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02-20-2011, 07:44 AM | #1 |
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Fan Project: Lalaith's Misdeeds
I'm sure they'll make a long, long, list.
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02-20-2011, 09:35 AM | #2 |
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*Tuor comes dressed like warrior* Why did you isnult my cousin? Now you could join yours! *pushes Nerwen off Caragdur into the lava* Let Maeglin enjoy his cousin's company! *walks away, slowly*
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02-20-2011, 10:05 AM | #3 |
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WHAT IS THIS?! And what is this? I'll let you two argue back and forth about it. I exhausted all my Lalaith arguments on the Did Maedhros kill Laughter thread.
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02-20-2011, 09:02 PM | #4 |
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Even as a mere child, Lalaith was trouble. We've heard all about the unfortunate fate of the butterfly, of course. But there's more–
Did you know Lalaith was an incorrigible biter? It was the vicious chomp she gave Sador, and the resulting blood-poisoning, that caused him to lose his foot. Her parents had to pay Labadal handsomely to keep his mouth shut, I can tell you. (The "axe" story was just a cover-up.)
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02-21-2011, 01:27 AM | #5 |
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No, you're wrong about that. Reliable sources tell me that it wasn't Lalaith who did that. It was, in fact, Carcharoth.
Turin was born in the year when Beren met Luthien. Lalaith was born two years later. Sador was a grown up by then. Carcharoth is known for biting off noticeable parts of human bodies (just like Beren's hand) So, there you are. Sador was working in the forest, when Carcharoth came and chomped his foot off. But what else would you expect from crazy wolf?
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02-21-2011, 02:08 AM | #6 |
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Your sources are clearly not as reliable as you imagine. After all, why would Sador go around telling people he'd stupidly chopped his own foot off when he hadn't– unless there was a good reason? (*cough* hush money *cough*)
Your confusion, I suspect, arises from the fact that Lalaith (outside her parents' hearing) was widely known as "Little Carcharoth". Thus, the servants of Dor-lómin were wont to mutter, "His axe slipped, huh? Don't believe it. I bet it was 'Little Carcharoth', the brat! If she were my child I'd tan her hide!"
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02-21-2011, 02:15 AM | #7 |
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Now, now, you're both forgetting the most obvious one! She goaded Maedhros into causing her death.
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Plus, if it had happened that way, where would Sador keep his money? In the chair he was making for Hurin? But Hurin was a prisoner of Morgoth, so Morwen begged Sador to chop it for firewood. He was reluctant at first, cos he apparently hid money into legs of chair, but after being convinced by Morwen and Turin alike, he burned it. So, if Morwen asked him to burn his money along with chair, why did she give it to him in the first place?
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Meanwhile, Lalaith's career in maiming people didn't end with Sador. Ragnir lost his sight when Lalaith threw her bowl of hot soup in his eyes. (Again, there was a cover-up.) I mean, read between the lines, Urwen– why did you think about half the serving-men in their household are blind or crippled?
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02-21-2011, 09:51 AM | #10 |
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Because of their old age, of course.
But if you insist...could you tell me what was Ragnir's cover-up?
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02-21-2011, 07:38 PM | #11 | |
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...premature old age, due to constant terror...
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Again, many were sceptical: "It's that spawn of Morgoth again! Someone should wring that little monster's neck!" But none dared speak, knowing their Lord and Lady were besotted with the fiend in childish shape.
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02-21-2011, 07:52 PM | #12 |
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Indeed! Insolent child, how dare she? I'm surprised she wasn't punished for her- oh, right.
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02-22-2011, 06:37 AM | #13 |
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Ulfang the Black was in truth a much maligned man. Morgoth's messengers came to him again and again, promising him great riches and the lands of the Edain if he would but serve their lord, but always he dismissed them with scorn.
"Begone!" he would cry. "Back to your dark master, and take your lies with you! My Lord Caranthir may have the temper of a rabid werewolf, and most other Elves may be arrogant sods who would thoroughly deserve their comeuppance– but what quarrel have I with the Edain, my own kin? How could I wish ill on their sweet, adorable, innocent little ones?" It was on a friendly visit to Dor–Lómin that everything changed. Things went well at first; Morwen received Ulfang with gracious reserve, while Húrin ordered a feast in his honour. Talk, wine and laughter flowed freely. No one paid any attention to the golden-haired toddler scowling in the corner. Lalaith was so jealous of the welcome her father and mother were giving this stranger that even her favourite pastime of pulling the wings off flies had palled. Instead, setting her inventive mind to work, she devised a wonderful new game she provisionally titled, "Creep Up On The Nasty Man And Drop A Hot Coal Down The Back Of His Tunic". It was a roaring success. From Lalaith's point of view, anyway. Ulfang enlisted in the Thangorodrim Secret Service (Treachery Division) the very next day.
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02-22-2011, 08:28 AM | #14 |
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Little is known that Ulfang harboured in his heart love for Haleth. Since Haleth loved Caranthir, Ulfang was desperate. Morgoth promised him Haleth if he betrayed. Thus, he agreed. Morgoth kept his promise by letting Ulfang die and join her. Thus, Gorlim Unhappy and Grima Wormtongue had worthy company.
Eol also loved Haleth,as did Caranthir. Morgoth controlled them like puppets and made sure they also joined Haleth in death... TBC ~
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02-22-2011, 09:00 AM | #15 | |
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The subject of this thread is Lalaith: The Root of All Evil.
