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Fingolfin II · 11-05-2004, 02:30 AM

Huor?

Nanedhel · 11-05-2004, 05:00 PM

You have it, Fingolfin II

Fingolfin II · 11-05-2004, 07:07 PM

Cheers,

Who is Fingolfin's daughter's son's father's oldest brother-in-law's son's herald's brother's niece's husband?

Firefoot · 11-05-2004, 07:09 PM

Aragorn.

Fingolfin II · 11-06-2004, 07:48 PM

That is......correct!

Firefoot · 11-06-2004, 08:27 PM

Name two ways Elrond and Túrin are related (one on their mothers' sides and one on their fathers' sides).

NightKnight · 11-07-2004, 05:27 AM

Elrond's father's father was Turin's cousin.
Elrond's mother's father's father's cousin's daughter was Turin's mother.

Firefoot · 11-07-2004, 06:14 AM

I'll take that.

NightKnight · 11-07-2004, 08:24 AM

Right-o.

Who was Maedhros cousin's daughter (two possible answers)?

luthien-elvenprincess · 11-07-2004, 05:06 PM

Idril & Finduilas & Celebrian (I count three

)

NightKnight · 11-08-2004, 12:31 PM

Oops, forgot Idril, and you are of course right. Take it away!

luthien-elvenprincess · 11-08-2004, 05:51 PM

How are Elrond's own children related to him, except their relationship as sons and daughter, of course!

NightKnight · 11-09-2004, 12:12 PM

Elrond is their third cousin, once removed.

luthien-elvenprincess · 11-09-2004, 08:42 PM

Hummmm..NightKnight, could you explain that. I am having trouble seeing the relationship that way. I am seeing it a different way...but, I might be missing something.

NightKnight · 11-11-2004, 12:00 PM

Well, Galadriel and Turgon were first cousins. That makes Idril and Celebrian second cousins, and Eärendil and Arwen/Elladan/Elrohir third cousins. And then Elrond is their third cousin, once removed. Some of the phrases might be wrong, but I think I've got it right.

luthien-elvenprincess · 11-11-2004, 06:18 PM

Ah, I can see it that way too now.
The answer I was looking for was 'fourth cousins'. Elrond was a fourth cousin to his own children as follows:
1st cousins: Luthien and Earwen
2nd cousins: Dior and Galadriel
3rd cousins: Elwing and Celebrian
4th cousins: Elrond and Elladan/Elrohir/Arwen

Following the line as you did shows that Elrond and his grandson were also four

th cousins!

Do you suppose that all the inbreeding is what caused their ears to be pointed?

Since your answer is correct, it is your turn!

NightKnight · 11-14-2004, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Do you suppose that all the inbreeding is what caused their ears to be pointed?

That's it! You've solved it!

How were Merry and Pippin related?

luthien-elvenprincess · 11-15-2004, 09:12 AM

I believe that they were first cousins

NightKnight · 11-15-2004, 01:18 PM

Yep, that they were.

luthien-elvenprincess · 11-16-2004, 05:29 AM

Who are "double first cousins" to each other?

luthien-elvenprincess · 11-20-2004, 08:36 AM

(groan...drags thread back to activity...muscle ache...

)

need a clue?

NightKnight · 11-20-2004, 10:08 AM

Yes please. They're not hobbits, are they?

luthien-elvenprincess · 11-21-2004, 08:06 PM

No, not hobbits.

Clue: a double Edain wedding

Firefoot · 11-25-2004, 08:32 PM

Handir and Húrin/Huor?

luthien-elvenprincess · 11-26-2004, 06:18 AM

Exactly, good job Firefoot

Firefoot · 11-26-2004, 08:34 AM

Cheers.

What is the most distant way that Merry and Frodo are related?

(I hope this is at least remotely hard - it's getting tricky to come up with good questions for this game.

)

luthien-elvenprincess · 11-30-2004, 07:21 AM

how about second cousins, once removed?

Firefoot · 11-30-2004, 02:55 PM

Nope.

