Orcs or goblins? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

vanwalossien · 10-25-2002, 07:06 AM

Sorry if this is an amazingly stupid question, but hey, it's posted at the novices and newcomers for a reason. The Uruk-hai are what? In the movie Saruman says that they're a mix of orcs and goblins, but goblins and orcs always seemed like two names for one race to me.. Am I completely lost as usual? What's the difference between goblins and orcs?

avarrogion · 10-25-2002, 07:35 AM

Well vanwalossien, i think in the movie Saruman said that Uruks are crossed between Orcs and the men of Gondor (someone pls clarify this) but i might be mistaken.
Saruman did also mentioned that how orcs were came to be. Orcs are actually Elves but tortured to the max and disfigured plus instilled with hatred and darkness so that they are evil. Yet again i might be mistaken but i juz love to give my thoughts into it hipe you don`t mind?
I dunno much about goblins but i think goblins are smaller in size than orcs (got this info by playing Magic: The Gathering) but much more cunning than Orcs. Some fantasy books which i read mentioned that Orcs are quite clumsy but deals heavy damage in battles therefore they are used as warriors or footmen in battles. Meanwhile Goblins are more like creatures of the night cunning thieves of imformation and properties so most people uses Goblins as scouts and spies plus thieves. Yet agin i might be wrong with all this infomation so kindly anyone help me out here!! Thank you juz helping sorry if i am wrong!
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Arwen1858 · 10-25-2002, 11:16 AM

I thought Orcs were the same thing as goblins, but while reading the Hobbit yesterday, I started wondering. It said something to the effect of Orcs from under the mountain, and for some reason I got the impression that they were a little different... bigger perhaps? I'll look through the book and see if I can find it...
Arwen

Arwen1858 · 10-25-2002, 11:22 AM

Something I found interesting was the sword Orcrist. It means goblin cleaver, which would lead me to believe Orcs and Goblins are the same. I'm still looking for that part in The Hobbit I was talking about...
Arwen

Arwen1858 · 10-25-2002, 11:35 AM

Here's the link to a good essay explaining why Tolkien used both terms goblin and Orc. Since it wasn't written by him, I don't know that it would be considered 'canon,' but it's good anyways. Relationship between goblins and Orcs
Arwen

Demloth of Dol Amroth · 10-25-2002, 11:42 AM

personally, i call them annoying-screamy thingies-that-can-be-slain-quite-easily, but thats just me.

avarrogion · 10-25-2002, 09:29 PM

Thanx for the link Arwen1858 it sure do clear my mind about the difference between orcs and goblins. Thag U Very Bunch.
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Gayametwen · 10-26-2002, 02:47 AM

From what I gather...Uruk-hai are just one of the breeds of Orcs..and orcs are different from goblins....because well....they ARE different...They are different breeds, they are also bred by different people...like Saruman or Sauron. Somewhwere in the book..I couldn't find the precice page..but some orcs have powers over others...like the one that was sniffing for sent, and the other in charge of it, different 'groups' and all that... Sorry..I can't seem to find the right book...

vanwalossien · 10-27-2002, 02:15 PM

Thanks for your help Arwen!

Tyler · 11-24-2002, 01:47 PM

I always took it as goblins lived in the mountains while orcs were more free range. Thay are the same thing but their have adapted to their enviroment. Goblins were smaller so thay could move better in smaller places which would give them the advantage or being underground. Orcs were bigger so thay could dominate things around them. Hey i could be very wrong in this but oh well.

the witch king · 11-29-2002, 12:11 PM

there the same thing! j.r.r.t. used them both for the same thing orcs=goblins goblins=orcs

10-25-2002, 07:06 AM	#1
vanwalossien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: middle of Nowhere/Norway Posts: 372	Orcs or goblins? Sorry if this is an amazingly stupid question, but hey, it's posted at the novices and newcomers for a reason. The Uruk-hai are what? In the movie Saruman says that they're a mix of orcs and goblins, but goblins and orcs always seemed like two names for one race to me.. Am I completely lost as usual? What's the difference between goblins and orcs? __________________ "The ships hung in the air in much the same way as bricks don't"

