TIG LXIX: Meeting at the House of Usher

[The Saucepan Man]

OK, listen up Village. I have an important announcement.

You should not vote for Fea. Repeat, you should not vote for Fea. Why? Because she is the most wonderful, lovely, fascinating, intoxicating and cute - yes, Roa, cute - creature that has ever brightened the thread of a Werewolf game with her presence. So, just leave her alone, or you'll have me to answer to.

Also, because she is not a Werewolf. She is a Lover. How do I know? Because I am the one who Loves her. And, should she be lynched toDay, then I shall wreak most terrible vengeance on the one that I consider most responsible for her death.

Oh, and Wolves. Should you think of attacking one of us toNight, then you will be one Wolf down tomorrow. I have one of you pegged and I am pretty sure that I have at least one other.

All we want to do is be together. We don't care who else wins, whether Villagers or Werewolves. So just leave us alone and we'll leave you alone. OK?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

*nuzzles my beloved Sauciekins*

[Nogrod]

Okay, let's take a look at the voters yesterDay...

Voting Greenie:
Roa, Nogrod, Spm, Fea

Voting Fea:
Pitch, Inzil, Nerwen

Voting McCaber:
Lottie, Brinn

Voting me:
McCaber

Not voting:
Sally.

Now there are four wolves left. How and where would you think they'd like to position themselves?

And there are seven innocents in there.

~'~

Originally Posted by Lottie

Wait - so first you say there is no point in speculating, then you say there's a different interpretation? Care to clarify?

Maybe... even if I think we only waste time here...

There is no point in speculating whether someone was hinted at in Hakon's posts as being innocent - and thus look at that someone as an innocent because of that. To that end Hakon's posts say too little about anyone. But the interpretation that Boro saw himself being dreamt of - and therefore he went for the kill looks a lot more believable.

And anyway. Even if someone says that it is not conclusive that the Boro-dream scenario is true (it isn't conclusive after all), it doesn't make the other interpretation any more plausible as there clearly is nothing to go for there...

Does it sound reasonable now?

~'~

Whoa Spm!

That kind of changes things...

[Loslote]

First off:

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

You should not vote for Fea.

Also, because she is not a Werewolf. She is a Lover. How do I know? Because I am the one who Loves her. And, should she be lynched toDay, then I shall wreak most terrible vengeance on the one that I consider most responsible for her death.

Okay...that changes some things.

Originally Posted by McCaber

First off, let me apologize for a knee-jerk reaction on Nogrod. After reading his posts, he really seems good, and to be fair I was pretty sketchy those Days.

So now that I have a good chunk of time to play with here, let's see what we can find.

Originally Posted by McCaber

I'm here too, by coincidence.

That's all he's posted toDay. After saying he's on and has a large chunk of time to play. Either his idea of a large chunk of time is really different from mine, he can't find anything to say, or he's a submarine.

After several people get suspicious of him for his vote for Nog, McCaber backs off and says he looks good. Okay, that could be reasonable. BUT it could also be a wolf trying to get out of trouble.

EDIT: xed with Nogrod

[Roa_Aoife]

Alright, then SPM, care to enlighten us? We (the village) lose if lynch an innocent toDay and toMorrow. We are cutting it very thin, and you can't count on the wolves to not try to kill you. You are, after all, a known innocent now, and so is Fea. And the wolves can't have that around.

So if you think you've found a wolf, it's in your best interest to share with us who and why.

And I still think Hakon dreamed of Boromir.


Edit: crossed with Fea down

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Roa, please allow me to elucidate how you are wrong about people's best interests.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Does it sound reasonable now?

Yes. I was just wondering why you said there was a different interpretation - without saying what thay interpretation was.

EDIT: xed with Fea

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Roa

So if you think you've found a wolf, it's in your best interest to share with us who and why.

I beg to differ. It's in my best interests, and those of my beloved Fea, to stay alive to the end, regardless of whether Wolves or Villagers win.

Let all of you make of that what you will.

But, knowing what you know now, I should think that a few things might become a lot clearer.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

We (the village) lose if lynch an innocent toDay and toMorrow.

Why yes, yes you do.

Originally Posted by Roa

We are cutting it very thin, and you can't count on the wolves to not try to kill you.

Frankly, we're counting on them to court us, not kill us. As we're on our own team, we can choose who we want to win without it counting as betrayal. While we number with the innocents on the tally, our allegiances are our own, as Lovers, and the wolves, if they wanted to play their cards right, could count on us to hand them an unbeatable voting block. Six to five. We could call it a game right now.

So if you think you've found a wolf, it's in your best interest to share with us who and why.

Actually, what's in our best interest is whatever we feel like doing, providing we choose how it's done.