Galadriel55 · 02-18-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Firefoot

What is the most distant way that Merry and Frodo are related?

All the hobbits are related somehow. The most distant way would be several pages long.

08-10-2011, 08:49 PM

i agree , Sorry it took me so extended to reply. Your turn.

Urwen · 03-29-2020, 09:17 AM

You'll love this one....or not....

Who is Arwen's paternal first cousin thrice removed?

Huinesoron · 03-29-2020, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

You'll love this one....or not....

Who is Arwen's paternal first cousin thrice removed?

I think she has several, none of whom she lived at the same time as.

Her paternal first cousin is her father's sibling's child - ie, Vardamir Nolimon, titular second King of Numenor. That much I could do without looking at the family tree.

You can't go three generations up from Vardamir (well, you can, but you hit Earendil, who's Arwen's grandad, not her cousin), so you have to go down. Known members of the fifth generation of the House of Elros are:

-Irimion Tar-Meneldur, big fan of stars, not a big fan of his son bickering with his wife.
-Silmarien, unfairly untitled mother of the Lords of Andunie.
-Isilme, the 'and Peggy' of Tar-Elendil's kids.
-Caliondo, grandson of Tar-Amandil, and father of Malantur, Tar-Aldarion's heir apparent until he changed the law to let Ancalime rule (quite right too).
-Cemendur, great-grandson of Vardamir, and grandfather of Hallacar husband of Ancalime.
-Lindisse, sister of the above.
-Ardamir, brother of the above.

That's, what, seven named characters in the fifth generation? I've got to be honest, I didn't expect anywhere near that many. I'm not at all sure I haven't missed a couple, either.

(Does the tree branch out this much all the way down? I kind of want to look into that at some point...)

hS

Urwen · 03-29-2020, 01:03 PM

Nope.

I got the information I am after from Sporcle.

Huinesoron · 03-29-2020, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Nope.

I got the information I am after from Sporcle.

Are you saying nope, none of those are that type of cousin, or nope, I didn't find the one you're after?

(Maeglin is her paternal fourth cousin thrice removed, incidentally; I know because I checked that first.

)

hS

Urwen · 03-29-2020, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Are you saying nope, none of those are that type of cousin, or nope, I didn't find the one you're after?

(Maeglin is her paternal fourth cousin thrice removed, incidentally; I know because I checked that first.

)

hS

Well, then Sporcle gave me false information.

You have failed me, Sporcle.

Huinesoron · 03-29-2020, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Well, then Sporcle gave me false information.

You have failed me, Sporcle.

Ah, but cousinness isn't reversible. The degree of cousin is based on how far back you have to go for a shared ancestor: first is a shared grandparent, second a shared Great-grandparent, etc. Maeglin's granddad was Fingolfin, who is Arwen's ancestor, but he's Arwen's great-great-great-granddad, hence fourth cousin from her side. (The remove is how many generations apart they are; that stays the same.)

hS

Urwen · 03-29-2020, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Ah, but cousinness isn't reversible. The degree of cousin is based on how far back you have to go for a shared ancestor: first is a shared grandparent, second a shared Great-grandparent, etc. Maeglin's granddad was Fingolfin, who is Arwen's ancestor, but he's Arwen's great-great-great-granddad, hence fourth cousin from her side. (The remove is how many generations apart they are; that stays the same.)

hS

Huinesoron · 03-29-2020, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

So clearly they didn't know that.

hS

Huinesoron · 03-29-2020, 02:55 PM

And I guess it's me?

At the time of the War of the Ring, Gimli has one known living cousin at zero removes - ie, just a first, second, third etc cousin. What degree of cousin is he?

hS

Urwen · 03-29-2020, 03:31 PM

Zeroth cousin?

