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12-03-2008, 03:33 PM | #321 |
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++Beleg Cuthalion
Because he's awesome. And he's a friend (something we need more of...).
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12-03-2008, 03:39 PM | #322 |
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++Beleg
Come now. With my username, you think I could go any other way?
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12-03-2008, 04:04 PM | #323 | |
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12-03-2008, 07:36 PM | #324 |
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++Frodo
To me, there is little bravery shown in Tolkien's works as great as Frodo's acceptance of the burden of the Ring, especially after listening to all that was said about it at the Council of Elrond.
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12-03-2008, 10:04 PM | #325 |
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He was a bigger glory hog than Boromir but since he was so diminuative in stature nobody suspected it. He's really a tyrant.
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12-03-2008, 10:10 PM | #326 |
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++Frodo
Yes, Beleg is great. Yes, Frodo is nothing without Sam. But he's a far better developed character, and his failure at the test is what makes his sacrifice all the more meaningful.
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12-03-2008, 11:56 PM | #327 |
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We see so much less of Beleg when compared to Frodo- pages and pages less. And yet in that little bit of time we have with him Beleg proves that he is an amazing person. If we had the exposure to him we have to Frodo, I think Beleg would win this contest quite easily.
Expert teacher, tracker, and warrior, and the truest of friends. I salute... ++Beleg
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12-04-2008, 12:11 PM | #328 |
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Frodo was the big favourite ahead of this match but the voting was much closer than expected. In the end the final vote by the Phantom was decisive and since his choice was Beleg the Ringbearer is eliminated. Smell you later, Frodo!
He's been called the "Shylock" of Middle Earth and an "evil Dwarf". Next up is the match between the unsung hero and outsider Mim the Petty Dwarf, who comes face to face with none other than Sauron the Dark Lord, the greatest enemy of the free people in the second and third Age of Arda. Mim the Petty Dwarf vs. Sauron
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12-04-2008, 01:23 PM | #329 |
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++Sauron
Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
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12-04-2008, 01:28 PM | #330 |
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++MIM
I am quite fond of his name
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12-04-2008, 01:35 PM | #331 |
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++Mîm
He's a very misunderstood and interesting character whose purpose in the story was much more intriguing than Sauron's. Besides he's a dwarf.
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12-04-2008, 01:50 PM | #332 | |
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Somehow with Mim and Sauron the Gilligan's Island
episode of Jack and the Beanstalk with "Gilligan" running between the giant's legs comes to mind. So, since petty dwarves "get no respect" + + Mim Also: Quote:
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12-04-2008, 02:48 PM | #333 |
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++ Sauron
Talking about the Sil Sauron now, of course - LotR Sauron is plain boring. Sauron is pretty cool in the Sil, whereas Mîm is one of those characters I have never especially liked. Of evil and slightly nasty, I choose the evil.
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12-04-2008, 02:57 PM | #334 |
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Let us compare these two- Mim and Sauron.
---- Mim- He has a chapter in a book named after him (Of Mim the Dwarf). Sauron- One of the best selling books of all time is named after him (The Lord of the Rings). ---- Mim- Brought about the destruction of a group of men living on a hill. Sauron- Brought about the destruction of Numenor and Arnor. ---- Mim- Responsible for the deaths of the men upon Amon Rhud. Sauron- Responsible for the deaths of thousands, perhaps millions. ---- Mim- Directly responsible for slaying... erm... probably a rabbit at least. Sauron- Directly slew the High King of the Elves and the King of Gondor. ---- Mim- Caused Turin to be captured. Sauron- Caused Valinor to be removed from the world. ---- Mim- Attempted to take over the empty halls of Nargothrond. Did not succeed. Stopped by an old man. Sauron- Attempted to take over the world. Nearly succeeded. Stopped by Eru. ---- Mim- Left behind no legacy. Sauron- Without Sauron, no Tol-In-Gaurhoth. He will live on through our Werewolf games forever. ---- Yeah... Take a wild guess at which way my vote is gonna go. ++Sauron
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12-04-2008, 03:03 PM | #335 |
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While I fancy Sauron (also, especially the Sil one... or more concretely, the "Gorlim" one; or then the "Pharazon" one), still, I became really fond of Mîm. And now thinking of it, aww, his tale is just so painfully sad - losing both of his sons in such a horrible way! (Not to mention him being the last of his kind.) No, actually, my favourite is clear! Pity wins.
++Mîm I really wish he would win. Oh, and, besides - he had a cool prophecy. Oh...
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++Sauron Mwahaha. Erm... okay. But yes, I like him better, (although I don't really like either him or Mîm). It's all that scary Silm stuff that has already been mentioned. And as for pity, I'm actually going further than Gandalf himself. I think I even pity Sauron, on some level. I pity the great talent and the soul of an artist that were - in a way - lost when Morgoth corrupted him. Now I know! It's more or less the same as my pity for Darth Vader...
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12-04-2008, 03:59 PM | #337 |
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So Beleg overtook Frodo Baggins himself!
