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The Might · 01-08-2009, 06:21 PM

What about the House of Kings?

Merry and Pippin next to all the stars of M-e including Elendil and Aragorn?

Beregond · 01-08-2009, 06:31 PM

Oooooooh! I had forgotten that they were laid to rest in Rath Dinen. I bet you're right. This one was driving me crazy.

Inziladun · 01-08-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Might

What about the House of Kings?

Merry and Pippin next to all the stars of M-e including Elendil and Aragorn?

Rath Dínen, it is! I almost put "small" in parentheses in the original question, but I thought that might make it too easy.
The thread is yours , sir.

The Might · 01-12-2009, 02:27 PM

Remember those descending from ages past?

Groin Redbeard · 01-12-2009, 07:21 PM

The line of Barahir?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-13-2009, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

The line of Barahir?

Groin, when you are here, perhaps you would like to take a look at the Geography Direction Quiz

The Might · 01-13-2009, 07:06 AM

Nope.

Ilya · 01-13-2009, 10:05 PM

Hmm...the Silvan elves, maybe?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 01-14-2009, 04:38 AM

I guess you don't mean the mathoms

The Might · 01-14-2009, 07:29 AM

No and no. Old. Like very old.

Beregond · 01-14-2009, 08:09 AM

Would it be the Druadan? Maybe they aren't old enough..

Vaine · 01-14-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Might

Remember those descending from ages past?

Istari?

The Might · 01-17-2009, 07:47 PM

Older than Druedain.

Istari don't count as they never descended from anything. They just were there.

Inziladun · 01-17-2009, 09:21 PM

Here's a wild stab- the spiders of Mirkwood, descended from Ungoliant?

Vaine · 01-18-2009, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Might

Older than Druedain.

Istari don't count as they never descended from anything. They just were there.

descended can mean something else than descending from ancestors, I was thinking descending from 'heaven' or something in that fasion.

The Might · 01-18-2009, 10:51 AM

Ok, that is true, but still wrong.

The spiders of Mirkwood are a good idea, although not old enough.

Ilya · 01-20-2009, 07:23 PM

Hmm...along the same lines, then, how about the long-worms, decendents of dragons?

The Might · 01-21-2009, 04:48 AM

Nope.

Vaine · 01-21-2009, 11:51 AM

Just gonna throw a quick stab here:

The white tree saplings, being descendants of Telperion.

The Might · 01-21-2009, 02:06 PM

Older.

Vaine · 01-21-2009, 02:44 PM

I think I got it:

Wargs descending from the werewolves of the first age.

The Might · 01-21-2009, 03:17 PM

That isn't older than Telperion I believe... so it can only be wrong.

Look further back!

Vaine · 01-21-2009, 03:19 PM

The mearas, descending from the horses of Aman?

The Might · 01-21-2009, 10:41 PM

Ok, that's a good thought, but still not old enough.

Think before Aman, before they went to live over the sea.

Beregond · 01-21-2009, 10:45 PM

It's hard to look to a time without the two trees.

The dwarves? Any chance they were created before Telperion? I don't remember what the book says...

The Might · 01-21-2009, 10:47 PM

Wait... weren't the Dwarves made after they moved to Aman?

Please correct me if I am wrong there.

Beregond · 01-21-2009, 10:54 PM

Oh! Before they went to Aman! I missed that.

This is hard! I can't think of anyone who came in the period between Aman and the song of the Maiar. And I don't think you can mean the Maiar, because they didn't "descend" from anyone.

Unless you mean....erm...someone like the Valaraukar?

Thinlómien · 01-22-2009, 01:40 AM

Just Elves?

Gollum the Great · 01-22-2009, 01:46 AM

I'm wondering... it wasn't some species of tree, was it? Not the Malorn?

Vaine · 01-22-2009, 06:47 AM

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Think before Aman, before they went to live over the sea.

Edit:
Before the two trees were made, before they came to live on Aman.
only thing that comes to mind are the vanyar, possibly.
What other creatures existed at the years of the Lamps?

PS. Beregond:

The Valaraukar were maiar themselves..

The Might · 01-22-2009, 12:04 PM

Yes, the malorn also are pretty old...
But the thing is for this particular thing... it is said about it that it is said about it to be of this descent

Think about the time when they still used to live in Almaren or sometime afterwards...

Vaine · 01-22-2009, 12:38 PM

I think I just realised, when you say 'they' you mean the Valar, and not the 'thing' this puzzle is about.

... thing eh, Are you talking about the Lamps of the Valar, being of the age when the island of Almaren got destroyed by melkor?

Or possibly The Children of illuvatar, as all of them could trace their ancestry to the same age and event.

or even the inland seas of helcar and rhun?

Beregond · 01-22-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vaine

The Valaraukar were maiar themselves..

Yes, I know - I thought since the Balrogs were a type of Maiar...meh, it was just a terrible guess.

The Might · 01-22-2009, 06:06 PM

Nope, sorry Vaine. Actually, the idea with the horses previously was not that bad... maybe think in a similar direction.

Ilya · 01-22-2009, 09:57 PM

Quite a stumper. is it a place, maybe? Utumno? From whence Melkor's evil flowed?

Vaine · 01-23-2009, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Might

Nope, sorry Vaine. Actually, the idea with the horses previously was not that bad... maybe think in a similar direction.

But I was right about the 'they' thing?
That you mean the Valar and not the 'thing' in question?

New Suggestion:

The Kine of araw, being descendants of the cattle of Oromë.

The Might · 01-23-2009, 09:42 AM

Vaine wins!

I'll have to rep you for that when I can.

Good job there, looking forward to seeing what you have planned.

Vaine · 01-23-2009, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Might

Vaine wins!

