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10-29-2002, 04:57 AM | #1 |
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
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Beyond The Ages
What we know of the Forth Age is very slim. Did Tolkien set out to say that the declining of the "sppeaking peoples" (save Men) was how we came about. In other words are we the men from Middle-earth?
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10-29-2002, 02:55 PM | #2 |
Shade of Carn Dūm
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Thats debatable. He often stated this, but I think he may have decided it was more of a parallel universe type thing. As always what I am saying is just what I assume feel free to challenge.
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10-29-2002, 03:03 PM | #3 |
Pile O'Bones
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I dont know about the parallel universe thing because of the similarities between it and our world. The Man in the moon song. Only some of it is now recited and its just a nursery rhyme. But its still evolved literature from their time to ours. ME is now our world. Also, when describing Hobbits, he said they can disappear when big stupid folk like US come blundering along. I think Tolkien's world is our world long ago
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10-29-2002, 03:36 PM | #4 |
Shade of Carn Dūm
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I hope your not talking literally [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] When he wrote the hobbit it was not set in Middle Earth, or not intentionally, just set in a mythical world/time/area/thing. The Middle Earthiness just crept in because he was an obsessive person, and there was a lot of ME just floating around in his head.
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10-29-2002, 09:41 PM | #5 |
Hungry Ghoul
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Often quoted, but apparently not nearly often enough:
"I doubt if there would have been much gain; and I hope the, evidently long but undefined, gap* in time between the Fall of Barad-dūr and our Days is sufficient for 'literary credibility', even for readers acquainted with what is known or surmised of 'pre-history'. ---- * I imagine the gap to be about 6000 years : that is we are now at the end of the Fifth Age, if the Ages were of about the same length as S.A. and T.A. But they have, I think, quickened; and I imagine we are actually at the end of the Sixth Age, or in the Seventh." (Letter 211) |
10-29-2002, 11:47 PM | #6 |
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It is my understanding that Tolkien's original intent was to invent a mythology for England. I would assume that his myth extended to an unstated presumption that England's inhabitants descendants of those men of Middle Earth.
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11-03-2002, 03:05 PM | #8 |
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If...any of you are saying or Tolkien was stating that our world is middle-earth in it's later days and such, what about the End of Times? What about Aman?
Just wondering! Aylwen
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11-03-2002, 04:01 PM | #9 |
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Aman was removed from this world and put beyond our reach and our perception. So as far as we are concerned it is gone.
As for The End, the mythology has its own version of it.
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