Yay! This is getting interesting indeed! So the next major character to be dropped is Sauron, right? Let's see a carnival here and let the fresh winds blow! Oh, just a minute, the pairs in this round look like Skip has made sure some of the top idols will survive anyway... There goes the grand scheme. But in that case I'm going to vote for ++ Sauron As said already here - and discussed in a separate thread lately - the Silm-Sauron is just magnificiently interesting character (unlike the LotR-Sauron who is just the abstract evil with no qualities eg. a different literal and philosophical idea). And although I have almost always felt a deep sympathy with Mím (probably not the first time I read the Silmarillion as I was too young to appreciate him back then as a kid) there has always been something in his character I have disliked. I mean the sorrow of a father who lost his sons and the knowledge of being the last of one's kind are great and moving themes. But there still is something in the "petty" pride he has that has always been something like a turn-off for me. I don't know if it's cultural inheritance or something but there it is and I can't help it. I know I should think more highly of him but I just can't - at least if I have to make a choice between him and Sauron of the Silmarillion...
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12-04-2008, 04:25 PM | #338 | ||
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Doesn't the fact that I voted for him leave a legacy?
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12-04-2008, 05:22 PM | #339 | |
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Mim and Sauron on the other hand- my point about them had not to do with textual coverage, but that Sauron was so ridiculously important that a book was named after him. THE book in terms of Middle-Earth. Tolkien could have spent every day of his life writing Mim's life story, and he still would've been but a speck next to Sauron. No amount of increased coverage could catch him up.
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12-04-2008, 05:48 PM | #340 |
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++Gorthaur
Mim is a little brat who thinks he's the one who matters. I despise that sort.
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12-04-2008, 06:29 PM | #341 |
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++Sauron
However much I like dwarves, I have to vote for the most interesting character out of the two. For me the equation is likability over interest, Sauron is far more interesting than Mim.
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12-04-2008, 06:41 PM | #342 |
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++Sauron
Ash Sauron durbatulûk.
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12-04-2008, 07:45 PM | #343 |
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Hmmm...a despicable dwarf or a despicable Maia? A cunning ring or a cunning runt?
I'll go with Mr. Mordor...++Gorthaur
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12-05-2008, 06:52 AM | #344 |
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++Mim the Petty Dwarf
Because he amuses me and because petty means 'toilet' in Lancastrian so I always grin when I hear his name but Sauron's a bit depressing in comparison.
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12-05-2008, 10:52 AM | #345 | |
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Even so, as a loyal denizen of Tol-in-Gaurhoth, I'll naturally vote– ++Sauron. I mean... come on... Mîm? How'd he even get this far?
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12-05-2008, 12:34 PM | #346 |
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Despite falling behind early on, Sauron the Great has crushed Mim by 10 votes to 5 and will face Beleg in the quarter-finals. Mim, again the last of his kind, is once more on the losing end.
Next up is another First Age showdown: Glaurung, father of dragons and master of stinging sarcasm, is to play Maedhos, everyone's favourite lefty and in the end, a victim of bitter irony. Match 3 of round 2: Glaurung vs. Maedhros
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12-05-2008, 12:37 PM | #347 |
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++Maedhros
Maedhros is one of the most tragic figures in The Silmarillion, with his misguided sense of obligation dominating his natural compassion and goodness. He has all of the doom of Turin without all of the melodrama. He and Eol are two characters I wish Tolkien had written more about.
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12-05-2008, 12:44 PM | #348 |
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++Maedhros
Despite the fact the his doom was of his own making, he is a very tragic character(as stated by Andsigil). He is by far the best of the sons of Feanor, and has a lot more meat to his backround. Glaurung is skin and bones when it comes to which character is the most interesting.
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12-05-2008, 12:46 PM | #349 | |
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Don't look so surprised, Nogrod. Looking back, this was the deciding moment of that match (remember Frodo won by one measly vote):
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12-05-2008, 01:07 PM | #350 |
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Mmm. No question. ++Maedhros.
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12-05-2008, 01:31 PM | #351 |
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+ + Maedros
But he should have listened to his brother (Maglor).
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12-05-2008, 01:37 PM | #352 |
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Where are the dragon-lovers?
++Glaurung Father of Dragons.
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12-05-2008, 02:35 PM | #353 |
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++Glaurung
Maedhros was more handicapped by his inability to overcome his vow than the loss of his hand. Glaurung was the first great dragon, and was wonderfully evil and cunning, particularly at Nargothrond.
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12-05-2008, 03:08 PM | #354 |
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++ Maedhros
He's my favourite.
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12-05-2008, 04:25 PM | #355 |
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++ Maedhros
Glaurung couldn't even fly....seriously, how cool can a flightless dragon be...or balrog for that matter.
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12-05-2008, 05:24 PM | #356 |
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Ooh, a tough choice here. Both of them are pretty awesome. It's a tie in my mind.
++ Maedhros Because I like him more.
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12-05-2008, 08:58 PM | #357 | ||
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And I'm afraid I need to draw the same conclusion as tp made. ++ Maedhros All the left-handers unite! But someone should really take the side of the sarcastic dragon as well. Quote:
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12-05-2008, 09:23 PM | #358 |
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Oh man! I like them both but if I'd remembered that I would have gone with Maedhros. You can't beat a left-hander.
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12-06-2008, 12:15 AM | #359 |
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How can Maedros beat Glaurung?
Just because one cannot figure out if he is basicly a good guy that does eveil deeds or an evil guy that does good deeds, then people go on and on about the depth and diversity of the charachter. Glaurung is amazing, he does not need wings he can put you under his spell and if he does not decide to kill you, he can trash talk you untill you do it your self. ++Glaurung the Golden |
12-06-2008, 02:41 AM | #360 |
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An Elf who couldn't roll his own cigs versus a Dragon? Come on....
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