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Mhoram · 01-30-2002, 02:18 AM

Anyone else ever wondered how gandalf could have eyebrows so thick that they stuck out beyond the brim of his hat?

Gayahithwen · 01-30-2002, 03:33 AM

now when you mentions it, I think I remember that.. hhmmmm... well, I have not a clue... maybe it has something to do with the fact that he is so old?? or something..

Sindalómiel · 01-30-2002, 04:44 AM

Maybe his hat had a very very tiny brim?
Ok, I know that's not much help. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Bad Fairy · 01-30-2002, 05:41 AM

hmmmmm......Im guessing he had to do plenty of back brushing andused a can of hairspray a day [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Rosie Posie Burrows · 01-30-2002, 11:18 AM

Hmm… You're right, it is a quite freaky. Maybe he is part Wooly Mammoth. He never seems to talk about his parents, he might be hiding something… [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
Incidentally, does anyone know what wizards actually are? Are they men who have learnt magic, or are they a different race altogether?
[img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

zifnab · 01-30-2002, 12:08 PM

Wizard are Istari sent over by the Valar to contest the power of Sauron, and to move Elves and Men and all living things of good will to valiant deeds. You should read the "Of the Rings of Power amd the Third Age/Silmarillion", and "The Istari/Unfinnished Tales". Their are also some threads on this subject in this forum, that might help you out.

zifnab · 01-30-2002, 12:10 PM

BTW-I have no idea why Gandalf's eyebrows are huge! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Enedhil · 01-30-2002, 04:19 PM

ROFL

i have to admit that bit made me pause; frown; frown; shrug; read on [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]...most peculiar way of describing them, is it not?

01-30-2002, 04:48 PM

There were five Istari sent by the Valars to assist in the overthrow of evil. They were under strict instructions not to match saurons power with power,or to dominate the races of Middle Earth thats why the Hobbits had to do all the dirty work ! Only three were ever mentioned by Tolkien Gandalf, Sauraman and Radagast. At the end of the Third Age they passed from sight, their work done. Gandalf going with the ringbearers and the others are believed to have returned to the West.

Mhoram · 01-30-2002, 10:47 PM

what's that got to do with eyebrows? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Hama · 01-31-2002, 10:36 AM

Maybe he plaited them or something, or used wax, like Salvador Dali's moustache

Carannillion · 02-02-2002, 04:38 AM

Actually, 'Istari' is the order, the wizards (Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast & the two others) are Maiar; lesser gods (or angels, if you like) of the same race as Sauron. They were - as the Valar - of the Ainur, only less powerful. They could also - also as the Valar - assume any form they wished (the Istari as old men, Melian as an Elf etc.)

Actually, there is quite a lot to be said, but I hope I didn't make it too hard. For more information, I'm sure there's a thread or to which delves deeper into it in the Books or
Books II forums. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Carannillion · 02-02-2002, 04:40 AM

As for the eyebrows, I have no idea. Eyebrows sticking out from under the brim of the hat I have in mind would be long enough to knit a couple of sweaters from... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Sindalómiel · 02-02-2002, 04:51 AM

And if the hat Tolkien meant was the same as the hat Gandalf wears in the movie, those are BIG eyebrows.

[ February 02, 2002: Message edited by: Sindalómiel ]

Turambar · 02-02-2002, 08:53 AM

I think the answer is - Tolkien EXAGERRATED! No way your eyebrows cd stick out past the brim of yor hat.

the_master_of_puppets · 02-02-2002, 12:36 PM

the eyebrows eh...well personally i think if gandalf can have long hair and beard why not long eyebrows? i mean: this is a mythical world. u know sauron and the 1 ring r fictional and so are hobbits and elves n stuff; so why cant gandalf have bushy eyebrows? if ur prepaired to enjoy the rest of it for fantacy why cant gandy have fantacy based eyebrows?!

soz if i sound nasty, i dont mean 2. nobody b offended pls...lol well bye [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

The Mirrorball Man · 02-02-2002, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by the_master_of_puppets:
if ur prepaired to enjoy the rest of it for fantacy why cant gandy have fantacy based eyebrows?!

