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Rumil · 01-20-2010, 04:57 PM

Congratulations Esty, Aiwendil and Faramir Jones!

Really well done on getting the Music in Middle Earth book to press.

I can't claim to have read or indeed bought it yet but certainly intend to. Does it mention Gandalf and the Hammond Organ or 'Where there's a Whip there's a way' ?

All the best

Bêthberry · 01-20-2010, 05:04 PM

Let me add to Rumil's congratulations to Estelyn, Aiwendil, and Faramir Jones. This is quite something splendid to develope out of a lil ole interwebs forum.

Will say more once my copy arrives--I have it from a reliable source that my copy is on its way. I hope Air Gwaihir provides speedy delivery.

Inziladun · 01-20-2010, 06:14 PM

Congratulations, indeed!
I may have missed this information, but how does one obtain a copy?

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-21-2010, 06:45 AM

Thank you for the congratulations, Rumil, Bêthberry and Inziladun!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rumil

Does it mention Gandalf and the Hammond Organ or 'Where there's a Whip there's a way' ?

As a matter of fact, the chapter on instruments in Arda does mention "Where there's a whip..."

Percussion, you know.

(The Hammond organ is new to me - please let me know where it is mentioned!)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I may have missed this information, but how does one obtain a copy?

The book is listed on Amazon, so you can order it there. It can also be ordered directly from Walking Tree Publishers, and you should be able to order it at bookshops such as Barnes and Noble. The book's page on the publisher's website (Music in Middle-earth) provides the ISBN number to aid in locating it.

Rumil · 01-21-2010, 01:34 PM

Hi Esty,

sorry, the Hammond Organ was derived from a Saucie comment on a thread long ago, so not exactly 100% JRRT

Cheers,

R

Faramir Jones · 01-28-2010, 05:12 AM

Rumil,

Thanks for the congratulations!

I'll be commenting on the contents in detail later, when I've read them properly.

To be clear to everyone reading here, the correct phrase was 'Where there's a whip there's a will', although it was certainly Tolkien's adaptation of the old phrase 'Where there's a will there's a way', hence Rumil's understandable mistake.

It was said in the context of the 'orc-driver' whipping Frodo and Sam every now and then, after having caught them and mistaken them for orc deserters, to 'encourage' them to keep marching.

'There now!' he laughed, flicking at their legs. 'Where there's a whip there's a will, my slugs....'

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-28-2010, 01:12 PM

Both quotes are correct: Faramir has the one from the book, Rumil has the song version from the animated RotK movie. The latter is used as an example in the chapter on instruments.

The Might · 01-28-2010, 01:26 PM

Congratulations on the book! Awesome work Faramir and Estelyn!
I'll surely buy it, I'm just a little bit confused...

Can I purchase the English version on German Amazon or only the German version? Because I'd like to have English one.

Bêthberry · 02-01-2010, 08:37 AM

It's arrived! Now to find time to read it . . . .

I like the walking tree image on the bookmark, Esty. It looks so very much like a green man that of course I 'wood' .

Estelyn Telcontar · 02-01-2010, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Might

Can I purchase the English version on German Amazon or only the German version? Because I'd like to have English one.

Yes, amazon.de can get you the English book.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-05-2010, 09:55 AM

Ha! And now I am one of those lucky ones to have it as well! This morning, a mysterious envelope appeared in my mailbox... (or, well, behind my door... whatever) Just happy! Yeehaw!

I am going to get into reading it - and I'm certainly going to post feedback.

And maybe something more.

(A note, for some reason it felt incredibly cool to get that book on my Finnish address...

)

P.S. And, sorry, but I just now randomly opened it and what I saw was a quote:
"Pinnan alla / varjoissa Rhunin / on kolmas aika auringon"
I'm really starting to think that Finnish is pursuing me... surely you can imagine the shock, in opening the book which has like three lines like that on one random page...

Faramir Jones · 02-07-2010, 04:17 PM

I'll be very interested to read what you have to say, Legate!

I just have to warn you, that you might take longer to post feedback than you imagine. There's a lot of complicated, though very rewarding, material between those covers...

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-07-2010, 04:27 PM

Ah but for sure, and I probably could not read also as fast as I would like (as this really needs some time and cannot be read just as any "light read"... and anyway, I would not even like to read it "carelessly"!)... nevertheless, one by one, I will progress...

Morthoron · 02-09-2010, 08:49 AM

I extend my heartiest congratulations for the efforts of you three! Splendid. I'll be ordering it as well. Hopefully, the one I order will be the English version; if not, I'll just have to have my German mother-in-law read it to me in Deutsch over a bottle or two of wine.

Estelyn Telcontar · 02-09-2010, 01:06 PM

You're lucky, Morth - the German volume isn't out yet. As long as you make sure that Music is spelled with a "c" and not with a "k" as Musik, you'll get the English book.

Also, the German translation of Middle-earth is "Mittelerde"...

shadowfax · 03-26-2010, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Might

Congratulations on the book! Awesome work Faramir and Estelyn!
I'll surely buy it, I'm just a little bit confused...

Can I purchase the English version on German Amazon or only the German version? Because I'd like to have English one.

Sure, you can get the Englsih version on Amazon.de. Let me know if you have any difficulties getting it.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-26-2010, 10:23 AM

By the way, I don't know where should I say this, but this is probably the best place, I have discovered only yesterday that at the very last page of the book, there is the link to our very own most beloved 'Downs

Nice one!

...and for that matter, welcome Shadowfax - haven't noticed you in any particular way earlier, but your location and signature link speak for themselves, one is only left to wonder "which one are you" (that's a rhetorical question, I am just thinking of the set of names related to the Walking Tree - which I can recollect only sounding something like "Grubb, Grubb and Bun-owes"

).

shadowfax · 03-26-2010, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

By the way, I don't know where should I say this, but this is probably the best place, I have discovered only yesterday that at the very last page of the book, there is the link to our very own most beloved 'Downs

Nice one!

...and for that matter, welcome Shadowfax - haven't noticed you in any particular way earlier, but your location and signature link speak for themselves, one is only left to wonder "which one are you" (that's a rhetorical question, I am just thinking of the set of names related to the Walking Tree - which I can recollect only sounding something like "Grubb, Grubb and Bun-owes"

).

Thanks for the welcome. My other name in what people call the real world is Andrew. I'm definitely looking forward to some good discussions on this forum.

I did the final fine-tuning of the book's layout, which also involved reading all the way through it giving me a highly enjoyable and sneeky preview.

Estelyn Telcontar · 03-26-2010, 10:41 AM

Welcome to the Downs, shadowfax! It's nice to have another person who was actively involved in the book here to contribute to the discussions! And a special thanks to you (and one additional publisher from Walking Tree) for the work you invested in the book.

Yes, Legate, having the connections to an existing forum gave one of the editors

the idea of offering readers a possibility for discussing the book, asking the authors questions, etc. "publicly" online. Since The Barrow-Wight agreed to add a space for the book to the Downs, the link was included in the list of further information in the afterword. I hope that it will direct more people here to enrich the discussions.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-26-2010, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowfax

Thanks for the welcome. My other name in what people call the real world is Andrew. I'm definitely looking forward to some good discussions on this forum.

I did the final fine-tuning of the book's layout, which also involved reading all the way through it giving me a highly enjoyable and sneeky preview.

I am sure that will be fulfilled

And certainly thanks are in order for your part in making this book available to us. So thanks again!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estelyn Telcontar

Yes, Legate, having the connections to an existing forum gave one of the editors

the idea of offering readers a possibility for discussing the book, asking the authors questions, etc. "publicly" online. Since The Barrow-Wight agreed to add a space for the book to the Downs, the link was included in the list of further information in the afterword. I hope that it will direct more people here to enrich the discussions.

Yes, I hope so too. Like I said, nice one

shadowfax · 03-26-2010, 03:38 PM

By the way, I've just linked back to this forum from the book announcement page:

http://www.walking-tree.org/cormareB...umber=20#forum

Bêthberry · 03-26-2010, 06:08 PM

Lovely! I hope the link brings others here to discuss the articles.

It is a very handsome-looking book, so congratulations on work well done, Shadowfax.

The Might · 03-26-2010, 09:54 PM

With all the exams in the past weeks I haven't had enough time to take care of this, but I just found the time - at 5 AM

- to buy the book on Amazon. Looking forward to reading it!

Guinevere · 05-10-2010, 02:45 PM

Well, finally I got my own copy of "Music in Middle-earth" - I had waited so I could buy it directly at the Tolkien Seminar in Jena. Esty signed it for me, so it was worth waiting for!

I started reading on my train journey home. (More than 7 hours, but I am a slow reader, especially if it's essays and not a novel)

01-20-2010, 04:57 PM	#1
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 894	In Print! Congratulations Esty, Aiwendil and Faramir Jones! Really well done on getting the Music in Middle Earth book to press. I can't claim to have read or indeed bought it yet but certainly intend to. Does it mention Gandalf and the Hammond Organ or 'Where there's a Whip there's a way' ? All the best __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion

01-20-2010, 05:04 PM	#2
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,996	Let me add to Rumil's congratulations to Estelyn, Aiwendil, and Faramir Jones. This is quite something splendid to develope out of a lil ole interwebs forum. Will say more once my copy arrives--I have it from a reliable source that my copy is on its way. I hope Air Gwaihir provides speedy delivery. __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

01-20-2010, 06:14 PM	#3
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,037	Congratulations, indeed! I may have missed this information, but how does one obtain a copy? __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

01-21-2010, 01:34 PM	#5
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 894	Not entirely canonical... Hi Esty, sorry, the Hammond Organ was derived from a Saucie comment on a thread long ago, so not exactly 100% JRRT Cheers, R __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion

01-28-2010, 05:12 AM	#6
Faramir Jones Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lonely Isle Posts: 706	The correct phrase Rumil, Thanks for the congratulations! I'll be commenting on the contents in detail later, when I've read them properly. To be clear to everyone reading here, the correct phrase was 'Where there's a whip there's a will', although it was certainly Tolkien's adaptation of the old phrase 'Where there's a will there's a way', hence Rumil's understandable mistake. It was said in the context of the 'orc-driver' whipping Frodo and Sam every now and then, after having caught them and mistaken them for orc deserters, to 'encourage' them to keep marching. 'There now!' he laughed, flicking at their legs. 'Where there's a whip there's a will, my slugs....'

