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Gil-Galad · 05-16-2005, 07:10 AM

right...let me see here...

Founding of First, maintained of Second, both co-mingled yet hard to see unless First, commanded by a Greater Second and a Lesser Second after the war...

Marky Lazer · 06-20-2005, 05:49 AM

Time for some hints, methinks.

Gil-Galad · 06-20-2005, 11:06 AM

it was during the WOTR

Arestevana · 06-22-2005, 11:46 AM

Minas Ithil?

Founding of First
At the start it was first in importance of the towers, as the fortress-city of Isildur.
maintained of Second
It was taken by Sauron and though retaken in the early Third Age, was thereafter second to Minas Anor.
Both co-mingled yet hard to see unless First
Minas Ithil was captured again by Sauron's forces, and both it and Minas Anor were renamed. The Palantir of Minas Anor was controlled by the Ithil-stone, making it difficult to "see" through the stone.
Or perhaps that once the First (Ithil) became the Second (Morgul), moonlight no longer lit the tower at night, and that pallid witch-light that replaced it was not enough to see by?
commanded by a Greater Second and a Lesser Second after the war
Minas Ithil (Morgul) was commanded by The Witch King, Sauron's second-in-command, before the War of the Ring, and afterward by Faramir, who as the heir of the steward and Prince of Ithilien could logically be considered Aragorn's second. The Witch King is greater than Faramir, as seen when the latter succumbed to the Black Breath.

A shot in the dark...or in that weird Morgul light.

Gil-Galad · 06-22-2005, 11:52 AM

nope...close with Faramir though...it is a place

Arestevana · 06-22-2005, 12:19 PM

Emyn Arnen, then?

Founding of the first Ithilien Principate, perhaps? Maintaining...the stewardship?
Commanded by Faramir (and Beregond, captain of the White Company)
Or by Faramir and Eowyn, each a second child...

Gil-Galad · 06-22-2005, 12:30 PM

your close with Faramir and Eowyn

Arestevana · 06-22-2005, 02:06 PM

Well, that puts one in mind of the Houses of Healing...

Eowyn's stay was founded by the orders of the Master Healer, when she wished to leave, but was later maintained by her own will, though she was pronounced well.
Eowyn and Faramir were together often during the latter part of their stay in the Houses of Healing, but could not have visitors without the approval of the Master Healer.

...but that would make the Greater and Lesser Seconds the voices in Eowyn's head... Alack, my reasoning appears to be faulty.
Unless of course, you refer to her two mindsets: childish infatuation with Aragorn giving way to love for Faramir?

Gil-Galad · 06-22-2005, 03:13 PM

*sigh* its a city...

Kath · 06-22-2005, 04:08 PM

Ok there is some logic behind this but it is pretty screwed up so I might ramble a bit.

Last bit first is that I think Greater Second refers to Faramir because he is second in line to being Steward and Lesser Second is Eowyn because she is technically second in line but is from Rohan which is less important than Gondor.

Then keeping in with that theme First should be Boromir and second Faramir.

I am totally stumped on the co-mingled bit.

Actually this is really hard! I'm going to say Osgiliath on the guess that Faramir and Eowyn were left in charge after the war and that Boromir first freed it from the orc invasion and then it was left to Faramir to maintain it.

the guy who be short · 07-10-2005, 01:00 PM

He fell ere Gorthaur's realm did fall
The sign he brought was clear to all
Though hidden long it did remain
A sign of hope for men of Sauron's bane.

Who was it?

Marky Lazer · 07-12-2005, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

He fell ere Gorthaur's realm did fall
The sign he brought was clear to all
Though hidden long it did remain
A sign of hope for men of Sauron's bane.

Who was it?

Gorthaur -> Sauron, banished 25 March III 3019. At this same time Gandalf, Aragorn, Éomer, Imrahil and the other lords of the allied force rode against the gates of Mordor, but I don't know anyone who fell there :S

I hope I helped someone else with my thinking out loud...

the guy who be short · 07-12-2005, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Gorthaur -> Sauron, banished 25 March III 3019.

