Middle-earth Bad Popularity Cup - Page 9 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-27-2009, 08:32 AM

The Chieftest and Greatest of Calamities
has a more interesting personality, and may be
as mean as First/Second Age Sauron, so:

+ + Smaug the Magnificent

Eönwë · 02-27-2009, 05:18 PM

++Smaug

First of all, he's a dragon. And I also rather like his talk with Bolbo in the Hobbit.

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-28-2009, 02:18 PM

Time extended for more voting.

Ibrîniðilpathânezel · 02-28-2009, 02:31 PM

Personally, I have to go for

++ Sauron

When it comes to dragons, I'm with Anne McCaffrey: the bad ones get all the press. And if came down to Melkor versus Sauron, I'd be interested in seeing who actually comes out on top.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-01-2009, 07:54 PM

voters?

Nerwen · 03-02-2009, 02:34 AM

Okay, okay.... As a fanatical ww player, I think I'll vote

++Sauron

...though how anyone can prefer those Pernese pet dragons to Smaug is beyond me.

By the way, Steve, who's Bolbo?

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-02-2009, 07:57 AM

Smaug-4 Sauron-2

Next:
Glaurung vs. Mr. W. Huggins

Morthoron · 03-02-2009, 08:58 PM

++Glaurung

He would smoke Bill like a cheap cigar.

Eönwë · 03-03-2009, 05:20 PM

++Glaurung

Need I say more?

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-03-2009, 10:56 PM

+ + William

Because he's (relatively) nice to
burrahobbits.

the phantom · 03-05-2009, 11:28 PM

I like William, and I'd also like to see diversity in the final rounds (we already have a dragon through).

But... really...

++Glaurung

I just can't go the other way in this match up.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-06-2009, 08:14 AM

Voting time extended.

Groin Redbeard · 03-06-2009, 09:29 AM

Votin for William wouldn't make much sense: he won't be a match against anyone from now on. Therefore...

++Glaurung

skip spence · 03-06-2009, 10:07 AM

Poor old Bill is hardly a bad guy at all, well, apart from eating a Dwarf or two perhaps. I love the fella, but ++Glaurung is just bad to the bone.

Eönwë · 03-06-2009, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

By the way, Steve, who's Bolbo?

That was just a test... yes, a test.... to see if anyone else is alert enough to vote properly.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-06-2009, 02:09 PM

Glaurung-5 William-1 (poor blighter)

Next: Grima Wormtongue vs. Morgoth

Durelin · 03-06-2009, 07:04 PM

++Morgoth

Yeah. Also, Grima's not evil enough to move any further in this contest.

Morthoron · 03-06-2009, 08:39 PM

++Morgoth

Hey, he's the Once and Future Evil. He'll be back for Tolkien's version of Ragnarok, and as Durelin said, Grima is only semi-evil or evil-lite.

Nerwen · 03-07-2009, 04:05 AM

++Morgoth

Poor Wormtongue is simply outclassed.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-07-2009, 06:46 AM

You've got to be kidding. Morgoth? He is not half as interesting as Gríma. Come on! Gríma:

1. Throws Palantír out of the window
2. Stabs Saruman
3. Looks at Gandalf like mad when he asks him whether he does not want to leave Saruman
4. Eats Lotho (okay, we didn't want to hear that)
5. Was a noble of Rohan (combine with the one above) and served his master honestly in the beginning
6. Was seen riding with a group of Orcs
7. is son of Gálmód, which just sounds too cool
8. was being picked up from the saddle by Treebeard and later, he was swimming to Orthanc.

And, eventually, in one version of the Hunt of the Ring, he was caught and intimidated by the Black Riders, WK himself, no less.

Morgoth was just a Dark Lord. We have seen many of those, he invented lots of interesting dragons and such, but then, that's just his job. Gríma is a MAN with a LIFE. He is very interesting.

++Gríma Wormtongue

Nerwen · 03-07-2009, 07:10 AM

Hey Tuor, why don't you pit Smaug and Glaurung against each other next round?

That would be cool.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-07-2009, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Hey Tuor, why don't you pit Smaug and Glaurung against each other next round?

That would be cool.

Not necessarily. Smaug is the coolest dragon ev@, while Glaurung is just a witless worm.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-07-2009, 09:00 AM

Quote:

4. Eats Lotho (okay, we didn't want to hear that)

Actually that may have been a misunderstanding in
translation from Rohirric.
Gandalf asked Grima if he liked hobbits and he thought
Grima replied: "If they're prepared properly."

Ibrîniðilpathânezel · 03-07-2009, 09:10 AM

For me, it must be

++Morgoth

who, in Middle-earth, is the root of all evil -- unlike our real earth, wherein it has been amply proved in recent times that the love of all money does indeed appear to be the wellspring (sigh).

Thinlómien · 03-07-2009, 12:11 PM

++Gríma

Hey come one Morgoth's boring while Gríma truly is a character! Do you really want this game to have such really "basic" finalists as Glaurung and Morgoth? Blaah...

skip spence · 03-07-2009, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

++Gríma

Hey come one Morgoth's boring while Gríma truly is a character! Do you really want this game to have such really "basic" finalists as Glaurung and Morgoth? Blaah...

I'd hate to see Morgoth winning too, but Wormtongue even more so. I can't believe he's made it this far and for him to eliminate The Marrer himself just isn't right. He ain't worthy to kiss the soles of ++Morgoth's iron boots.

Rikae · 03-07-2009, 12:45 PM

A tough choice, but I like a little moral ambiguity in my villains. Characters over archetypes.

++Grima

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-07-2009, 01:05 PM

Yea, yea, good, go, go, go, Lommy, Rikae!!! And you, Skip, be ashamed of yourself and go bury yourself somewhere. Bah, voting in such a cliché-ish way... (And besides, obviously bandwaggoning. I think he voted Morgoth just to save a fellow Wolf.)

Thinlómien · 03-07-2009, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

And you, Skip, be ashamed of yourself and go bury yourself somewhere. Bah, voting in such a cliché-ish way... (And besides, obviously bandwaggoning. I think he voted Morgoth just to save a fellow Wolf.)

Oh, come on, he's just silly because he's Swedish...

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-07-2009, 01:42 PM

+ + Grima Wormtongue

Since he didn't get the girl and didn't get the
chance to become a best selling vegan
author.

skip spence · 03-07-2009, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Oh, come on, he's just silly because he's Swedish...

No it's the other way around: I'm Swedish because I'm silly.

And I would go bury myself if I only could figure out how to cover myself up with dirt and at the same time lie down in an open grave. Oh well...

Thinlómien · 03-07-2009, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skip spence

No it's the other way around: I'm Swedish because I'm silly.

And I would go bury myself if I only could figure out how to cover myself up with dirt and at the same time lie down in an open grave. Oh well...

I can lend a hand.

Nogrod · 03-07-2009, 05:40 PM

So the ME popularity cup must be won by Gandalf or Frodo and the ME bad popularity cup must be won by Sauron or Morgoth?

Give me a break people!

++ Grima

Let's make this more interesting.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-07-2009, 07:26 PM

Velee interesting. With time running out for the
Marrer of Middle-earth he's trailing Wormy .
As Zero Mostel said to Gene Wilder in The Pruducers:

Quote:

Leo: May I speak to you for a minute?
Max: [pulls out stop watch] Go. You have 58 seconds.
Leo: Well, in glancing at your books, I noticed that...
Max: you have 48 seconds left. Hurry hurry.
Leo: Oh, I glanced at your books, I noticed...
Max: 28 seconds. You're running out of time.
Leo: [Trying to explain, getting more nervous]
Max: Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock...

Also:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerwen
Hey Tuor, why don't you pit Smaug and Glaurung against each other next round?

Hmm. Anti-dragon sentiment? Now who wished that there might be no
border between Orthanc and Mordor so they'd go against each other?

And anyway, that would be interfering in the brackets. Of course, it
would probably help Wormy. Hmm...........!

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-07-2009, 08:05 PM

Grima Wormtongue-5 Morgoth-4

Another upset to go with:
5) The Amazin' Mets 1969 World Series win against
the Baltimore Orioles

4)

Quote:

1933: Walsall 2-0 ArsenalDivision 3 South Walsall faced a hopeless situation when they drew first league leaders Arsenal for their 3rd round FA Cup playoff. At the time, the professional Arsenal team was worth thousands of pounds, whereas little Walsall’s team cost only £70. However, Arsenal manager Herbert Chapman made one fatal error. Believing the result was a foregone conclusion, he rested three of his top players. Walsall took its chance and scored two unanswered goals, to hand Arsenal a humiliating defeat.