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02-22-2011, 09:04 AM | #16 |
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I'm merely trying to discern truth from myths
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02-22-2011, 12:37 PM | #17 |
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Lalaith wasn't even her real name. Her real name was Urwen. She was called Lalaith because of her laughter.
Manaical laughter, of course. She would have grown up to be an extremely good torturer if she had lived. Everyone soon learned to cringe and slink away whenever they heard the cackling that foretold the approach of Little Carcharoth.
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02-22-2011, 02:10 PM | #18 |
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Well. This is nice I must say. I turn my back on the downs for what, a couple of months, and this is what I find on my return.
Ironically, of course, you haven't even scraped the surface.
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02-22-2011, 04:10 PM | #19 |
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Frankly my dear, they wouldn't know where to begin... and if they did it would make their hair curl....
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02-22-2011, 04:53 PM | #20 |
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Let's not forget she won WW LXIII all on her own as last wolf standing. Unforgivable!
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02-22-2011, 06:26 PM | #21 |
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After a bit of a break, I'm back with more Lalaith arguments...
Why do you think Turin had so little friends? It's not because he had a bad temper (who made up that ridiculous rumor?!). It's because of his little monsterous sister. Stories of her "playing" spread far and wide, casting a shadow over Turin's name. Everyone was afraid of Lalaith, and that's where all Turin's troubles came from. We all know that Hurin wasn't welcomed in Dor-lomin after his return from Angband, but hardly anyone knows the real reason. When he was "lord of Dor-lomin" and all that, people were too afraid to speak ill of his daughter or him. Now that he didn't have all the fancy titles behind him, they could tell him the truth about Little Carcharoth to his face. People gave Morwen the name Eledhwen for the light that shone in her eyes. What the light really was, though, was the reflection of the sunlight on the tears that never left her eyes. She and Hurin had to give away so much money just to keep the "Little Carcharoth" business quiet that they could hardly make ends meet. Morwen weeped for how much their daughter deprived them of.
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02-23-2011, 01:55 AM | #22 |
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Well, in books it clearly states that Morwen (and Turin) suffered because Lalaith died. Hurin too. He tried to sing a song for his daughter, but failed and cursed Morgoth that Valar (and Turin) would finish him off
Meanwhille, Thingol had shady negotiations with Haleth & Nellas. He made a deal that if they killed him, he would have fun with them in Mandos. You really think dwarves killed him? No, it was Nellas and Haleth with her people, disguised as dwarves. Hurin, of course, participated, as dwarf named Ibanzil (which means 'leader'). Turgon disliked dwarves, and Maeglin disliked mortal men. Yet, they harboured Tuor, along with his little 'sister'. But his 'sister' was, in fact, his cousin. He of course, renamed Lalaith, for purpose of saving Idril. He renamed her after Idril's mother. Hurin, after killing Thingol, and after Melian left, Hurin threw himself in the sea. As for Lalaith, she personally threw Maeglin off the cliff. People confused her with Tuor because they're cousins. Real Tuor, along with Idril and many others, already escaped. After washing her hands, Lalaith went after them and joined them at havens of Sirion. And everybody (except Hurin and Maeglin) lived happily.
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Sorry, Urwen, still the wrong thread.
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No, it isn't. You intentionally skipped this quote:
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02-23-2011, 05:33 AM | #25 |
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Clearly another of those corrupt versions I was talking about.
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Rumours say that they lived and still live in blessed land. Maeglin and their unnamed daughter live with them under mercy of Valar.
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02-23-2011, 06:22 AM | #27 | |
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Urwen, this is about Lalaith, not Celegorm's love interest.
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And why did he curse Morgoth? For giving him such a daughter, not for taking her away. He didn't do this before, because he was afraid Lalaith would find out and play an extra trick on him.
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02-23-2011, 07:01 AM | #28 |
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But don't forget Nienor. Morwen named her 'mourning'
Why do you think she named her so? Hum hum Burarum...rum..rum...
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You see? She wasn't taking any chances...
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02-23-2011, 07:39 AM | #30 |
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No, she name her thus because she mourned for Lalaith;;;;;;
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02-23-2011, 08:02 AM | #31 |
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Nope. What an absurd idea! Why in Middle-earth would anyone mourn for Lalaith?!
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Because Lalaith was a happy child, and extremely happy daughter....
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02-23-2011, 08:19 AM | #33 |
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Only when inflicting pain on other living beings.
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Urwen's reactions toDay have been incredibly wolfish.
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02-23-2011, 11:36 AM | #35 |
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++Shasta for representative
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I've always had a theory that Eru created Melkor because of Lalaith.
See, at first Eru was just going to make the children (Elves, Humans, etc) but then a glimpse of the future showed him Lalaith, and she was so annoying laughing and dancing all the time, so he thought something needed to be done, so- *poof* Melkor! So she's kind of responsible for every evil ever.
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No, it's because Hurin didn't return. Morwen was mourning for Hurin.
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"Go loose, Melkor. Have fun!" "What? The most evil of evil guys did something evil?!" "Feanor- we hereby punish you for failing to remain untainted by Melkor, despite the fact that tainting you was his number one objective and that he's too powerful for any lesser being to fully resist. How dare you not do the impossible!" "Okay, so, I realize Melkor stole the greatest work of art ever and killed your dad, but just, you know, sit tight and don't do anything." "Erm... We can stop the incredibly desperate Noldor from leaving by telling their friends in Alqualonde to refuse them help. Nothing bad can possibly come of that."
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