Aww, I've crossed with my Snookums...

[Roa_Aoife]

So you two are simply going to sit back and see what happens? That's it? You won't help us at all?

Yes, SPM, that tells me that you haven't had the interests of the village at heart from the very beginning. All of your suspicions have been designed to allow you and Fea to survive.

If lynching the two of you wouldn't lose us the game...

Edit: Crossed

Editedit: grammar

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

All of your suspicions have been designed to allow you and Fea to survive.

Clearly it was an accident the cobbler had to die... But better her than me.

If only you could release your fury by lynching us...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Besides, I told you pages and pages ago that you should pay more attention to the Lovers because they might not have the village's best interest in mind.

You, Roa, told me that we weren't a threat.

We took it as a dare.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by my beloved

If only you could release your fury by lynching us...

I am afraid, Roa, that's what you get for suggesting that she isn't cute.

[Roa_Aoife]

Fine, then.

I suggest we ignore the two of them from now on, as they've made their choice, and it clearly isn't for us.

I have to leave shortly, and now I have no idea who to vote for. I'll be back soon after reviewing somethings.

[Nogrod]

So it's that way then with you romantics!

And I can see the persuasion of the dark side whispering to you already how it would be so much cooler to win beside the baddies...

Just a minute...

Make it four wolves and two lovers willing to go with them... that leaves only five villagers.

So the baddies could actually just call it a day then and outvote us toDay?


EDIT: x'd with too many again... heh, all the Day just silence and then things happen in a minute...

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Noggie

So the baddies could actually just call it a day then and outvote us toDay?

The penny drops ...

[Loslote]

Well, then, we'd better not do any vote-splitting. Remember Nog's game? We (the innocents) had it, but we split the vote and lost. BEFORE VOTING be sure to explain fully your vote, and DON'T vote for a weak reason.

EDIT: xed with SPAM

[Nogrod]

Actually, I just realised we might pressure you two sweethearts...

If we lynch one of you the other one can only take out one - and looking at the numbers you might hit a wolf as well (4 out of 9 is your chance - so basically 50-50).

So would you like to play alongside us or do you wish to side with the baddies?

[Roa_Aoife]

The problem, is that I haven't got time to review anyone else. I have to be off in literally 10 minutes. Besides Fea, who I now can't lynch (most unfortunately), I had no other suspects.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If we lynch one of you the other one can only take out one - and looking at the numbers you might hit a wolf as well (4 out of 9 is your chance - so basically 50-50).

I am confident that we shall hit our mark. Do you want to take the risk, whatever you might be?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If we lynch one of you the other one can only take out one - and looking at the numbers you might hit a wolf as well (4 out of 9 is your chance - so basically 50-50).

In what way is this pressuring?

The village lynches Sauce and I use my retribution vote to kill myself. Two 'innocents' down, the wolves win.

I'm sure he'd do the same for me.

So you want to try that again, Noggins? With a better plan?

Edit: Aww, I crossed with Lover Boy again... *smooches*

[Roa_Aoife]

Alright, Pitch isn't here. Sally didn't vote yesterday, and if she doesn't vote toDay, she gets modfired. (So, sorry, Nog, but I can't risk our village on whether or not Sally makes it in time.)

Nogrod's reaction looks innocent to me, and Loslote does as well.

That leaves:

Brinn
Inzil
McCaber
Nerwen


3 submarines and Inzil. Great.


Alright, Nerwen has slid by us all with ease. Aside from my very minor suspicion on Day 1, no one's paid her any attention. That to me is the most dangerous.

++nerwen


And I hope the wolves kill one of you two.

[Roa_Aoife]

Oh, is that how it is?

--Nerwen

++Fea

If we're going to lose anyway, then so are you.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

I am confident that we shall hit our mark. Do you want to take the risk, whatever you might be?

Originally Posted by Fea

The village lynches Sauce and I use my retribution vote to kill myself. Two 'innocents' down, the wolves win.

Okay, needs to recount... 4 + 2 + 5

One of you dead toDay, other making a suicide, the wolves killing an innocent during the Night leaves us with...

4 + 4

Right.

Unless the ranger saves us (possible but not too good a chance).


So you're on the dark side already then?

But hey, why would you lose in purpose? I mean yes, you obviously could bring about our downfall but why do it? To pressure us into saving you?

Well a fair deal... (so we're not going to be the ones to pressure you after all... )

But to be a deal, then help us lynch a wolf toDay.


EDIT: X'd with two Roa-votes

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Fea

The village lynches Sauce and I use my retribution vote to kill myself. Two 'innocents' down, the wolves win.

I'm sure he'd do the same for me.

Actually, after Roa's vote, I might just go for her. Or I might not ...

