Where were the Important Folks - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

04-14-2004, 09:12 PM

In the Last Alliance with Men and Elves........where was Glorfindel, Gandalf,Legolas, and Haldir? Were they fighting another battle off somewhere else? these people didnt appear in this section of the book and i am curious as to where these people are at this moment in time when others like Elrond and Gil-Galad are in battle against Saroun. Now if anyone knows the TRUTH and not just making it up please tell me .

04-15-2004, 02:16 AM

Well Gandalf dosen't even appear in Middle Earth for another 1000 years after the Last Alliance (He comes from Valinor sent by the Valar.) Glorfindel probably came with him. As for Legolas and Haldir, they may have been at that battle, we're not told, they may not even have been born at that point. On a side note Legolas' grandfather, Oropher was at the Battle of the Last Alliance.

***Sharkû*** · 04-15-2004, 08:06 AM

As you might have noticed, said section of the book isn't terribly detailed. You'd have to make up your own mind whether unimportant people like Haldir were there or not.

Legolas · 04-16-2004, 11:44 PM

Ar-Wilson the Mighty is right.

Gandalf did not arrive in Middle-earth until 1000 years into the Third Age; the Last Alliance was the conclusion of the Second Age.

Glorfindel died late in the First Age in the Fall of Gondolin and was not sent back to Middle-earth until the Third Age, possibly with Gandalf and the other four wizards.

It seems likely that Legolas was not born yet or was too young to go since he makes no mention of having been to Mordor previously in the conversations found in The Lord of the Rings. Either way, he would not have been an 'important' figure at that time.

It's not certain that Haldir was alive either, but he was not an important character at any point in the story. Mentioning his involvement would be of little value to the narrative.

Gorwingel · 04-18-2004, 02:07 AM

Doesn't it say somewhere (I can't recall currently at this time), that Legolas was one of the few elves to be born in the third age? (which would mean that he was not born at the time of the Last Alliance)

If Haldir was alive at the time. He most likely would have been there. I could just not see him sitting out of a battle such as that one.

But with Haldir we truthfully just don't know... So if you would like him to have been there he can be

NightKnight · 04-18-2004, 04:22 AM

Is it mentioned that the elves of Lorien went with the Last Alliance? If not, I don't think Haldir was there.

Osse · 04-18-2004, 05:54 PM

Lorien did not exist (as we know it from the WoTR) during that time, Galadriel and Celeborn had not yet taken up abode there (if i am correct!) and the elvish population of lorien were silvan elves, who may or may not have attended the battle; they probably did... but really, Haldir was another interesting minor character who had only a small part in the history of Middle Earth.

It's more likely that the small ammount of elves in lorien ran up their trees and hid at the first sight of trouble, they'd be even more rustic than Thranduil's people.

<Wades back out into the waves>

Ossë

Silver Dragon · 04-20-2004, 05:49 PM

Where did you people get your information? I haven't read half of that, and I thought I'd read the books pretty thoroughly.

04-14-2004, 09:12 PM	#1
minerva Guest Posts: n/a	Where were the Important Folks In the Last Alliance with Men and Elves........where was Glorfindel, Gandalf,Legolas, and Haldir? Were they fighting another battle off somewhere else? these people didnt appear in this section of the book and i am curious as to where these people are at this moment in time when others like Elrond and Gil-Galad are in battle against Saroun. Now if anyone knows the TRUTH and not just making it up please tell me .

04-16-2004, 11:44 PM	#4
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Ar-Wilson the Mighty is right. Gandalf did not arrive in Middle-earth until 1000 years into the Third Age; the Last Alliance was the conclusion of the Second Age. Glorfindel died late in the First Age in the Fall of Gondolin and was not sent back to Middle-earth until the Third Age, possibly with Gandalf and the other four wizards. It seems likely that Legolas was not born yet or was too young to go since he makes no mention of having been to Mordor previously in the conversations found in The Lord of the Rings. Either way, he would not have been an 'important' figure at that time. It's not certain that Haldir was alive either, but he was not an important character at any point in the story. Mentioning his involvement would be of little value to the narrative. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

04-18-2004, 02:07 AM	#5
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	Doesn't it say somewhere (I can't recall currently at this time), that Legolas was one of the few elves to be born in the third age? (which would mean that he was not born at the time of the Last Alliance) If Haldir was alive at the time. He most likely would have been there. I could just not see him sitting out of a battle such as that one. But with Haldir we truthfully just don't know... So if you would like him to have been there he can be __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

04-18-2004, 04:22 AM	#6
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Is it mentioned that the elves of Lorien went with the Last Alliance? If not, I don't think Haldir was there. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-18-2004, 05:54 PM	#7
Osse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Encircling Sea, deciding which ship to ruin next...could be yours. Posts: 274	Lorien did not exist (as we know it from the WoTR) during that time, Galadriel and Celeborn had not yet taken up abode there (if i am correct!) and the elvish population of lorien were silvan elves, who may or may not have attended the battle; they probably did... but really, Haldir was another interesting minor character who had only a small part in the history of Middle Earth. It's more likely that the small ammount of elves in lorien ran up their trees and hid at the first sight of trouble, they'd be even more rustic than Thranduil's people. <Wades back out into the waves> Ossë __________________ 'A thinking tyrant, it seemed to Vetinari, had a much harder job than a ruler raised to power by some idiot system like democracy. At least HE could tell the people he was THEIR fault.'

04-15-2004, 02:16 AM	#2
Ar-Wilson the Mighty Guest Posts: n/a	Well Gandalf dosen't even appear in Middle Earth for another 1000 years after the Last Alliance (He comes from Valinor sent by the Valar.) Glorfindel probably came with him. As for Legolas and Haldir, they may have been at that battle, we're not told, they may not even have been born at that point. On a side note Legolas' grandfather, Oropher was at the Battle of the Last Alliance.

04-15-2004, 08:06 AM	#3
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	As you might have noticed, said section of the book isn't terribly detailed. You'd have to make up your own mind whether unimportant people like Haldir were there or not.

04-20-2004, 05:49 PM	#8
Silver Dragon Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Arg-eth Posts: 35	Where did you people get your information? I haven't read half of that, and I thought I'd read the books pretty thoroughly. __________________ "One is one and all alone and evermore shall be it so."