11-05-2004, 02:30 AM	#321
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	Huor? __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

11-05-2004, 07:07 PM	#323
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	Cheers, Who is Fingolfin's daughter's son's father's oldest brother-in-law's son's herald's brother's niece's husband? __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

11-06-2004, 07:48 PM	#325
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	That is......correct! __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

11-07-2004, 05:27 AM	#327
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Elrond's father's father was Turin's cousin. Elrond's mother's father's father's cousin's daughter was Turin's mother. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

11-07-2004, 08:24 AM	#329
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Right-o. Who was Maedhros cousin's daughter (two possible answers)? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

11-05-2004, 05:00 PM	#322
Nanedhel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 36	You have it, Fingolfin II

11-05-2004, 07:09 PM	#324
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Aragorn.

11-06-2004, 08:27 PM	#326
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Name two ways Elrond and Túrin are related (one on their mothers' sides and one on their fathers' sides).

11-07-2004, 06:14 AM	#328
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I'll take that.

11-07-2004, 05:06 PM	#330
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	Idril & Finduilas & Celebrian (I count three ) __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

11-08-2004, 12:31 PM	#331
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Oops, forgot Idril, and you are of course right. Take it away! __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

11-08-2004, 05:51 PM	#332
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	How are Elrond's own children related to him, except their relationship as sons and daughter, of course! __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

11-09-2004, 12:12 PM	#333
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Elrond is their third cousin, once removed. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

11-09-2004, 08:42 PM	#334
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	Hummmm..NightKnight, could you explain that. I am having trouble seeing the relationship that way. I am seeing it a different way...but, I might be missing something. __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

11-11-2004, 12:00 PM	#335
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Well, Galadriel and Turgon were first cousins. That makes Idril and Celebrian second cousins, and Eärendil and Arwen/Elladan/Elrohir third cousins. And then Elrond is their third cousin, once removed. Some of the phrases might be wrong, but I think I've got it right. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

11-11-2004, 06:18 PM	#336
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	Ah, I can see it that way too now. The answer I was looking for was 'fourth cousins'. Elrond was a fourth cousin to his own children as follows: 1st cousins: Luthien and Earwen 2nd cousins: Dior and Galadriel 3rd cousins: Elwing and Celebrian 4th cousins: Elrond and Elladan/Elrohir/Arwen Following the line as you did shows that Elrond and his grandson were also four th cousins! Do you suppose that all the inbreeding is what caused their ears to be pointed? Since your answer is correct, it is your turn! __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

11-15-2004, 09:12 AM	#338
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	I believe that they were first cousins __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

11-15-2004, 01:18 PM	#339
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Yep, that they were. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

11-16-2004, 05:29 AM	#340
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	Who are "double first cousins" to each other? __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

11-20-2004, 08:36 AM	#341
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	(groan...drags thread back to activity...muscle ache... ) need a clue? __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

11-20-2004, 10:08 AM	#342
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Yes please. They're not hobbits, are they? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

11-21-2004, 08:06 PM	#343
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	No, not hobbits. Clue: a double Edain wedding __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

11-25-2004, 08:32 PM	#344
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Handir and Húrin/Huor?

11-26-2004, 06:18 AM	#345
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	Exactly, good job Firefoot __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

11-26-2004, 08:34 AM	#346
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Cheers. What is the most distant way that Merry and Frodo are related? (I hope this is at least remotely hard - it's getting tricky to come up with good questions for this game. )

11-30-2004, 07:21 AM	#347
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	how about second cousins, once removed? __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

11-30-2004, 02:55 PM	#348
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Nope.

08-10-2011, 08:49 PM	#350
Supermanglide Guest Posts: n/a	i agree , Sorry it took me so extended to reply. Your turn.

03-29-2020, 09:17 AM	#351
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	Revival hour You'll love this one....or not.... Who is Arwen's paternal first cousin thrice removed? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-29-2020, 01:03 PM	#353
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	Nope. I got the information I am after from Sporcle. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-29-2020, 02:55 PM	#359
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,894	And I guess it's me? At the time of the War of the Ring, Gimli has one known living cousin at zero removes - ie, just a first, second, third etc cousin. What degree of cousin is he? hS

03-29-2020, 03:31 PM	#360
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	Zeroth cousin? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.