Grab Bag

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Since the trivia types are now organised into groups, the Wight has asked me to start a Grab Bag thread. Any question you like, about any of Tolkien's works, is welcome.

To start it off, what was the original purpose of Hithaeglir?

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Grab Bag

Melkor wanted to deny Orome the possibility to ride futher into the east of ME.

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[Gwaihir the Windlord]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Grab Bag

Orome and ...?

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Grab Bag

Well, the mountains slowed down the march of the elves from Cuiviénen into the west, but in the Silmarillion there is stated &quot;[the Hithaeglir] were reared by Melkor to hinder the riding of Oromé.&quot;

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[Gwaihir the Windlord]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/onering.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Both

The Riding of Orome simply meant that Orome lead the Elves. The purpose of the Misty Mountains was actually to hinder the Elves who were with Orome, not Orome himself.
So I accept the 'Riding of Orome' as an answer, but not simply Orome.


Now you can ask!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Both

OK, the &quot;Grab Bag&quot; seems to be the perfect location for this question:
What is enscribed upon the tombstone of JRRT and his wife?

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Both

http://pub17.ezboard.com/fplanettolk...opicID=2.topicpub17.ezboard.com/fplanettolkienforumjrrtolkien.showMessage?topicID= 2.topic</a>

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[Gwaihir the Windlord]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Both

On JRRT's tombstone is inscribed 'Beren'
And on his wife's, 'Luthien'.

I would like to dedicate my thanks to galpsi for providing me with this answer, and modestly letting me post it instead of him. (<img src=wink.gif ALT=""> )

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Both

Galpsi, that is pretty much it, go on (If your not playing an Annatar and give the posting right to Gwaihir, that is) !

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Both

You couldn't think of a nicer gift-giver than Annatar? Couldn't I have been Celeborn the magnanimous? Noooo! Annatar it is.
We all know that somebody got impaled on a spike in New Zealand and the presumptive favorite is that it's Saruman impaled on some bit of his devlish machinery. Leaving aside the question of PJ's liberties, who do we know was done in by Saruman's &quot;precious machinery&quot;?


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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Both

Beechbone.

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[galpsi]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Both

That's what Pippin thought. Ask us!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Both

Cool.
This was the second time already I used this answer correctly <img src=pimp.gif ALT=":hat">

If there existed an analogy between the Ruin of Doriath and the Nibelungenlied, what Middle-Earth river would be the counterpart to the Rhine, and why?

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[Gwaihir the Windlord]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Both

Sorry if I am misintentionally acting the fool here, but I would like this explained. <img src=ohwell.gif ALT=":\">

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Both

Alright, I should have explained in more detail.

The river Rhine plays a prominent role in the saga of Siegfried and the Nibelungs. There is one river in Middle-Earth which played a role similar to the Rhine in the course of the Fall of Doriath. This means, they both were involved in a special event which occurred in both legends.
Just think of the second part of Wagner´s opera...

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Both

You know, Sharku, this question has been bugging me since I first read it. It seems to me that for any river in ME to play the role of the Rhein, it would have to be source of the Silmarils and set all of the fatal business in motion as the Rhein was the source of das Rheingold. Now I'm even less informed about the Silmarillion than I am about the Ring des Nibelungen, but I didn't think that the Silamrils were linked to any river in the same meaningful way that das Rheingold was.
Nor even if the Nauglamir was the intended parallel do
I quite understand it, for I thought that its material came out of Tirion rather than a river. I'm baffled!

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[Gwaihir the Windlord]

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I am worse off than galpsi here. Can anyone answer it?

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

Galpsi came close, but bear in mind that, originally, the Rhine is not the _source_ of the Nibelungen-hoard, but, well...and there´s a river in ME who had the same function after Doriath fell.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

Are you thinking of the Ascar, where most of Doriath`s treasure came to rest? It was renamed Rathloriel, which I think means Goldenbed.

Look into the http://www.fortunecity.co.uk/library/classiccourt/77/Mirror of Desire.</a> </p>

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

Yes!
That´s exactly what I meant - the drowned Rheingold, the drowned treasure of Doriath.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

Which character (in the Silmarillion) was forced to become `sinister`?

Look into the http://www.fortunecity.co.uk/library/classiccourt/77/Mirror of Desire.</a> </p>

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

Hahaha, have at you, Trickster!!
BEREN, because he could no longer be dexter without his right hand, so he had to use the sinister, i.e. left one.


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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

Good answer, Sharku. Maedhros would also have been an acceptable answer.

Look into the http://www.fortunecity.co.uk/library/classiccourt/77/Mirror of Desire.</a> </p>

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

Since this seems like a good thread for such questions,
name at least two characters in LOTR of whom we know that they are gay!

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[Gwaihir the Windlord]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

Goodness gracious, Sharku. I hope you don't mean Sam and Frodo now, that would be too much.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

Of course not. Although Sam sometimes is a gay little fellow if you know what I mean.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

To give it away so that this doesn't turn into a discussion of sexuality, I think Sharku may be asking where JRRT might have described someone's actions as having been done gayly of someone that might have been described as gay (cheerful). I don't recall these exact references, but I know they exist.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

The references which lead to the correct answers are simple...

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[Gwaihir the Windlord]

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

Two people who are cheerful: <img src=roll.gif ALT=":rollin">
Tulkas,
Legolas

(Am I on the right track? Or is the Wight right. If so, I don't think I could answer this without a clue...)



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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

Alright, Tulkas is really cheerful. But Legolas?
The two I immediately thought of were Tom Bombadill (a &quot;merry fellow&quot and Merry (name).
But you got the 'point' behind this question, so, go on, Gwaihir.

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

Got another question Gwaihir? Answer this one to ask it (or anybody):

What was in the middle of the Anfauglith and what was it?

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: No Comment

Haudh-en-(ithinkitwas)-Ndengin, the hill which is raised from the casualties of the Nirnaeth Arnoediad (these were the two most difficult elven words, let me tell you...).

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You got it! And that really is a tongue-twister!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Ask

Sorry, guys. I'm not losing interest in the board, as you may think, but I'm kind of busy at the moment. Internet acces is running a bit low as well. Come the first of next month and I'll be seen around aas often as always!


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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Ask

What was the special thing about Haudh-en-Ndengin, and mainly the circumstance that it stood in the middle of Anfauglith?

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Ask

Do you mean the odd fact that the mound was covered by green grass amidst the desert?

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Yes I do!

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Ask

Tolkien is much taken with the image of fruitful burial mounds as a kind of posthumous vindication. So much so that this theme alone could be a long and fruitful thread.
Who is interred in Haudh in Gwanur?

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Ask

Folcred and Fastred

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/wight.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: Ask

&quot;and the enemies of Gondor feared to pass [Haudh in Gwanur].&quot;
Ask us!

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