Because if Gandalf had "eyebrows so thick that they stuck out beyond the brim of his hat", they would hide his face! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Ara'rial · 02-02-2002, 06:57 PM

Maybe his eyebrows are just a character thing, to distinguish him from all the others. I think it makes him Gandalf. When I see big white eyebrows now, I think of him.

zifnab · 02-02-2002, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ara'rial:
<STRONG>When I see big white eyebrows now, I think of him.</STRONG>

Well, when I think of Big white eyebrows and a big white bread, I think of Santa-Claus!!! Yes, Im still a kid at heart. I can almost see Gandalf riding the sleigh with all those lovely raindeer(of course Shadowfox, would be in their somewhere)shooting of fireworks on Chrismas Eve.

Man, I sure am a basket case!
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Ara'rial · 02-03-2002, 09:47 PM

Naw...one could think of Santa too. So the song would go....Shadowfax the Rohan Horsie...

Gayahithwen · 02-05-2002, 10:04 AM

Yeah.. Gandalf as Santa Claus.. hihi.. that would be fun.. But on the other hand, from now on, I will never ever be able to think about Santa Claus again without also remembering all the LotR series.. not sure what I wanna say with this post, though.. oh well.. Merry Christmas to you all!!

Galadriel55 · 03-24-2011, 09:40 PM

I don't think it says so in LOTR, but in HOME (yes, I've finally found a copy!

), in the prototype of the Moria chapters, after Gandalf fights the Balrog (as we later find out) at the exit of Mazarbul, he says to the Compay something like "I've burned an inch or so of my eyebrows".

Maybe Tolkien decided to omit this description of Gandalf's *cough* face, but forgot to take out the other reference...

Morthoron · 03-25-2011, 06:35 AM

Perhaps they weren't so much eyebrows as eyeboughs. Therefore, Gandalf shared some affinities with the Ents. Either that, or the Maiar in general had hirsute facial fecundity. Melian had some wicked sideburns, or so I've heard.

Galadriel · 03-25-2011, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayahithwen

Yeah.. Gandalf as Santa Claus.. hihi.. that would be fun.. But on the other hand, from now on, I will never ever be able to think about Santa Claus again without also remembering all the LotR series.. not sure what I wanna say with this post, though.. oh well.. Merry Christmas to you all!!

I wouldn't. I like my Santa squishy.

Galin · 07-21-2011, 09:50 AM

The description of Gandalf's eyebrows sticking out beyond the brim of his hat can also be found in A Long-expected Party in The Lord of the Rings.

Interestingly, for the 1960 Hobbit Tolkien altered the eyebrows beyond the brim to: 'But Gandalf looked at him from under his bushy eyebrows that bristled beneath the brim of his hat.' JRRT, the 1960 Hobbit, John Rateliff, The History of The Hobbit

As if he wanted the old description removed... but it remained in the ultimate edition of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings in any event.

Dead Mike · 07-21-2011, 09:58 AM

Gandalf's prowess with fire would make long eyebrows awfully dangerous

Galadriel · 07-21-2011, 10:51 AM

It was probably only one or two very long, jagged hairs and not the whole bush

Galadriel55 · 07-26-2011, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel

It was probably only one or two very long, jagged hairs and not the whole bush

Or maybe it's just that they look as if they stick out from a hobbit's perspective - waaaay down below.

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 07-26-2011, 11:11 PM

Maybe he just had old man evebrows. I saw this man on the Tube when I was in London who had ridiculously long eyebrow hairs, but he didn't have too many of them. A lot of older men have this. Perhaps this is what Tolkien was referring to?

Galadriel · 07-27-2011, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Or maybe it's just that they look as if they stick out from a hobbit's perspective - waaaay down below.