01-28-2010, 01:12 PM	#7
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Both quotes are correct: Faramir has the one from the book, Rumil has the song version from the animated RotK movie. The latter is used as an example in the chapter on instruments. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-28-2010, 01:26 PM	#8
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Congratulations on the book! Awesome work Faramir and Estelyn! I'll surely buy it, I'm just a little bit confused... Can I purchase the English version on German Amazon or only the German version? Because I'd like to have English one. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

02-01-2010, 08:37 AM	#9
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,996	It's arrived! Now to find time to read it . . . . I like the walking tree image on the bookmark, Esty. It looks so very much like a green man that of course I 'wood' . __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

02-05-2010, 09:55 AM	#11
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Ha! And now I am one of those lucky ones to have it as well! This morning, a mysterious envelope appeared in my mailbox... (or, well, behind my door... whatever) Just happy! Yeehaw! I am going to get into reading it - and I'm certainly going to post feedback. And maybe something more. (A note, for some reason it felt incredibly cool to get that book on my Finnish address... ) P.S. And, sorry, but I just now randomly opened it and what I saw was a quote: "Pinnan alla / varjoissa Rhunin / on kolmas aika auringon" I'm really starting to think that Finnish is pursuing me... surely you can imagine the shock, in opening the book which has like three lines like that on one random page... __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

02-07-2010, 04:17 PM	#12
Faramir Jones Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lonely Isle Posts: 706	I'll be waiting I'll be very interested to read what you have to say, Legate! I just have to warn you, that you might take longer to post feedback than you imagine. There's a lot of complicated, though very rewarding, material between those covers...

02-07-2010, 04:27 PM	#13
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Ah but for sure, and I probably could not read also as fast as I would like (as this really needs some time and cannot be read just as any "light read"... and anyway, I would not even like to read it "carelessly"!)... nevertheless, one by one, I will progress... __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

02-09-2010, 08:49 AM	#14
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,508	I extend my heartiest congratulations for the efforts of you three! Splendid. I'll be ordering it as well. Hopefully, the one I order will be the English version; if not, I'll just have to have my German mother-in-law read it to me in Deutsch over a bottle or two of wine. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

02-09-2010, 01:06 PM	#15
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	You're lucky, Morth - the German volume isn't out yet. As long as you make sure that Music is spelled with a "c" and not with a "k" as Musik, you'll get the English book. Also, the German translation of Middle-earth is "Mittelerde"... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

03-26-2010, 10:23 AM	#17
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	By the way, I don't know where should I say this, but this is probably the best place, I have discovered only yesterday that at the very last page of the book, there is the link to our very own most beloved 'Downs Nice one! ...and for that matter, welcome Shadowfax - haven't noticed you in any particular way earlier, but your location and signature link speak for themselves, one is only left to wonder "which one are you" (that's a rhetorical question, I am just thinking of the set of names related to the Walking Tree - which I can recollect only sounding something like "Grubb, Grubb and Bun-owes" ). __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

03-26-2010, 10:41 AM	#19
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Welcome to the Downs, shadowfax! It's nice to have another person who was actively involved in the book here to contribute to the discussions! And a special thanks to you (and one additional publisher from Walking Tree) for the work you invested in the book. Yes, Legate, having the connections to an existing forum gave one of the editors the idea of offering readers a possibility for discussing the book, asking the authors questions, etc. "publicly" online. Since The Barrow-Wight agreed to add a space for the book to the Downs, the link was included in the list of further information in the afterword. I hope that it will direct more people here to enrich the discussions. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

03-26-2010, 03:38 PM	#21
shadowfax Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 40	By the way, I've just linked back to this forum from the book announcement page: http://www.walking-tree.org/cormareB...umber=20#forum __________________ Visit the Walking Tree Publishers

03-26-2010, 06:08 PM	#22
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,996	Lovely! I hope the link brings others here to discuss the articles. It is a very handsome-looking book, so congratulations on work well done, Shadowfax. __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

03-26-2010, 09:54 PM	#23
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	With all the exams in the past weeks I haven't had enough time to take care of this, but I just found the time - at 5 AM - to buy the book on Amazon. Looking forward to reading it! __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-10-2010, 02:45 PM	#24
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	Well, finally I got my own copy of "Music in Middle-earth" - I had waited so I could buy it directly at the Tolkien Seminar in Jena. Esty signed it for me, so it was worth waiting for! I started reading on my train journey home. (More than 7 hours, but I am a slow reader, especially if it's essays and not a novel) __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!