well with the conceit of it coming from a lost legend.
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