Who is on the cover of the Silmarillion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Blind Guardian · 11-23-2014, 07:10 PM

This has been bugging me since I got the book years ago. Is it Manwë? Varda? Feanor? The hair looks like feathers, but the facial structure and arms look feminine to me. Is there any place that it's said? Or a description for the artpiece?

This one:
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...s/3/3a/182.jpg

Inziladun · 11-23-2014, 08:51 PM

Since it looks like a non-human coveting three jewel-like objects, my guess would be Melkor.

jallanite · 11-23-2014, 09:25 PM

I think this non-standard image was chosen by the publishers in part because it is non-standard and pictorially striking, not because it fits closely with any part of The Silmarillion.

It might be intended to represent Ilúvatar at the moment when He made the universe real.

See, for example, other slightly similar pictures:

The image could represent Fëanor creating the Silmarils, but Fëanor is supposed to look like an Elf, not like some kind of bird humanoid.

Perhaps if you could provide the name of the artist, we might not have to rely so much on guessing. Have you tried getting in touch with the publisher of this edition?

Mithalwen · 11-23-2014, 10:09 PM

My guess is Fëanor. Though it could be Melkor. Painted by someone who hadn't actually read the book but may have had a vague description and had possibly read the Hobbit. Those surely must be the silmarilli but on the scale of the arkenstone. Not things even a mighty elflord might wear in jewellery.

jallanite · 11-24-2014, 06:40 AM

This illustration is found on the web at http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/The_Silmarillion , marked as “Second Edition Cover”.
It is also at https://www.google.ca/search?q=silma...tm%3B288%3B475 .

So Christopher Tolkien ought to know why this particular image was chosen. I confess to not knowing.

Zigûr · 11-24-2014, 08:50 AM

I can't really answer the question, although my guess is leaning towards Fëanor: there are three jewels, and the character is surely not evil-looking enough to be Morgoth at that point. That being said, I have the equivalent edition of The Book of Lost Tales Part I and it has an equally ambiguous cover: http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1403181958l/7347.jpg
One assumes it's Eriol speaking to one of the Elves, although I'm unsure which. I'm not very fond of it, I must admit. It makes it look like they're trying to market this fairly serious critical study of draft material as an 80s fantasy adventure novel (albeit one with lots of chatting). It reminds me of the covers to David Eddings' stuff, or the absurd covers of the American editions of The Wheel of Time. "Eriol" also looks a bit bored.

My well-loved 1999 Harper Collins paperback edition of The Silmarillion bears Professor Tolkien's painting of Taniquetil, Halls of Manwë on the Mountains of the World above Faerie on the cover. I'm rather fond of that, by contrast. My editions of the three volumes of The Lord of the Rings are in the same style and use Professor Tolkien's original cover designs, which I feel lends them a certain something.

Blind Guardian · 11-24-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jallanite

Perhaps if you could provide the name of the artist, we might not have to rely so much on guessing. Have you tried getting in touch with the publisher of this edition?

I have not. I wouldn't even know how to do that. It might be too long ago for them to even know.

Technically I have this over: http://i.neoseeker.com/boxshots/Qm9v...uDtrPnMjoJ.jpg

Man, Google.com gave me MUCH different results for the same search, Jallanite.

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

Since it looks like a non-human coveting three jewel-like objects, my guess would be Melkor.

I like how that's the first thing you thought of ^_^ Everyone coveted them but Melkor most of all.

Blind Guardian · 11-24-2014, 09:41 PM

Well.

It's on the back of the book.

"Cover illustration by
Mike Dringenberg"

The Silmarillion
Watercolor on board
8.5 x 13"

From here: http://www.eidolonfinearts.com/mike_...ringenberg?p=1

That's all I can find after 1 hour of searching.

William Cloud Hicklin · 11-25-2014, 10:07 AM

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So Christopher Tolkien ought to know why this particular image was chosen. I confess to not knowing.

CT has no input into the Ballantine/Del Ray covers, any more than his father did (remember JRRT's shock and horror at the Remington LR covers?).

Mithalwen · 11-25-2014, 03:13 PM

I don't think it is necessarily something authors have much say in. I went to a reader's day a couple of years ago and one of the authors disliked the cover of the book she was discussing. It wasn't a bad illustration in itself but it didn't reflect the tone of the book. However meaning no disrespect, she is not of the same status.

jallanite · 11-27-2014, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

CT has no input into the Ballantine/Del Ray covers, any more than his father did (remember JRRT's shock and horror at the Remington LR covers?).

Neither the cover reproduction I found (at http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1403181958l/7347.jpg) nor anything published previously in this forum indicates that this cover was from a Ballantine edition. It was only marked on a website as “Second Edition Cover”. This suggested to me, perhaps wrongly, that this illustration was originally from the dustcover of the hardcover second edition published by HarperCollinsPublishers in 1999. The illustration might then have been reprinted as cover art on the paperback edition by Del Rey books, since Del Rey had American paperback rights to previous versions of The Silmarillion. Or the website may have been somewhat imprecise (to the point of being wrong) and referred only to the first Del Rey/Ballantine second edition.

See http://www.planet-tolkien.com/board/...arillion-cover for a fan discussion of what I think to be the same illustration, with the same lack of conclusions to the discussion as in this forum.

