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HerenIstarion · 02-28-2002, 11:49 AM

i'm well pleased with Mistranslation thread, so, working along same lines, here we have another kind of quote contest. One gives a completely reversed version of the quote, and the rest tries to work out hte original. Here we go:

Quote:

Butterflies are already dead, though on an island over those pools, for I deduct it out of a fire

who + all the circumstances

HerenIstarion · 03-05-2002, 06:53 AM

err..., I expected more enthusiasm somehow...

Watcher in the Water · 03-06-2002, 01:55 AM

I for one do not get what you mean... could you give the answer for your current question and then pose another so i can get an idea about how to approach the question? I must say it SOUNDS interesting... I just dont get it yet [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Joy · 03-06-2002, 02:00 AM

I agree Watcher. Though I must say this sounds like Denethor before he decides to kill himself and Faramir.

HerenIstarion · 03-06-2002, 02:39 AM

well, I think I failed to explain the principle. I'll reveal the answer to the previous one as a sample:

Quote:

Butterflies are already dead, though on an island over those pools, for I deduct it out of a fire

which was the reverse to that one:

The dragon is still alive and in the halls under the Mountain then - or I imagine so from the smoke

and give it the fresh start. here we go again:

Quote:

what have them done, what have them done! Running into elves, while enslaved by rabbits!

guess it out

Joy · 03-06-2002, 02:49 AM

H-I, all I can think of is Borimir saying:

What have I said?.. What have I done? Frodo, Frodo come back. A madness took me. Now it is gone.

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-06-2002, 06:12 AM

Quote:

What shall we do, what shall we do! Escaping goblins to be caught by wolves!

[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
I have noticed that H-I has bit of a fondness for The Hobbit.

[ March 06, 2002: Message edited by: Bruce MacCulloch ]

HerenIstarion · 03-06-2002, 08:17 AM

not a bit, heh, a mighty big morsel I should say [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. yes, Bruce, you got it. go ahead

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-06-2002, 04:04 PM

Quote:

She wasn't a nice lady, and quite rude to the guests.

HerenIstarion · 03-07-2002, 10:26 AM

well, hard to crack that one. if we make it word by word, it will sound as follows

He was a wicked lord, though more or less polite to his host

but I have no clue whom may that be

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-07-2002, 09:46 PM

Not really word for word, somewhat, but more concept for concept.

HerenIstarion · 03-08-2002, 03:35 AM

well, than maybe Gaffer about Bilbo:

Quote:

A very nice well-spoken gentlehobbit is Mr. Bilbo, as I’ve always said

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-08-2002, 04:24 AM

No again.
It's almost word for word, by the way. Not entirely, but almost.

HerenIstarion · 03-09-2002, 07:05 AM

Treebeard about Saruman?

Quote:

He was polite in those days, always asking my leave (at least when he met me); and always eager to listen.

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-11-2002, 01:06 AM

Still no! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Glenethor · 03-11-2002, 01:56 AM

Merry about Theoden?

Mat_Heathertoes · 03-11-2002, 10:10 AM

I'd have a stab at Frodo to Gandalf at the Council of Elrond concerning Butterbur

Quote:

'He was really very kind to us and did all that he could.'

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-13-2002, 12:24 AM

Heh! I seem to have even stumped the doughty Mr. Heathertoes. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

HerenIstarion · 03-13-2002, 06:42 AM

well, working out statement about being rude to the guests, I assume that must be quatation from author's narrative in The Hobbit:

Quote:

the hobbit was fond of visitors

is it?

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-13-2002, 10:01 PM

Still no, although you are getting closer.

Joy · 03-13-2002, 10:57 PM

Gandalf to Bilbo about Beorn:

Quote:

He can be appaling when he is angry, though he is kind enough if humored.

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-13-2002, 11:02 PM

Nope - you and H-I may be "closer" but you have a long way to go yet. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Joy · 03-15-2002, 12:51 AM

The Hobbit - Flies and Spiders:

Quote:

for Wood-Elves were not goblins, and were reasonably well-behaved even to their worst enemy.

Is this it???

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-15-2002, 01:21 AM

Even closer! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

HerenIstarion · 03-25-2002, 01:39 AM

maybe it's description of Beorn (yet again):

Quote:

Beorn, who was never very polite.

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-25-2002, 10:37 AM

Getting colder. Think along the lines of Joy's last guess.

Mirkgirl · 03-25-2002, 05:24 PM

Maybe not, but Gloin at the council of Elrond?

HerenIstarion · 03-26-2002, 12:55 AM

well. well, , maybe Thorin about Elvenking:

Quote:

Nor at all with the people of the Elvenking, whom I remember with small kindness

? [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-26-2002, 01:16 AM

Close, but still not quite!

HerenIstarion · 03-27-2002, 12:18 AM

well, maybe that's dwarves in elven cave. I think this one fits in perfectly: masculine plural vs fem. sing. of your quote, and they are not polite:

Quote:

They were surly and angry and did not even pretend to be polite

and they were rude to their "host" (or captor, rather) - elvenking

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-27-2002, 02:33 AM

You keep hitting so close! Still a miss!

