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You are on the right general track but lots of incorrect things in your answer. And I am not really clear about which lines you are referring to in your guess, except -
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Reposting on new page. A whole page of guesses for the same riddle!
![]() The oldest one, the nameless one, Did not know warmth of shining sun. But in the darkness shone the stars, And in their light, from countries far The Second came in second's turn - But, in the end, though day was won, Who twice had torched, third time must burn. But better known in tale of years The younger sisters - one for tears, And one for joy, resounding joy Which yet failed darkness to destroy; But peace was guarded well, until Twixt triumph great and ruin great - But stopping short of western hills - A burst reversed the tides of fate, Breaking resistance, kindling dread, Incinerating every shred Of estel in the lord now dead Whose line was estel to beget. I'm not the least, but I'm the last. The closing rage of hardships past, Of foes and heroes both long gone. You cannot count us on one hand - Though brief our line, 'tis yet too long, And we destroyed our motherland. I am the end. I am the start. I split the thread of time apart.
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Okay, now I am confused. That type of comment is usually made when it's something I am super-infested in, but you said it's not Feanor and company and you also said it's not Turin & company, and the lines don't sound like they are describing Maeglin and company either.
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Well, actually, I'd love to be infested by Feanors and Turins.
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Oh, and I misread the name. It's not Dagor Aglareb, but Dagor Bragollach.
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Yes. Aglareb also had a bit of a firework display IIRC, but Bragollach was the more impressive one.
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Okay, I now think I can explain the riddle. Or at least some parts of it.
The oldest one, the nameless one, Did not know warmth of shining sun. But in the darkness shone the stars, And in their light, from countries far The Second came in second's turn - But, in the end, though day was won, Who twice had torched, third time must burn. - Feanor But better known in tale of years The younger sisters - one for tears, And one for joy, resounding joy Which yet failed darkness to destroy; But peace was guarded well, until Twixt triumph great and ruin great - But stopping short of western hills - A burst reversed the tides of fate, Breaking resistance, kindling dread, - Dagor Bragollach Incinerating every shred Of estel in the lord now dead Whose line was estel to beget. - Fingolfin I'm not the least, but I'm the last. The closing rage of hardships past, Of foes and heroes both long gone. You cannot count us on one hand - Though brief our line, 'tis yet too long, And we destroyed our motherland. - Orcs, who destroyed Beleriand I am the end. I am the start. I split the thread of time apart.
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Well, Feanor amd Fingolfin you had before, now you have Dagor Bragollach, but the main question of who is I and who are "we" (i.e. the group) remain in shadow. They are not Orcs.
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It looks to me like the group can be placed on the timeline of the First Age:
"The oldest one, the nameless one" "The [Noldor] came in second's turn" Then Feanor dies. "younger sister... one for tears" - interestingly, there's nothing to say where this sister falls in the timeline. "And one for joy, resounding joy" Then "peace was guarded well". Then the Dagor Bragollach takes up most of the second stanza, with Fingolfin's death. "I'm not the least, but I'm the last" Then "we destroyed our motherland", which means the motherland (Beleriand?) must have existed until the last's time. That's five clearly marked members of the group - but the poem also says "You cannot count us on one hand". hS
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Precisely. I knew you knew what you're talking about with your first post (though I should make a correction - technically 5 words, not 3). The answer is yours to claim - but if you are deferring to Urwen for the final step, Urwen, I suggest you read Hui's post very closely.
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I think that the 'joy' sister is Lalwen.
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So if the riddle is literal, then maybe the group members literally have underlined names. But that post also says that 'the last' may be more than one person, suggesting Amrod and Amras...
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Also, how about a compromise? If I don't get it after three days, then Huey can post his answer.
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No, no, no..... getting colder again. No to Lalwen, no to all of Fingolfin's sisters, cousins, aunts, uncles, nephews, nieces, and other relations. Fingolfin is NOT PART OF THE GROUP. Nor are his various family members. Fingolfin is only there as part of the events of the Bragollach.
The last is "I", singular. "We/us" is the group in its entirety.
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Well, it isn't Ainur, Elves, Men or Orcs...q.q
Also, technically, all of these races except Orcs are part of Fingolfin's relations. And Orcs could be too, both because they were once Elves and...well, if the rumor is true about Meglin being a half-Orc...
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Well, I just so happen to have a theory...
Ents, perhaps? In which case, the person of joy could be Merry...but then who is the one for tears? And ents don't have a nameless one, but Dwarves do, the first one whom Aule wanted to smash...but there are no sisters there...and neither ents nor Dwarves destroyed their homeland. Valar could be blamed for the sinking of Beleriand, but you said it's not them...unless... *goes to check something out*
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What can I say? You have already pointed out the problems with those guesses yourself.
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Maybe it's the Battles themselves? The first unnamed Battle between Valar and Morgoth, then Dagor nuin Gilliath, then Dagor Aglareb, which could stand for joy, then Dagor Bragollach, then Nirnaeth, which is obviously tears, and finally, the War of Wrath, which destroyed Beleriand.
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Well, as it happens, I already had a riddle prepared. This one is likewise based on a song, with few alterations
It's the choices that I made And the paths I didn't take That led to this fate I should've let them close the gate All the things that I've done And the ones that I helped break All the wrongs I've done My fate is cold and bleak Every obstacle on the road Every branching path Means a choice I wish I didn't make I wish I chose a different path to take It was so hard to see ahead Though behind it all, my path was clear If I'd only known that then But there is no start again I cannot erase the stains On the life I have lead They tried to warn me But I didn't heed their warnings For I was too blind to see All the things I can't forget All the harm that I've done When I failed to be a friend When I broke but did not mend Could I learn the lesson there Could I do more than just regret I should have known who was right I should've listened
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The predominant theme of the riddle is repeatedly regretting choices and poor outcomes, which means TURIN has to be guessed at some point as being the character with most to regret in that sense.
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I wonder if the gate in line 4 is literal? That could point more towards Feanor, specifically the part where he chatted with Melkor at the gate of Formenos. hS
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Sorry, Huey, but G55 has it.
Yes, the line 4 is literal, but it refers to Nargothrond's gate.
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That was what I thought, but wasn't sure because as I recall it was more about the bridge.
Anyways, Hui, if you wanna have a go, it's yours. You've had pretty mich equal claim to both past riddles, and I just had a turn.
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Would anyone else consider this?
I don't want this to turn into 'one person is giving riddles and everyone else is guessing' thread.
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If someone else has a riddle ready, go for it. I just have a patch of busy IRL, and though I've thought of a seedling of an idea for a riddle, I haven't been able to formulate it yet. So if anyone wants to take the floor, go for it.
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Well, I can wait until someone else has it ready.
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Okay, I've struggled with this one for several days, but I think maybe brevity is the answer here:
The choice is mine: The victor who failed, The line that failed, Or the law that failed. Which? hS
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First line reminds me of Isildur, winning against Sauron in combat, but failing to destroy the Ring. Meanwhile, line three reminds me of Miriel, who had the law on her side, but got usurped anyway...
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Hm, is it Phary? All the lines fit him...
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(Ar-)Pharazon has nothing to do with this riddle, and the question is about a choice. You need to figure out which of the three the speaker chose.
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So someone had to choose between the three that were mentioned in other three lines?
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The choice is mine:
The victor who failed, - ??? The line that failed, - Line of Isildur Or the law that failed. - Aldarion's law, possibly Which?
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