For artistic screw-ups, see this interview with Barbara Remington about how she came to illustrate the covers to the original Ballantine paperback editions of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings without even reading the books: http://www.tolkienguide.com/modules/...Brem+Interview , not her usual practice.

Zigûr · 11-28-2014, 04:40 AM

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HarperCollinsPublishers

How I hate referencing my Harper Collins editions in academic work and having to reproduce their ridiculous 'all one word with the last one in italics' publisher title. It looks absurd and unprofessional in my opinion, and doesn't help when one's intention is encouraging people to take the texts seriously.

William Cloud Hicklin · 12-04-2014, 02:11 PM

Unwin -> Harper Collins have always been remarkably deferential to Tolkien pere et fils in the matter of book covers. Most publishers never consult the authors and don't give a fig what they think. Certainly that has always been the case with Ballantine/Del Ray (who are a sublicensee of a sublicensee).

Remember what Capitol Records did with the Beatles?

Morthoron · 12-06-2014, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

Unwin -> Harper Collins have always been remarkably deferential to Tolkien pere et fils in the matter of book covers. Most publishers never consult the authors and don't give a fig what they think. Certainly that has always been the case with Ballantine/Del Ray (who are a sublicensee of a sublicensee).

Remember what Capitol Records did with the Beatles?

I believe The Silmarillion cover is actually Lucy in the sky with diamonds fixing a hole where the rain gets in. It's the type of cover you need if you want to be a paperback writer.

11-23-2014, 08:51 PM	#2
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,037	Since it looks like a non-human coveting three jewel-like objects, my guess would be Melkor. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

11-23-2014, 09:25 PM	#3
jallanite Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 479	I think this non-standard image was chosen by the publishers in part because it is non-standard and pictorially striking, not because it fits closely with any part of The Silmarillion. It might be intended to represent Ilúvatar at the moment when He made the universe real. See, for example, other slightly similar pictures: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...Nahar_Doa.jpeg http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/i/20..._Nahar_Doa.jpg http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20..._Nahar_Doa.jpg http://paulhectort.deviantart.com/art/Ainur-349449138 http://www.thefuturetense.net/wp-con...s-2011-web.jpg http://tolkiengateway.net/w/images/t..._the_Ainur.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-lRNi5OaDE...iluvatar-2.jpg http://translate.google.ca/translate...ri&prev=search http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...ym-d5sbsp3.jpg http://enanoakd.deviantart.com/art/E...lace-402141225 http://www.lamagiaenarda.com/imagene...valar/namo.jpg The image could represent Fëanor creating the Silmarils, but Fëanor is supposed to look like an Elf, not like some kind of bird humanoid. Perhaps if you could provide the name of the artist, we might not have to rely so much on guessing. Have you tried getting in touch with the publisher of this edition? Last edited by jallanite; 11-23-2014 at 09:38 PM.

11-23-2014, 10:09 PM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	My guess is Fëanor. Though it could be Melkor. Painted by someone who hadn't actually read the book but may have had a vague description and had possibly read the Hobbit. Those surely must be the silmarilli but on the scale of the arkenstone. Not things even a mighty elflord might wear in jewellery. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-24-2014, 08:50 AM	#6
Zigûr Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 785	I can't really answer the question, although my guess is leaning towards Fëanor: there are three jewels, and the character is surely not evil-looking enough to be Morgoth at that point. That being said, I have the equivalent edition of The Book of Lost Tales Part I and it has an equally ambiguous cover: http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1403181958l/7347.jpg One assumes it's Eriol speaking to one of the Elves, although I'm unsure which. I'm not very fond of it, I must admit. It makes it look like they're trying to market this fairly serious critical study of draft material as an 80s fantasy adventure novel (albeit one with lots of chatting). It reminds me of the covers to David Eddings' stuff, or the absurd covers of the American editions of The Wheel of Time. "Eriol" also looks a bit bored. My well-loved 1999 Harper Collins paperback edition of The Silmarillion bears Professor Tolkien's painting of Taniquetil, Halls of Manwë on the Mountains of the World above Faerie on the cover. I'm rather fond of that, by contrast. My editions of the three volumes of The Lord of the Rings are in the same style and use Professor Tolkien's original cover designs, which I feel lends them a certain something. __________________ "Since the evening of that day we have journeyed from the shadow of Tol Brandir." "On foot?" cried Éomer.

11-25-2014, 03:13 PM	#10
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,455	I don't think it is necessarily something authors have much say in. I went to a reader's day a couple of years ago and one of the authors disliked the cover of the book she was discussing. It wasn't a bad illustration in itself but it didn't reflect the tone of the book. However meaning no disrespect, she is not of the same status. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-24-2014, 06:40 AM	#5
jallanite Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 479	This illustration is found on the web at http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/The_Silmarillion , marked as “Second Edition Cover”. It is also at https://www.google.ca/search?q=silma...tm%3B288%3B475 . So Christopher Tolkien ought to know why this particular image was chosen. I confess to not knowing.

12-04-2014, 02:11 PM	#13
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,319	Unwin -> Harper Collins have always been remarkably deferential to Tolkien pere et fils in the matter of book covers. Most publishers never consult the authors and don't give a fig what they think. Certainly that has always been the case with Ballantine/Del Ray (who are a sublicensee of a sublicensee). Remember what Capitol Records did with the Beatles? __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.