I'll have to rep you for that when I can.

Good job there, looking forward to seeing what you have planned.

Funny, I had already suggested the Kine, but I edited the post with the Mearas before you had a chance to read it.

I have to admit though, I dont think I have ever read about the Kine of Araw myself, having only read the Silm once and not even finished Unfinished Tales yet.
Spent alot of time searching the Creature section @ tolkiengateway

(Well in a sense, I did read about them, just not in one of Tolkiens books ^^)

Anyway, I'm gonna have to wait untill I get home before I can post a new vague description. I have some books to skim through...

Vaine · 01-23-2009, 11:37 AM

It did justice.

The Might · 01-23-2009, 09:46 PM

Without any real idea... the stone of Erech?

01-08-2009, 06:21 PM	#321
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	What about the House of Kings? Merry and Pippin next to all the stars of M-e including Elendil and Aragorn? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-08-2009, 06:31 PM	#322
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	Oooooooh! I had forgotten that they were laid to rest in Rath Dinen. I bet you're right. This one was driving me crazy. __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

01-12-2009, 02:27 PM	#324
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Remember those descending from ages past? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-12-2009, 07:21 PM	#325
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	I think I'll give it a go in here The line of Barahir? __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

01-13-2009, 07:06 AM	#327
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Nope. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-13-2009, 10:05 PM	#328
Ilya Wight Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: In the cold Posts: 202	Hmm...the Silvan elves, maybe? __________________ Arvedui III has walked to Rivendell!

01-14-2009, 04:38 AM	#329
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	I guess you don't mean the mathoms __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

01-14-2009, 07:29 AM	#330
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	No and no. Old. Like very old. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-14-2009, 08:09 AM	#331
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	Would it be the Druadan? Maybe they aren't old enough.. __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

01-17-2009, 07:47 PM	#333
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Older than Druedain. Istari don't count as they never descended from anything. They just were there. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-17-2009, 09:21 PM	#334
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,037	Here's a wild stab- the spiders of Mirkwood, descended from Ungoliant? __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

01-18-2009, 10:51 AM	#336
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Ok, that is true, but still wrong. The spiders of Mirkwood are a good idea, although not old enough. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-20-2009, 07:23 PM	#337
Ilya Wight Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: In the cold Posts: 202	Hmm...along the same lines, then, how about the long-worms, decendents of dragons? __________________ Arvedui III has walked to Rivendell!

01-21-2009, 04:48 AM	#338
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Nope. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-21-2009, 11:51 AM	#339
Vaine Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 65	Just gonna throw a quick stab here: The white tree saplings, being descendants of Telperion.

01-21-2009, 02:06 PM	#340
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Older. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-21-2009, 02:44 PM	#341
Vaine Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 65	I think I got it: Wargs descending from the werewolves of the first age. Last edited by Vaine; 01-21-2009 at 03:02 PM.

01-21-2009, 03:17 PM	#342
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	That isn't older than Telperion I believe... so it can only be wrong. Look further back! __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-21-2009, 03:19 PM	#343
Vaine Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 65	The mearas, descending from the horses of Aman? Last edited by Vaine; 01-21-2009 at 03:47 PM.

01-21-2009, 10:41 PM	#344
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Ok, that's a good thought, but still not old enough. Think before Aman, before they went to live over the sea. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-21-2009, 10:45 PM	#345
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	It's hard to look to a time without the two trees. The dwarves? Any chance they were created before Telperion? I don't remember what the book says... __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

01-21-2009, 10:47 PM	#346
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Wait... weren't the Dwarves made after they moved to Aman? Please correct me if I am wrong there. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-21-2009, 10:54 PM	#347
Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	Oh! Before they went to Aman! I missed that. This is hard! I can't think of anyone who came in the period between Aman and the song of the Maiar. And I don't think you can mean the Maiar, because they didn't "descend" from anyone. Unless you mean....erm...someone like the Valaraukar? __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

01-22-2009, 01:40 AM	#348
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Just Elves? __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

01-22-2009, 01:46 AM	#349
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	I'm wondering... it wasn't some species of tree, was it? Not the Malorn? __________________ 'It just shows you how true it is that one-half the world doesn't knows how the other three-quarters lives.' Bertie, The Code of the Woosters, by P. G. Wodewouse

01-22-2009, 12:04 PM	#351
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Yes, the malorn also are pretty old... But the thing is for this particular thing... it is said about it that it is said about it to be of this descent Think about the time when they still used to live in Almaren or sometime afterwards... __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-22-2009, 12:38 PM	#352
Vaine Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 65	I think I just realised, when you say 'they' you mean the Valar, and not the 'thing' this puzzle is about. ... thing eh, Are you talking about the Lamps of the Valar, being of the age when the island of Almaren got destroyed by melkor? Or possibly The Children of illuvatar, as all of them could trace their ancestry to the same age and event. or even the inland seas of helcar and rhun? Last edited by Vaine; 01-22-2009 at 01:46 PM.

01-22-2009, 06:06 PM	#354
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Nope, sorry Vaine. Actually, the idea with the horses previously was not that bad... maybe think in a similar direction. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-22-2009, 09:57 PM	#355
Ilya Wight Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: In the cold Posts: 202	Quite a stumper. is it a place, maybe? Utumno? From whence Melkor's evil flowed? __________________ Arvedui III has walked to Rivendell!

01-23-2009, 09:42 AM	#357
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Vaine wins! I'll have to rep you for that when I can. Good job there, looking forward to seeing what you have planned. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

01-23-2009, 11:37 AM	#359
Vaine Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 65	It did justice.

01-23-2009, 09:46 PM	#360
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Without any real idea... the stone of Erech? __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown