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Arestevana · 10-20-2003, 05:10 PM

This is a great quiz question. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Is the answer connected to what the objects are made of?

[ October 20, 2003: Message edited by: Arestevana ]

Telchar · 10-21-2003, 12:35 AM

Gurthang was not made of a 'earthly' metal ?
That is somthing fallen from the sky?

Im grasping here... [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Estanesse · 10-21-2003, 03:38 AM

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Is the answer connected to what the objects are made of?

Only Nenya is connected with the other objects because of what it is made of.

Arestevana · 10-21-2003, 04:30 PM

Anduril is the one driving me up the wall.
There are so many tricky little variations to this question. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
Dwarves fought a battle over all but Gurthang?

Estanesse · 10-24-2003, 03:39 AM

Nope

NightKnight · 10-24-2003, 01:22 PM

All of them had mithril in them except for Gurthang?

Estanesse · 10-24-2003, 01:28 PM

Nope, the only Item of mithril is Nenya.

[ October 24, 2003: Message edited by: Estanesse ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-24-2003, 09:16 PM

OK, in an effort to resolve this impasse, I shall make a guess. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Dwarves had a hand in the making of all of them except Gurthang.

Anduril or before it was reforged Narsil: Narsil was forged by the Dwarf-smith (and renowned forum member [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ) Telchar.
Thingol’s Silmaril: was fashioned into a necklace, the Nauglamir, by Dwarves.
Dragon-helm of Dor-lómin: was also made by Telchar, a Dwarf.
Nenya: was made of mithril which, presumably, was mined by Dwarves.
Arkenstone: was mined, and thereafter fashioned, by Dwarves.

Gurthang, on the other hand, was forged by the Elven-smith Eol, and no Dwarf had a hand in its making.

Estanesse · 10-25-2003, 12:26 PM

[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Your turn Sauce

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-28-2003, 07:51 PM

Thank you, Estanesse. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Axe
Helmet
Knife
Ring
Sword
Whip

Finwe · 10-28-2003, 08:35 PM

Helmet because all of the others are types of weapons, whereas a helmet can't really be used as a weapon (unless you're truly desperate!) and is a form of defensive armor.

NightKnight · 10-29-2003, 04:35 AM

Ring, because all others were used as weapons in the Battle of Gondolin.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-29-2003, 08:48 AM

There is no correct answer yet.

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Ring, because all others were used as weapons in the Battle of Gondolin.

No, but the battle of Gondolin is (partly) relevant ...

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... a helmet can't really be used as a weapon (unless you're truly desperate!)

Hmm. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-02-2003, 01:27 PM

OK, time for a hint or two:

Axe
Helmet
Knife
Ring: The One Ring
Sword: Glamdring
Whip

Finwe · 11-02-2003, 03:57 PM

Ring because all of the others were used in the Fall of Gondolin at some point.

Axe --> Tuor's Axe
Helmet --> Ecthelion's Helmet (or Glorfindel's Helmet)
Knife --> The knife that Maeglin tried to kill Earendil with
Sword --> Glamdring, Turgon's sword
Whip --> Balrog whips

[ November 02, 2003: Message edited by: Finwe ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-04-2003, 06:14 PM

No, but you have the right Helmet and Whip.

Axe
Helmet: Ecthelion's Helmet
Knife
Ring: The One Ring
Sword: Glamdring
Whip: Balrog's Whip

NightKnight · 11-05-2003, 03:01 AM

Just to complete the list, I'll guess at Dramborleg as the axe, and Angrist as the knife.
No idea which the oio is though.

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-05-2003, 07:00 PM

No, those are not the items I was thinking of. In fact the knife is Wormtongue's knife and there's no specific axe.

All of which should really give it away ...

Axe: Any Axe
Helmet: Ecthelion's Helmet
Knife: Wormtongue's Knife
Ring: The One Ring
Sword: Glamdring
Whip: Balrog's Whip

Finwe · 11-06-2003, 06:35 PM

The Ring because:

1) It wasn't used to kill anyone.

or

2) It had no visible ornaments.

Estanesse · 11-07-2003, 10:13 AM

Axe because all other items are just as a weapon against a Maia or just as a weapon by a Maia.

[ November 07, 2003: Message edited by: Estanesse ]

Finwe · 11-07-2003, 10:33 AM

Wormtongue's a Maia????

Estanesse · 11-07-2003, 10:36 AM

nope but Saruman is

Finwe · 11-07-2003, 10:17 PM

Ah, right, forgive me!

Helmet because it was the only "weapon" not made or used by a Dark Lord or the Forces of Darkness.

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-07-2003, 11:03 PM

Estanesse is close enough. The answer is that they were all intrinsically involved in the death of a Maiar except the Axe.

Ecthelion's Helmet helped seal Gothmog's fate.
Wormtongue's Knife of course dealt a fatal blow to Saruman.
The destruction of the One Ring caused Sauron's demise.
Gandalf used Glamdring in vanquishing the Moria Balrog.
And the Balrog's Whip pulled Gandalf down to further combat, resulting in his death.

As far as I know, there is no reference to an Axe having been used to kill a Maiar.

Well done, Estanesse. Please continue. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Telchar · 11-08-2003, 07:25 AM

As far as I remember, Tuor was said to have killed one or two Balrogs in the early development of the writing of The Fall of Gondolin, and he fought with an axe... but doesnt matter - was a good question. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Finwe · 11-08-2003, 02:09 PM

(Just nitpicking here)

Also, in the early stages, one of the leaders of the Houses of Gondolin, named Rog, also wielded an Axe, along with most of his House. Who knows, between them and Tuor, they could have gotten a few Balrog chappies!

Eowyn:Lady of Rohan · 11-08-2003, 06:46 PM

Next question please!

Estanesse · 11-10-2003, 04:08 AM

Thank you Sauce [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Silmaril
Glamdring
Vilya
Gúthwinë
Gurthang

Telchar · 11-10-2003, 10:14 AM

Gúthwinë didnt shine ?

Estanesse · 11-11-2003, 04:01 PM

Yes that's true, but gurthang also (the black sword) didn’t.

Telchar · 11-11-2003, 05:58 PM

I guess this is really annoying, but I cant help it...

Estanesse:

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Yes that's true, but gurthang also (the black sword) didn’t.

SILM:

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The sword Anglachel was forged anew for him by cunning smiths of Nargothrond, and though ever black its edges shone with pale fire; and he named it Gurthang, Iron of Death.

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Then Túrin sprang about, and strode against him, and the edges of Gurthang shone as with flame; but Glaurung withheld his blast,....

Finwe · 11-11-2003, 08:08 PM

Guthwine did not pass through Elven hands, or come into contact with Elves (Gurthang killed Beleg).

Estanesse · 11-12-2003, 02:22 PM

It is not the answer I’m looking for Finwe, but it has some similarity

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I guess this is really annoying, but I cant help it...

It is [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]but I can’t blame you for being right

Telchar · 11-12-2003, 03:09 PM

Guthwine is assigned to one person only?

Silmaril / Feanor, Thingol, Earendil ect
Glamdring / Turgon, Gandalf
Vilya / Gil-Galad, Elrond
Gúthwinë / Eomer!!!
Gurthang / Beleg, Turin

...or... Guthwine because the other had 'mates'

Silmaril / ...the two other Silmarils
Glamdring / Orchrist
Vilya / Nenya, Narya
Gúthwinë / NONE!!!
Gurthang / Anguirel

[ November 12, 2003: Message edited by: Telchar ]

Finwe · 11-12-2003, 07:46 PM

Guthwine was the only one that wasn't made by the Elves.

[ November 12, 2003: Message edited by: Finwe ]

Estanesse · 11-13-2003, 07:48 AM

Telchar’s first answer is,

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Guthwine is assigned to one person only

Wrong but his explanation is almost correct.

Hint* delete some names and add a name.

[ November 13, 2003: Message edited by: Estanesse ]

Estanesse · 11-29-2003, 11:40 AM

Anyone?? It is not hard this question [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
(Not to hard [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] )

NightKnight · 11-29-2003, 01:16 PM

Put in Celebrimbor in the Vilya one?

Estanesse · 11-30-2003, 07:54 AM

Nope

12-02-2003, 12:14 PM

Guthwine because it is the only one who's owner wasn't slain in battle...

10-21-2003, 12:35 AM	#322
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Gurthang was not made of a 'earthly' metal ? That is somthing fallen from the sky? Im grasping here... [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-24-2003, 03:39 AM	#325
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	Nope __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

10-24-2003, 01:22 PM	#326
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	All of them had mithril in them except for Gurthang? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

10-24-2003, 01:28 PM	#327
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	Nope, the only Item of mithril is Nenya. [ October 24, 2003: Message edited by: Estanesse ] __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

10-24-2003, 09:16 PM	#328
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	OK, in an effort to resolve this impasse, I shall make a guess. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] Dwarves had a hand in the making of all of them except Gurthang. Anduril or before it was reforged Narsil: Narsil was forged by the Dwarf-smith (and renowned forum member [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ) Telchar. Thingol’s Silmaril: was fashioned into a necklace, the Nauglamir, by Dwarves. Dragon-helm of Dor-lómin: was also made by Telchar, a Dwarf. Nenya: was made of mithril which, presumably, was mined by Dwarves. Arkenstone: was mined, and thereafter fashioned, by Dwarves. Gurthang, on the other hand, was forged by the Elven-smith Eol, and no Dwarf had a hand in its making. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-20-2003, 05:10 PM	#321
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	This is a great quiz question. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Is the answer connected to what the objects are made of? [ October 20, 2003: Message edited by: Arestevana ]

10-21-2003, 04:30 PM	#324
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	Anduril is the one driving me up the wall. There are so many tricky little variations to this question. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Dwarves fought a battle over all but Gurthang?