10-25-2002, 07:35 AM	#2
avarrogion Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 120	Well vanwalossien, i think in the movie Saruman said that Uruks are crossed between Orcs and the men of Gondor (someone pls clarify this) but i might be mistaken. Saruman did also mentioned that how orcs were came to be. Orcs are actually Elves but tortured to the max and disfigured plus instilled with hatred and darkness so that they are evil. Yet again i might be mistaken but i juz love to give my thoughts into it hipe you don`t mind? I dunno much about goblins but i think goblins are smaller in size than orcs (got this info by playing Magic: The Gathering) but much more cunning than Orcs. Some fantasy books which i read mentioned that Orcs are quite clumsy but deals heavy damage in battles therefore they are used as warriors or footmen in battles. Meanwhile Goblins are more like creatures of the night cunning thieves of imformation and properties so most people uses Goblins as scouts and spies plus thieves. Yet agin i might be wrong with all this infomation so kindly anyone help me out here!! Thank you juz helping sorry if i am wrong! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ I might have been a slasher but I never killed children, only real men!...A mistake cannot make right by another mistake... ~Kenshin Himura~

10-25-2002, 11:16 AM	#3
Arwen1858 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gondor Posts: 516	I thought Orcs were the same thing as goblins, but while reading the Hobbit yesterday, I started wondering. It said something to the effect of Orcs from under the mountain, and for some reason I got the impression that they were a little different... bigger perhaps? I'll look through the book and see if I can find it... Arwen __________________ Will Turner: "This is either madness or brilliance." Jack Sparrow: "It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide." ~ Pirates of the Caribbean

10-25-2002, 11:22 AM	#4
Arwen1858 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gondor Posts: 516	Something I found interesting was the sword Orcrist. It means goblin cleaver, which would lead me to believe Orcs and Goblins are the same. I'm still looking for that part in The Hobbit I was talking about... Arwen __________________ Will Turner: "This is either madness or brilliance." Jack Sparrow: "It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide." ~ Pirates of the Caribbean

10-25-2002, 11:35 AM	#5
Arwen1858 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gondor Posts: 516	Here's the link to a good essay explaining why Tolkien used both terms goblin and Orc. Since it wasn't written by him, I don't know that it would be considered 'canon,' but it's good anyways. Relationship between goblins and Orcs Arwen __________________ Will Turner: "This is either madness or brilliance." Jack Sparrow: "It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide." ~ Pirates of the Caribbean

10-25-2002, 11:42 AM	#6
Demloth of Dol Amroth Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 105	personally, i call them annoying-screamy thingies-that-can-be-slain-quite-easily, but thats just me. __________________ One by one the Free Lands of Middle Earth fell to the power of the Ring-but there were some, who resisted...

10-25-2002, 09:29 PM	#7
avarrogion Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 120	Thanx for the link Arwen1858 it sure do clear my mind about the difference between orcs and goblins. Thag U Very Bunch. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ I might have been a slasher but I never killed children, only real men!...A mistake cannot make right by another mistake... ~Kenshin Himura~

10-26-2002, 02:47 AM	#8
Gayametwen Pile O'Bones Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Rivendell sigh or Mirkwood..or..... Posts: 16	From what I gather...Uruk-hai are just one of the breeds of Orcs..and orcs are different from goblins....because well....they ARE different...They are different breeds, they are also bred by different people...like Saruman or Sauron. Somewhwere in the book..I couldn't find the precice page..but some orcs have powers over others...like the one that was sniffing for sent, and the other in charge of it, different 'groups' and all that... Sorry..I can't seem to find the right book... __________________ http://imagemagician.com/images/pbnai/ash.jpg ^^ Muahaha! shudders I'm supposed to be Gandalf living in Rivendell! MSN: cheeziestcheezer@hotmail.com

10-27-2002, 02:15 PM	#9
vanwalossien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: middle of Nowhere/Norway Posts: 372	Thanks for your help Arwen! __________________ "The ships hung in the air in much the same way as bricks don't"

11-24-2002, 01:47 PM	#10
Tyler Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 37	I always took it as goblins lived in the mountains while orcs were more free range. Thay are the same thing but their have adapted to their enviroment. Goblins were smaller so thay could move better in smaller places which would give them the advantage or being underground. Orcs were bigger so thay could dominate things around them. Hey i could be very wrong in this but oh well. __________________ Not all who wander are lost. -Tolkien

11-29-2002, 12:11 PM	#11
the witch king Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Minas Morgul, Morgul Vale, Mordor Posts: 201	there the same thing! j.r.r.t. used them both for the same thing orcs=goblins goblins=orcs __________________ 'Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.'~ Che Guevara.