It makes no difference to us Roa. We were likely to lose toDay or toNight anyway, so it makes no odds to us.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Yes, really, it was either watch myself die, or watch myself die with glee.

Would you really deny me glee?

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Nog

So you're on the dark side already then?

No, not particularly so. We just want to be left alone. We don't care who wins.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Which is to say, whoever offers us a sweeter deal might sway us.

Or not.

We'd be happy snogging off in a corner and leaving all y'all to your own fate.

Well... sort of.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Oh, is that how it is?

--Nerwen

++Fea

If we're going to lose anyway, then so are you.

Now THAT looks suspicious. Did I not just say no vote splitting? This is the opposite of helpful!

Add Roa to my list of probably wolves, bringing the total up to: Roa and McCaber. Still missing two.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

No, not particularly so. We just want to be left alone. We don't care who wins.

You've kind of made that clear already...

But I must say I am amazed by Roa's reaction to the situation...

I mean if we bag a wolf toDay and the wolves don't get one of you we will be at 3 + 2 + 4 (= 3 + 6 countingwise) toMorrow! And getting one wolf would greatly enhance our "deductive capabilities" as there would be leads to read into toMorrow.

Hey ranger: look at these dynamics when choosing who to guard the coming Night! There could be a reason to guard one of the cuties if we bag a wolf. (sorry if I voice self-evident facts)

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Lottie

Now THAT looks suspicious.

Actually, I think that it may have been cast more out of annoyance.

Still, whichever team she is on, she has just reduced their chance of winning.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Actually, I think that it may have been cast more out of annoyance.

Still, whichever team she is on, she has just reduced their chance of winning.

Exactly. It was the opposite of helpful, and Roa is usually at least slightly more logical than that.

[Nienna]

*grabs popcorn*

[Mirandir]

*pulls up a seat next to Nienna*

[Nerwen]

Well, that was an eye-opener, and no mistake.

About the Lovers: they haven't actually said they'll side with the wolves. They've said they can if they want to.

Thus, Roa's voting Fea is rather precipitous.

But not as much as her voting me! What was that about?
EDIT:X'd since Fea.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But not as much as her voting me! What was that about?

Actually, a good point. No one else suspected you. What could that be except for a vote-splitter? Roa is rapidly looking more and more suspicious to me.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Noggie

Hey ranger: look at these dynamics when choosing who to guard the coming Night! There could be a reason to guard one of the cuties if we bag a wolf. (sorry if I voice self-evident facts)

A fair point. I think that it really comes down to whether you lynch a Wolf or an Innocent toDay. If you lynch a Wolf, the Nog is right here. If you lynch an Innocent, then the Wolves can leave us be and grab a win toMorrow.

So, you see. Your destiny is still in your own hands (or keyboard), whatever you may be.

[Loslote]

*seriously considers bashing SPAM and Fea over the head*

*decides it wouldn't be very helpful*

So where is everyone?? The whole "choose who to vote carefully so we don't end up splitting the vote" idea won't work if we don't discuss it!

[Nogrod]

Well then...

Of Greenie-voters there's only Roa left for me to think about. Her reaction was pretty weird but as Spm said, it might have been an act of frustration as well. She does have better maths and a keener eye to be honest... but then again she was in a hurry. Hard to say. I don't like her vote-change (or her original vote to be sure) at all but I'm not sure she should be lynched for them. Needs to think.

Looking back at Fea voters it seems it's actually only Nerwen who voted for her after she had turned out very suspicious-looking (what were you after anyway there Fea, it just beats me - but maybe we can discuss it in the post-game discussion?). So basically looking at Pitchie's and Inzil's votes there are no too well made arguments behind them. But other than that they have looked very reasonable to me.

(Why am I talking in this tone? Well I thought that those who voted for Fea were quite innocentish to my eye as Fea was so suspicious-looking yesterDay but then I looked back and saw that the two voted for Fea before the final show started).

Lottie and Brinn voted for McCaber and I can't blame them on that. Actually I could join them - or whoever - to do that toDay. His little entry early on the Day making an excuse / apology looked downright horrible. I asked him to come forwards and say something more but it has had no effect so far.

Sally then? I have no idea and she said she would be RL-busy already beforehand. Probably not a wolf? Or a very unfair winner if it comes to that... to the point of discrediting that win then.

But we should get it right toDay - as Spm so nicely elucidates... get it right toDay and the lovers are (maybe) with us, get it wrong and they will side with the baddies ending the game... So what do you think people?

[Loslote]

I think that, unless something else dramatic happens before DL, I'm only going to vote for Roa or McCaber. I see no strong reason why anyone else could be a wolf. And there's too much at stake to risk losing it to a weak reasoned vote.