10-25-2003, 12:26 PM	#329
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Your turn Sauce __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

10-28-2003, 07:51 PM	#330
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Thank you, Estanesse. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Axe Helmet Knife Ring Sword Whip __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-28-2003, 08:35 PM	#331
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Helmet because all of the others are types of weapons, whereas a helmet can't really be used as a weapon (unless you're truly desperate!) and is a form of defensive armor. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

10-29-2003, 04:35 AM	#332
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Ring, because all others were used as weapons in the Battle of Gondolin. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

11-02-2003, 01:27 PM	#334
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	OK, time for a hint or two: Axe Helmet Knife Ring: The One Ring Sword: Glamdring Whip __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

11-02-2003, 03:57 PM	#335
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Ring because all of the others were used in the Fall of Gondolin at some point. Axe --> Tuor's Axe Helmet --> Ecthelion's Helmet (or Glorfindel's Helmet) Knife --> The knife that Maeglin tried to kill Earendil with Sword --> Glamdring, Turgon's sword Whip --> Balrog whips [ November 02, 2003: Message edited by: Finwe ] __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

11-04-2003, 06:14 PM	#336
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	No, but you have the right Helmet and Whip. Axe Helmet: Ecthelion's Helmet Knife Ring: The One Ring Sword: Glamdring Whip: Balrog's Whip __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

11-05-2003, 03:01 AM	#337
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Just to complete the list, I'll guess at Dramborleg as the axe, and Angrist as the knife. No idea which the oio is though. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

11-05-2003, 07:00 PM	#338
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	No, those are not the items I was thinking of. In fact the knife is Wormtongue's knife and there's no specific axe. All of which should really give it away ... Axe: Any Axe Helmet: Ecthelion's Helmet Knife: Wormtongue's Knife Ring: The One Ring Sword: Glamdring Whip: Balrog's Whip __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

11-06-2003, 06:35 PM	#339
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	The Ring because: 1) It wasn't used to kill anyone. or 2) It had no visible ornaments. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

11-07-2003, 10:13 AM	#340
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	Axe because all other items are just as a weapon against a Maia or just as a weapon by a Maia. [ November 07, 2003: Message edited by: Estanesse ] __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

11-07-2003, 10:33 AM	#341
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Wormtongue's a Maia???? __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

11-07-2003, 10:36 AM	#342
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	nope but Saruman is __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

11-07-2003, 10:17 PM	#343
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Ah, right, forgive me! Helmet because it was the only "weapon" not made or used by a Dark Lord or the Forces of Darkness. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

11-07-2003, 11:03 PM	#344
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Estanesse is close enough. The answer is that they were all intrinsically involved in the death of a Maiar except the Axe. Ecthelion's Helmet helped seal Gothmog's fate. Wormtongue's Knife of course dealt a fatal blow to Saruman. The destruction of the One Ring caused Sauron's demise. Gandalf used Glamdring in vanquishing the Moria Balrog. And the Balrog's Whip pulled Gandalf down to further combat, resulting in his death. As far as I know, there is no reference to an Axe having been used to kill a Maiar. Well done, Estanesse. Please continue. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

11-08-2003, 07:25 AM	#345
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	As far as I remember, Tuor was said to have killed one or two Balrogs in the early development of the writing of The Fall of Gondolin, and he fought with an axe... but doesnt matter - was a good question. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

11-08-2003, 02:09 PM	#346
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	(Just nitpicking here) Also, in the early stages, one of the leaders of the Houses of Gondolin, named Rog, also wielded an Axe, along with most of his House. Who knows, between them and Tuor, they could have gotten a few Balrog chappies! __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

11-08-2003, 06:46 PM	#347
Eowyn:Lady of Rohan Pile O'Bones Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Portland,Oregon USA Posts: 22	Next question please! __________________ Erin Elisabeth Jee Hyun Jung Ellis

11-10-2003, 04:08 AM	#348
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	Thank you Sauce [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Silmaril Glamdring Vilya Gúthwinë Gurthang __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

11-10-2003, 10:14 AM	#349
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Gúthwinë didnt shine ? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

11-11-2003, 04:01 PM	#350
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	Yes that's true, but gurthang also (the black sword) didn’t. __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

11-11-2003, 08:08 PM	#352
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Guthwine did not pass through Elven hands, or come into contact with Elves (Gurthang killed Beleg). __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

11-12-2003, 03:09 PM	#354
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Guthwine is assigned to one person only? Silmaril / Feanor, Thingol, Earendil ect Glamdring / Turgon, Gandalf Vilya / Gil-Galad, Elrond Gúthwinë / Eomer!!! Gurthang / Beleg, Turin ...or... Guthwine because the other had 'mates' Silmaril / ...the two other Silmarils Glamdring / Orchrist Vilya / Nenya, Narya Gúthwinë / NONE!!! Gurthang / Anguirel [ November 12, 2003: Message edited by: Telchar ] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

11-12-2003, 07:46 PM	#355
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Guthwine was the only one that wasn't made by the Elves. [ November 12, 2003: Message edited by: Finwe ] __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

11-29-2003, 11:40 AM	#357
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	Anyone?? It is not hard this question [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] (Not to hard [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] ) __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

11-29-2003, 01:16 PM	#358
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Put in Celebrimbor in the Vilya one? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

11-30-2003, 07:54 AM	#359
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	Nope __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

12-02-2003, 12:14 PM	#360
Usta Salque Guest Posts: n/a	Guthwine because it is the only one who's owner wasn't slain in battle...