Yeah, but come on, beyond the brim of his hat?

Galadriel55 · 07-27-2011, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel

Yeah, but come on, beyond the brim of his hat?

If a hobbit is standing right next to Gandalf but facing away and looks up, they might see the eyebrows going out to at least the brimm of the hat, mayb a few hairs reaching beyond that. It's all about the perspective.

Galadriel · 07-27-2011, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

If a hobbit is standing right next to Gandalf but facing away and looks up, they might see the eyebrows going out to at least the brimm of the hat, mayb a few hairs reaching beyond that. It's all about the perspective.

Naw, mate, how long can eyebrows be even from that angle?

Anyway, I think we ought to stop this back-and-forth debate. It's getting nowhere >.<

Galadriel55 · 07-27-2011, 08:59 PM

I came across a similar topic discussed from a mirthlier point of view: http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=13881

FlimFlamSam · 08-04-2011, 06:38 AM

Mhoram spoke: [Anyone else ever wondered how gandalf could have eyebrows so thick that they stuck out beyond the brim of his hat?]

Ever seen David Lynch's Dune and the Mentats?
Poor Brad Dourif. In Dune he gets those shaggy things applied, then in Lord of the Rings he has to shave off what he does have!

David Wenzel did a pretty good job of showing them in The Hobbit comic adaptation if you still need a visual:

http//bddelasemaine.bleublog.lematin.ch/archive/2009/12/20/bilbo-le-hobbit-de-charles-dixon-et-david-t-wenzel.html

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Nerwen · 12-07-2011, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cathysmith07

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Selmo · 12-09-2011, 08:11 AM

A vaguely amusing discussion, but quite pointless.

Isn’t this just a bit of hyperbole?
It’s a wild exaggeration to emphasise that Gandalf’s eyebrows were very bushy, written in that way to delight The Hobbit’s target readership.
.

01-30-2002, 02:18 AM	#1
Mhoram Dead and Loving It Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The land of fast cars and loud guitars. Posts: 361	eyebrows Anyone else ever wondered how gandalf could have eyebrows so thick that they stuck out beyond the brim of his hat?

01-30-2002, 03:33 AM	#2
Gayahithwen Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The chat-room. Posts: 241	now when you mentions it, I think I remember that.. hhmmmm... well, I have not a clue... maybe it has something to do with the fact that he is so old?? or something.. __________________ Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he'll be a mile away - and barefoot.

01-30-2002, 04:44 AM	#3
Sindalómiel Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 109	Maybe his hat had a very very tiny brim? Ok, I know that's not much help. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ http://www.webspawner.com/users/rineee/Sidhwen.jpg An Eru mîriant i-Ardhon E-anniant În Iôn Er-edonnant, an er-pen aphadiant ú-gwanno, garir i-guil uireb

01-30-2002, 05:41 AM	#4
Bad Fairy Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Beneath the Misty Mountains Posts: 15	hmmmmm......Im guessing he had to do plenty of back brushing andused a can of hairspray a day [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] __________________ "Rise up, Witches, throw off your masks And cease crying guilt for ancient crimes; Earth and all her children need us, For ALL face now the Burning Times." - L. A. Hussey

01-30-2002, 11:18 AM	#5
Rosie Posie Burrows Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: England Posts: 11	Hmm… You're right, it is a quite freaky. Maybe he is part Wooly Mammoth. He never seems to talk about his parents, he might be hiding something… [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Incidentally, does anyone know what wizards actually are? Are they men who have learnt magic, or are they a different race altogether? [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "…For still there are so many things that I have never seen: in every wood in every spring there is a different green…"

01-30-2002, 12:08 PM	#6
zifnab Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: omni-presence Posts: 329	Wizard are Istari sent over by the Valar to contest the power of Sauron, and to move Elves and Men and all living things of good will to valiant deeds. You should read the "Of the Rings of Power amd the Third Age/Silmarillion", and "The Istari/Unfinnished Tales". Their are also some threads on this subject in this forum, that might help you out. __________________ Facebook.

