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Reading the February 2005 issue of Smithsonian Magazine, I stumbled across this:
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The Three, of course, Narya, Nenya, and Vilya; the Ring of Fire, the Ring of Water, and Ring of Air, were the Elven rings. Elrond was in possession of Vilya, Galadriel posessed Nenya, and Narya belonged to Gil-galad, then Cirdan, and finally Gandalf. The question on my mind regarding the Three is this: They have their respective powers, yes, but how are these powers manifested? (One example of Nenya's power, I think, would be the Mirror of Galadriel.) My question regarding the Seven: What were their powers? Since they were given to the Dwarves, it makes sense to me that their powers would be over those things the Dwarves love: metals, jewels, stone, etc. Regarding the Nine: They ensnared those to whom they were given, but what power did they offer? Command of the wills of men? Or something else? My opologies to the staff if this has already been brought up, but if it was, I couldn't find it.
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The power of the 3 elven rings are fairly easy to spot. Elrond uses Vilya to summon the flood, that drowns the Nazgul's horses, so he uses it as to protect Rivendell. Galadriel uses Nenya to sustain Lothlorien, to keep it "alive." That is why when the one is destroyed, the three lose their powers, meaning Galadriel wouldn't be able to sustain Lothlorien anymore. Gandalf, I'm not quite sure, might have just been able to enhance his physical power, example when fighting the balrog.
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Of Narya the Great:
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I think it is appropriate that Gandalf has the ring of fire since he is also wielder of the Seret Flam of Anor (unless that in itself is a veiled reference to Narya) and I wonder if it was a help in his firework making.
Because of Vilya the stars are brightest above Rivendell and this is appropriate for Elrond, son of Earendil, the evening star. The mirror of Galadriel has already been mentioned......
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The Elven rings heal and maintain things.
Rivendell, Lothlorien, Theoden and the spirits of every member of the Fellowship and soldiers of Rohan and Gondor are examples of their healing virtue. They could also be used for concealing things from evil. Rivendell's location was secret to Sauron's wandering eye. Lorien was right under the nose of the tower of Dol Guldur, and nobody ever seemed to know what Gandalf was up to. His movements were secret, he was veiled from sight by a grey mist, as Celeborn the far seeing mentioned. I think the only people who knew what he was up to were the other elven ringbearers ... and only if he wanted them to know. Even the Nazgul couldn't detect the elven ring power until they were on top of it. They didn't know where Rivendell was until they were practically on its doorstep, three of them resided in Dol Guldur and had no idea about Caras Galadhon's power. Oh yeah ... and Elrond's ring is probably what gave him power over the River Loudwater. The Dwarven Rings were used in the discovery of precious metals. So, maybe the gems lit up when they approached lodes and veins of gold, silver and mithril. Something akin to that, possibly. It could have just granted some keen mining intuition. The Nine rendered their wearers invisible, just like the One Ring. Of course, it seems like Sauron tweaked the invisibility spell into a 'permanently invisible and endless life, hahaha, you are my wraith now' spell.
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If anyone wants to argue with me I can supply quotes, but right now I don't have time.
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Thanks for the quotes, Saphy, and thanks everyone for the insight! I read your posts and think: Why didn't I think of that?? Once again, I have overlooked the things directly under my nose.
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I think Sauron's plan was to create Dwarven Nazgûl. He was using the same lure as for Men: it'll give you what you most desire in the world (in exchange for your will). Only it failed, due to the Dwarves' ill enduring of the domination of others. Quote:
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Narya was said to "kindle a flame in the hearts" of people the wearer came in contact with - ie. the wearer became a motivator, a lord of people resources as it were. Cirdan presented to Gandalf the ring, as his foresight saw the need for it in the Maia's future.
This brings up the questions of how strong the power of motivation is, and in what cases Gandalf used the powers - generally over the course of the story of LOTR, but also in select instances - the reawakening of Theoden for instance? And of course the wearer had a profound ability to harness the forces of fire - seen through the example of Gandalf's fireworks, and his use of fire against the Wargs in both Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit.
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The concept of Dwarves being unaffected because of their dissimilar origin and fate got me thinking.
In the Nine Rings, Sauron bounds the Nazgûl's existence on Arda to the One. He was just playing on Morgoth's original plans (making Men fear the outside dark--i.e. beyond the walls of Eä). Of course, considering how he brought about the Downfall of Númenor, he must have been using it for the longest time. But the Nine was the consummation of this plan. With this said the Nazgûl become more fallen than anything I could comprehend. They must have done evil things, and feared the fate that awaits them when they die. So they allied themselves to Sauron, and they became his greatest servants. They had to protect the One to protect themselves from what they truly fear. Sorry for disjointed thought--just thinking and typing as I go.
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A question about gandalf's ring:
If Gandalf had fought the Balrog... were not the Balrog able to melt the rings of power like the dragons can? And if indeed the Three enhanced the natural powers of the wearer... why then when Gandalf the white admitted that he was afraid of the Witch King of Angmar? After all, he's been enhanced by cemoning the white plus the powers of Narya.
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Are you sure that Ganalf was afraid of the Witch King in the books? I can't remember him saying so, but it has been a little while since I read RotK. Obviously he was afraid of him in the movies but they often stray from the books.
As far as the Balrog goes, I doubt it could destroy the Ring while Gandalf was wearing it without destroying him as well.
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