3) 1980 Miracle on Ice U.S.A. over Russkies

2) Kim Cattrall upsets tennis fans:

Quote:

SEX AND THE CITY star KIM CATTRALL has angered sports fans and shown her lack of tennis know-how at the opening of the US OPEN championship in New York.

Kim - who plays sex-mad SAMANTHA in the hit show - was at Monday's start of the tournament when she walked out of the match between LLEYTON HEWITT and VICTOR HANESCU at an inappropriate moment.

The 47-year-old actress left at the end of an even-numbered game - angering spectators, who know you should only leave after odd-numbered games, when the players are swapping sides.

1) Frodo does not win Middle-earth Popularity Cup !

On to the semi-finals!

Carcharoth vs. Smaug
Glaurung vs. Grima son of Galmod

Next: Carcharoth vs. Smaug

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-08-2009, 06:37 AM

Hooray! Gríma rulezz!!!

I like the way it came out, even though we could have been a bit more original still, but good, good. Thanks to good master Noggins, we have neither Sauron nor Morgoth here. Just a pity no Orc made it through...

As for the current match:

++Smaug

Eönwë · 03-08-2009, 07:52 AM

I don't like Carcharoth.

++Smaug

Ps. Yes, it's that simple.

Morthoron · 03-08-2009, 08:18 AM

++Smaug

Wolves...they're so real world. This is a fantasy, after all.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-08-2009, 08:40 AM

An argument for The Red Maw could be
that he was the greatest wolf to ever live (and
took out the Hound of Valinor ) while it
would hardly be argued that Smaug the Magnificent
was the greatest dragon to ever live (and, after all,
he was taken out by one human archer).

Just saying...

Now, as for voting...um...(later).

Macalaure · 03-08-2009, 08:45 AM

I do like Carcharoth.

++Carcharoth

02-27-2009, 08:32 AM	#321
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	The Chieftest and Greatest of Calamities has a more interesting personality, and may be as mean as First/Second Age Sauron, so: + + Smaug the Magnificent __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

02-27-2009, 05:18 PM	#322
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	++Smaug First of all, he's a dragon. And I also rather like his talk with Bolbo in the Hobbit. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

02-28-2009, 02:18 PM	#323
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Time extended for more voting. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

02-28-2009, 02:31 PM	#324
Ibrîniðilpathânezel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the Helcaraxe Posts: 733	Personally, I have to go for ++ Sauron When it comes to dragons, I'm with Anne McCaffrey: the bad ones get all the press. And if came down to Melkor versus Sauron, I'd be interested in seeing who actually comes out on top. __________________ Call me Ibrin (or Ibri) :) Originality is the one thing that unoriginal minds cannot feel the use of. — John Stewart Mill

03-01-2009, 07:54 PM	#325
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	voters? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-02-2009, 02:34 AM	#326
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Okay, okay.... As a fanatical ww player, I think I'll vote ++Sauron ...though how anyone can prefer those Pernese pet dragons to Smaug is beyond me. By the way, Steve, who's Bolbo? __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

03-02-2009, 07:57 AM	#327
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Smaug-4 Sauron-2 Next: Glaurung vs. Mr. W. Huggins __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-02-2009, 08:58 PM	#328
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,509	++Glaurung He would smoke Bill like a cheap cigar. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

03-03-2009, 05:20 PM	#329
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	++Glaurung Need I say more? __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place Last edited by Eönwë; 03-03-2009 at 05:43 PM.

03-03-2009, 10:56 PM	#330
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	+ + William Because he's (relatively) nice to burrahobbits. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-05-2009, 11:28 PM	#331
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I like William, and I'd also like to see diversity in the final rounds (we already have a dragon through). But... really... ++Glaurung I just can't go the other way in this match up. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

03-06-2009, 08:14 AM	#332
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Voting time extended. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-06-2009, 09:29 AM	#333
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	Votin for William wouldn't make much sense: he won't be a match against anyone from now on. Therefore... ++Glaurung __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

03-06-2009, 10:07 AM	#334
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	Poor old Bill is hardly a bad guy at all, well, apart from eating a Dwarf or two perhaps. I love the fella, but ++Glaurung is just bad to the bone. __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

03-06-2009, 02:09 PM	#336
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Glaurung-5 William-1 (poor blighter) Next: Grima Wormtongue vs. Morgoth __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-06-2009, 07:04 PM	#337
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	++Morgoth Yeah. Also, Grima's not evil enough to move any further in this contest.

