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Quentingolmo
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Of Maeglin
This is the first draft of the chapter Of Maeglin.
Our basis text is that of "Of Maeglin" given in the Sil77, using the commentary in HoME 11. Wherever the text is different from the Sil77, this is marked by an editing mark. The markings are: M-xx for tracking any and all changes. Some conventions of my writing: Normal Text is from the basic text that is mentioned above (when I change the basic-Text it will be mentioned) Bold Text = source information, comments and remarks {example} = text that should be deleted [example] = normalised text, normally only used for general changes <source example> = additions with source information ...... = This section of the paragraph is unchanged from the source. Quote:
M-02: He states this was an error in the Sil77 version. M-03: This was removed by CT, so I have reinserted it. M-04: This was removed by CT bc he thought it referenced the removed statements that GLorfindel, Egalmoth, and Ecthelion were her escort, but I think it is fine to keep here even when they have been removed. M-05: This was changed by CT, so I have restored the original form. M-06: This was removed by CT, so I have reinserted it. M-07: I have updated this per the later myth and the Sil77. M-08: This was removed by CT, so I have reinserted it. M-09: This was changed by CT, so I have restored the original form. M-10: This was changed by CT, so I have restored the original form. M-11: This was changed by CT, so I have restored the original form. M-12: This was changed by CT, so I have restored the original form. M-13: This was changed by CT, so I have restored the original form. M-14: CT adds the Arossiach into the narrative here bc of its name on the map, so I did as well. If this is too much it may be left out. M-15: This was removed by CT, so I have reinserted it. M-16: This was changed by CT, so I have restored the original form. M-17: This was removed by CT, so I have reinserted it. M-18: These statements are troubling, as they contradict what is said elsewhere. I vaguely remember an argument on here in the Fall of Gondolin thread saying that this contradicts the geneology itself, but I cannot remember the example used. If this is so, this line must go, but if not, then it may stand. Last edited by ArcusCalion; 10-05-2017 at 11:52 AM. |
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King's Writer
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M-00.5: I think we should include the sub-title: ‘Sister-son of Turgon, King of Gondolin’.
M-01: Okay, we are lucky Ar-Feiniel was used no where else. M-01.5: I think we should include the three names of the Lords to lead Aredhel: Quote:
M-07 to M-13 and M-15 to M-17: Agree, but we should add the source information into the editing markers. M-14: I do not see a good reason for this change. In my view it is equal if the name or the fords of Aros is used. In such a case the original text should rule. M-18: The example used was Galadriel and Teleporno from the later time when Celeborn was a grandson of Olwë of Aqualondë, as was Galadriel a granddaughter of Olwë through Earwen. And the Laws and Customs where the marriage of first cousins was allowed if the paraents that were not siblings would be not akin at all. That could be the case with Galadriel and Teleporno. (I as well said that Celeborn by that law could have been both the grandson of Olwë and Elmo.) In the case of Maeglin and Idril, I suggested that Eöl as a tatyarin Avari could have been akin to Elenwë (supposedly a noldorin lady) and that by this kinship the Maeglins love for Idril would be rendered ‘a thing strange and crooked’. But in the discussion these arguments did not find the majority. And up to this point we did not make Eöl a tatyarin Avari. So equally if we revise this decision now, at least last the statements might stand. Respectfully Findegil |
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Quentingolmo
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M-01.5: I would be as well, but Tolkien himself made directions that they should be unnamed, bc he thought that the lord of the Gondolindrim would not be so easily ensnared in the webs of Nan Dungortheb.
M-14: Agreed, I was unsure about the change myself. M-18: So it would be the statement in Laws and Customs that must be emended then. The list of changes to that document gets longer every day lol |
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King's Writer
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M-01.5: Okay, as sad as it is we have to let the 3 be unnamed.
M-18: I would change neither, but that is my opinion. Respectfully Findegil |
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Quentingolmo
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M-18: not that it matters for thisa thread, but why would you not change the LC? Would you leave it thjere for the reader to use to infer that Eol must be related to Turgon?
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King's Writer
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I am a 'combiner' as long as solution is thinkable, there is no contradiction and with that no need for a change.
Respectfully Findegil |
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Quentingolmo
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fair enough
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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Following from my post about Eol's heritage in another forum - is the following excerpt about Eol being one of those Teleri that stopped at the sight of the Misty Mountains (i.e. the Nandor) contradictory to Tolkien's later note to that passage and Eol's implied kinship with Thingol?
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King's Writer
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For me at least, Eöl could be one of the Elves that stayed back in the Vale of Anduin and still be a near kin to Thingol.
For me the first note seperates him from the Sindar and from Thingol, but the later note rebinds him to Thingol. Since the kinship to Thingol does not contradict a staying behind in the vale of Anduin, he is for me a Elf akin to Thingol and thus member of the third clan. He stayed behind in the Vale of Anduin, but did not stay there until Denethor led the Nandor to the South (and ultimatly through Eriador into Eastern Beleriand) but crosse the Mountians and came into Beleriand earlier than Denethor and the Nandor. Since he settled in Nan Elmoth we can farther fix the time of Eöl movement as being between the return of Thingol with the establishment of his ruler ship in Beleriand and the arival of the Nandor. Respectfully Findegil |
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