HerenIstarion · 04-07-2002, 03:47 AM

well, I'm pretty sure already it's Elvenking being described, but by whom I can not make out

Bruce MacCulloch · 04-07-2002, 03:04 PM

Do you want me to post the answer and ask a different one?

Turambar · 04-08-2002, 05:44 PM

Bilbo about the chief guard:

Quote:

"He wasn't a bad fellow, and quite decent to the prisoners."

mordor136 · 04-08-2002, 07:52 PM

pippen about theoden
"A fine old fellow. Very polite"

Bruce MacCulloch · 04-10-2002, 05:18 AM

Finally! Turambar got it!

Rimbaud · 04-10-2002, 08:40 AM

This is mind-meltingly simple, but in order to re-establish the format...

Quote:

On the highest of mountains lived the largest of giants.

Turambar · 04-10-2002, 03:00 PM

"In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit." ???

latando angaina · 04-13-2002, 09:31 AM

I think it was already Turambar's turn to ask, so he (being right, I fancy) may proceed. or isn't it so? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Turambar · 04-24-2002, 11:20 AM

"Oh man who died in happiness, arise into bright memory, and remember forever the beautiful choice of death."

03-05-2002, 06:53 AM	#2
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	err..., I expected more enthusiasm somehow... __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time! Last edited by HerenIstarion; 01-05-2005 at 02:03 PM. Reason: sweeping party - smiley code

03-06-2002, 01:55 AM	#3
Watcher in the Water Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Green Dragon Posts: 48	I for one do not get what you mean... could you give the answer for your current question and then pose another so i can get an idea about how to approach the question? I must say it SOUNDS interesting... I just dont get it yet [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ The Road Goes Ever On and On...

03-06-2002, 02:00 AM	#4
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	I agree Watcher. Though I must say this sounds like Denethor before he decides to kill himself and Faramir. __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

03-06-2002, 02:49 AM	#6
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	H-I, all I can think of is Borimir saying: What have I said?.. What have I done? Frodo, Frodo come back. A madness took me. Now it is gone. __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

03-06-2002, 08:17 AM	#8
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	not a bit, heh, a mighty big morsel I should say [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. yes, Bruce, you got it. go ahead __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

03-07-2002, 10:26 AM	#10
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	well, hard to crack that one. if we make it word by word, it will sound as follows He was a wicked lord, though more or less polite to his host but I have no clue whom may that be __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

03-07-2002, 09:46 PM	#11
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Not really word for word, somewhat, but more concept for concept. __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

03-08-2002, 04:24 AM	#13
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	No again. It's almost word for word, by the way. Not entirely, but almost. __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

03-11-2002, 01:06 AM	#15
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Still no! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

03-11-2002, 01:56 AM	#16
Glenethor Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow Posts: 176	Merry about Theoden? __________________ "Imagine there's no countries, it isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people, living life in peace..." Dr. Winston O'Boogie

03-13-2002, 12:24 AM	#18
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Heh! I seem to have even stumped the doughty Mr. Heathertoes. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

03-13-2002, 10:01 PM	#20
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Still no, although you are getting closer. __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

03-13-2002, 11:02 PM	#22
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Nope - you and H-I may be "closer" but you have a long way to go yet. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

03-15-2002, 01:21 AM	#24
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Even closer! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

03-25-2002, 10:37 AM	#26
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Getting colder. Think along the lines of Joy's last guess. __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

03-25-2002, 05:24 PM	#27
Mirkgirl Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 84	Maybe not, but Gloin at the council of Elrond? __________________ "Hobbits! Well, what next? I have heard of strange doings in this land, but I have seldom heard of a hobbit sleeping out of doors under a tree. Three of them! There's something mighty queer behind this."

03-26-2002, 01:16 AM	#29
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Close, but still not quite! __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

03-27-2002, 02:33 AM	#31
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	You keep hitting so close! Still a miss! __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

04-07-2002, 03:47 AM	#32
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	well, I'm pretty sure already it's Elvenking being described, but by whom I can not make out __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

04-07-2002, 03:04 PM	#33
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Do you want me to post the answer and ask a different one? __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

04-08-2002, 07:52 PM	#35
mordor136 Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: snowboarding with Morgoth in the void Posts: 221	pippen about theoden "A fine old fellow. Very polite" __________________ It's not A.D.D I'm just ignoring you. I'm like a super-hero with no powers or motivation

04-10-2002, 05:18 AM	#36
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Finally! Turambar got it! __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

04-10-2002, 03:00 PM	#38
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	"In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit." ??? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

04-13-2002, 09:31 AM	#39
latando angaina Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 22	I think it was already Turambar's turn to ask, so he (being right, I fancy) may proceed. or isn't it so? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

04-24-2002, 11:20 AM	#40
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	"Oh man who died in happiness, arise into bright memory, and remember forever the beautiful choice of death." __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.