01-30-2002, 12:10 PM	#7
zifnab Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: omni-presence Posts: 329	BTW-I have no idea why Gandalf's eyebrows are huge! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Facebook.

01-30-2002, 04:19 PM	#8
Enedhil Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 102	ROFL i have to admit that bit made me pause; frown; frown; shrug; read on [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]...most peculiar way of describing them, is it not? __________________ Meanwhile these three remain: Faith, Hope and Love. And the greatest of these is Love.

01-30-2002, 04:48 PM	#9
brian waugh Guest Posts: n/a	There were five Istari sent by the Valars to assist in the overthrow of evil. They were under strict instructions not to match saurons power with power,or to dominate the races of Middle Earth thats why the Hobbits had to do all the dirty work ! Only three were ever mentioned by Tolkien Gandalf, Sauraman and Radagast. At the end of the Third Age they passed from sight, their work done. Gandalf going with the ringbearers and the others are believed to have returned to the West.

01-30-2002, 10:47 PM	#10
Mhoram Dead and Loving It Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The land of fast cars and loud guitars. Posts: 361	what's that got to do with eyebrows? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

01-31-2002, 10:36 AM	#11
Hama Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Olde London Towne Posts: 23	Maybe he plaited them or something, or used wax, like Salvador Dali's moustache __________________ Fly you fools

02-02-2002, 04:38 AM	#12
Carannillion Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mici Firya Posts: 135	Actually, 'Istari' is the order, the wizards (Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast & the two others) are Maiar; lesser gods (or angels, if you like) of the same race as Sauron. They were - as the Valar - of the Ainur, only less powerful. They could also - also as the Valar - assume any form they wished (the Istari as old men, Melian as an Elf etc.) Actually, there is quite a lot to be said, but I hope I didn't make it too hard. For more information, I'm sure there's a thread or to which delves deeper into it in the Books or Books II forums. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ A cry for the people, but there's noone there to hear...

02-02-2002, 04:40 AM	#13
Carannillion Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mici Firya Posts: 135	As for the eyebrows, I have no idea. Eyebrows sticking out from under the brim of the hat I have in mind would be long enough to knit a couple of sweaters from... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ A cry for the people, but there's noone there to hear...

02-02-2002, 04:51 AM	#14
Sindalómiel Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 109	And if the hat Tolkien meant was the same as the hat Gandalf wears in the movie, those are BIG eyebrows. [ February 02, 2002: Message edited by: Sindalómiel ] __________________ http://www.webspawner.com/users/rineee/Sidhwen.jpg An Eru mîriant i-Ardhon E-anniant În Iôn Er-edonnant, an er-pen aphadiant ú-gwanno, garir i-guil uireb

02-02-2002, 08:53 AM	#15
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	I think the answer is - Tolkien EXAGERRATED! No way your eyebrows cd stick out past the brim of yor hat. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

02-02-2002, 12:36 PM	#16
the_master_of_puppets Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: scotland Posts: 77	the eyebrows eh...well personally i think if gandalf can have long hair and beard why not long eyebrows? i mean: this is a mythical world. u know sauron and the 1 ring r fictional and so are hobbits and elves n stuff; so why cant gandalf have bushy eyebrows? if ur prepaired to enjoy the rest of it for fantacy why cant gandy have fantacy based eyebrows?! soz if i sound nasty, i dont mean 2. nobody b offended pls...lol well bye [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

02-02-2002, 06:57 PM	#18
Ara'rial Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Under the Sun Posts: 13	Maybe his eyebrows are just a character thing, to distinguish him from all the others. I think it makes him Gandalf. When I see big white eyebrows now, I think of him. __________________ In the dark I hear a call Calling me there I will go there And back again...