03-06-2009, 08:39 PM	#338
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,509	++Morgoth Hey, he's the Once and Future Evil. He'll be back for Tolkien's version of Ragnarok, and as Durelin said, Grima is only semi-evil or evil-lite. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

03-07-2009, 04:05 AM	#339
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	++Morgoth Poor Wormtongue is simply outclassed. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

03-07-2009, 06:46 AM	#340
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	You've got to be kidding. Morgoth? He is not half as interesting as Gríma. Come on! Gríma: 1. Throws Palantír out of the window 2. Stabs Saruman 3. Looks at Gandalf like mad when he asks him whether he does not want to leave Saruman 4. Eats Lotho (okay, we didn't want to hear that) 5. Was a noble of Rohan (combine with the one above) and served his master honestly in the beginning 6. Was seen riding with a group of Orcs 7. is son of Gálmód, which just sounds too cool 8. was being picked up from the saddle by Treebeard and later, he was swimming to Orthanc. And, eventually, in one version of the Hunt of the Ring, he was caught and intimidated by the Black Riders, WK himself, no less. Morgoth was just a Dark Lord. We have seen many of those, he invented lots of interesting dragons and such, but then, that's just his job. Gríma is a MAN with a LIFE. He is very interesting. ++Gríma Wormtongue __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

03-07-2009, 07:10 AM	#341
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Battling dragons... Hey Tuor, why don't you pit Smaug and Glaurung against each other next round? That would be cool. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

03-07-2009, 09:10 AM	#344
Ibrîniðilpathânezel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the Helcaraxe Posts: 733	For me, it must be ++Morgoth who, in Middle-earth, is the root of all evil -- unlike our real earth, wherein it has been amply proved in recent times that the love of all money does indeed appear to be the wellspring (sigh). __________________ Call me Ibrin (or Ibri) :) Originality is the one thing that unoriginal minds cannot feel the use of. — John Stewart Mill

03-07-2009, 12:11 PM	#345
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	++Gríma Hey come one Morgoth's boring while Gríma truly is a character! Do you really want this game to have such really "basic" finalists as Glaurung and Morgoth? Blaah... __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

03-07-2009, 12:45 PM	#347
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	A tough choice, but I like a little moral ambiguity in my villains. Characters over archetypes. ++Grima

03-07-2009, 01:05 PM	#348
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Yea, yea, good, go, go, go, Lommy, Rikae!!! And you, Skip, be ashamed of yourself and go bury yourself somewhere. Bah, voting in such a cliché-ish way... (And besides, obviously bandwaggoning. I think he voted Morgoth just to save a fellow Wolf.) __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

03-07-2009, 01:42 PM	#350
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	+ + Grima Wormtongue Since he didn't get the girl and didn't get the chance to become a best selling vegan author. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-07-2009, 05:40 PM	#353
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	So the ME popularity cup must be won by Gandalf or Frodo and the ME bad popularity cup must be won by Sauron or Morgoth? Give me a break people! ++ Grima Let's make this more interesting. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

03-08-2009, 06:37 AM	#356
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Hooray! Gríma rulezz!!! I like the way it came out, even though we could have been a bit more original still, but good, good. Thanks to good master Noggins, we have neither Sauron nor Morgoth here. Just a pity no Orc made it through... As for the current match: ++Smaug __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

03-08-2009, 07:52 AM	#357
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	I don't like Carcharoth. ++Smaug Ps. Yes, it's that simple. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

03-08-2009, 08:18 AM	#358
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,509	++Smaug Wolves...they're so real world. This is a fantasy, after all. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

03-08-2009, 08:40 AM	#359
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	An argument for The Red Maw could be that he was the greatest wolf to ever live (and took out the Hound of Valinor ) while it would hardly be argued that Smaug the Magnificent was the greatest dragon to ever live (and, after all, he was taken out by one human archer). Just saying... Now, as for voting...um...(later). __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-08-2009, 08:45 AM	#360
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	I do like Carcharoth. ++Carcharoth