02-03-2002, 09:47 PM	#20
Ara'rial Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Under the Sun Posts: 13	Naw...one could think of Santa too. So the song would go....Shadowfax the Rohan Horsie... __________________ In the dark I hear a call Calling me there I will go there And back again...

02-05-2002, 10:04 AM	#21
Gayahithwen Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The chat-room. Posts: 241	Yeah.. Gandalf as Santa Claus.. hihi.. that would be fun.. But on the other hand, from now on, I will never ever be able to think about Santa Claus again without also remembering all the LotR series.. not sure what I wanna say with this post, though.. oh well.. Merry Christmas to you all!! __________________ Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he'll be a mile away - and barefoot.

03-24-2011, 09:40 PM	#22
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,380	I don't think it says so in LOTR, but in HOME (yes, I've finally found a copy! ), in the prototype of the Moria chapters, after Gandalf fights the Balrog (as we later find out) at the exit of Mazarbul, he says to the Compay something like "I've burned an inch or so of my eyebrows". Maybe Tolkien decided to omit this description of Gandalf's cough face, but forgot to take out the other reference... __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-25-2011, 06:35 AM	#23
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,508	Perhaps they weren't so much eyebrows as eyeboughs. Therefore, Gandalf shared some affinities with the Ents. Either that, or the Maiar in general had hirsute facial fecundity. Melian had some wicked sideburns, or so I've heard. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

07-21-2011, 09:50 AM	#25
Galin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,034	The description of Gandalf's eyebrows sticking out beyond the brim of his hat can also be found in A Long-expected Party in The Lord of the Rings. Interestingly, for the 1960 Hobbit Tolkien altered the eyebrows beyond the brim to: 'But Gandalf looked at him from under his bushy eyebrows that bristled beneath the brim of his hat.' JRRT, the 1960 Hobbit, John Rateliff, The History of The Hobbit As if he wanted the old description removed... but it remained in the ultimate edition of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings in any event.

07-21-2011, 09:58 AM	#26
Dead Mike Newly Deceased Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Francisco, ca Posts: 3	Gandalf's prowess with fire would make long eyebrows awfully dangerous

07-21-2011, 10:51 AM	#27
Galadriel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: In Eldamar beside the walls of Elven Tirion Posts: 551	It was probably only one or two very long, jagged hairs and not the whole bush __________________ "Hey! Come derry dol! Can you hear me singing?" – Tom Bombadil

07-26-2011, 11:11 PM	#29
TheGreatElvenWarrior Mighty Quill Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Walking off to look for America Posts: 2,230	Maybe he just had old man evebrows. I saw this man on the Tube when I was in London who had ridiculously long eyebrow hairs, but he didn't have too many of them. A lot of older men have this. Perhaps this is what Tolkien was referring to? __________________ The Party Doesn't Start Until You're Dead.

07-27-2011, 08:59 PM	#33
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,380	I came across a similar topic discussed from a mirthlier point of view: http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=13881 __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

08-04-2011, 06:38 AM	#34
FlimFlamSam Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 25	Trimming the Verge Mhoram spoke: [Anyone else ever wondered how gandalf could have eyebrows so thick that they stuck out beyond the brim of his hat?] Ever seen David Lynch's Dune and the Mentats? Poor Brad Dourif. In Dune he gets those shaggy things applied, then in Lord of the Rings he has to shave off what he does have! David Wenzel did a pretty good job of showing them in The Hobbit comic adaptation if you still need a visual: http//bddelasemaine.bleublog.lematin.ch/archive/2009/12/20/bilbo-le-hobbit-de-charles-dixon-et-david-t-wenzel.html

12-07-2011, 04:02 AM	#35
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12-09-2011, 08:11 AM	#37
Selmo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Shire (Staffordshire), United Kingdom Posts: 273	A vaguely amusing discussion, but quite pointless. Isn’t this just a bit of hyperbole? It’s a wild exaggeration to emphasise that Gandalf’s eyebrows were very bushy, written in that way to delight The Hobbit’s target readership. .