Correct.

Ere means before, remember. It might be easier to think about what the "sign he bore" was first.

Kath · 07-12-2005, 07:17 AM

The only person I can think of right now is Aragorn. He had the green stone on his forehead or the banner for 'signs he bore'. He was long hidden as were these two signs but when revealed they brought hope to men. But he did not fall before Sauron so . . . ?

the guy who be short · 07-12-2005, 07:40 AM

You're on the right track with the signs, but it's not Aragorn.

07-16-2005, 12:13 AM

He fell ere Gorthaur's realm did fall---he died at Amon Hen
The sign he brought was clear to all---his horn
Though hidden long it did remain---gondor was long a, well, pretty sad place
A sign of hope for men of Sauron's bane---"my lord, my brother, my king"

Who was it?---Boromir!

the guy who be short · 07-16-2005, 05:19 AM

Nope, sorry!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kath

The only person I can think of right now is Aragorn. He had the green stone on his forehead or the banner for 'signs he bore'. He was long hidden as were these two signs but when revealed they brought hope to men.

That's the closest anybody's got so far (pretty darn close, actually).

Kath · 07-16-2005, 10:36 AM

Was it maybe the man who brought the signs from Galadriel/Arwen to Aragorn? The Dunedain man gave him the banner I know that much. Tell me if this is right and I'll go find his name. The books have to be around here somewhere

.

the guy who be short · 07-16-2005, 10:46 AM

You've got it! (Get me his name or I won't give it to you

).

Kath · 07-16-2005, 04:04 PM

Bully. Ok it was . . . Halbarad! I knew it began with H!

the guy who be short · 07-18-2005, 10:05 AM

Vrai. He died at the Pellenor Fields, if anybody, you know, cares.

Over to Kath.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-31-2005, 08:17 AM

Kath?

Kath · 07-31-2005, 09:19 AM

Sorry I've been having trouble thinking of one. Next time I guess I'll make sure I have one to hand! You can take it Nilp.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 07-31-2005, 09:31 AM

No! I just poke people!

*sigh* But only since you asked.

I shall think of one up soon. About 24 hours from now.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 08-02-2005, 10:04 AM

Angel of sorrow,
Listening, lamenting, watering.

the guy who be short · 08-02-2005, 10:15 AM

Nienna.

Angel = Vala. Cries a lot = lamenting. Watered the mound of Ezellohar (most likely spelt wrong, sorry) with her tears.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 08-02-2005, 10:17 AM

You got it.

Your thread.

the guy who be short · 08-02-2005, 02:38 PM

In the Haven of Birds
Of the People who were Third,
This evil, first of its kind,
Was commited, and left behind.

Gil-Galad · 08-02-2005, 05:42 PM

sounds like Aquallonde(sp), and the first Kinslaying

the guy who be short · 08-03-2005, 09:25 AM

Yup, the Kinslaying of Alqualonde. Over to G-G.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 08-07-2005, 08:43 PM

Gil-galad?

Gil-Galad · 08-08-2005, 11:13 AM

I'm back now...though overly sore

Place of refuge for the tall and place of riches for the not so-tall

quite easy...

the guy who be short · 08-08-2005, 01:20 PM

Glittering Caves?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 08-09-2005, 11:44 PM

Gil-galad?

Gil-Galad · 08-10-2005, 01:54 PM

yep TGWBS is correctamondo

the guy who be short · 08-11-2005, 10:54 AM

Blergh. I can't think of anything, so an easy one:

A fishy city.

Alcarillo · 08-11-2005, 12:11 PM

Tirion-upon-Túna?

the guy who be short · 08-11-2005, 02:50 PM

D'accord. Over to you, Alcarillo.

I love your name by the way.

So Bombadilesque.

Alcarillo · 08-14-2005, 01:12 PM

Sorry for the delay, I couldn't think up anything very clever, so here goes:

Zombie-land

I know it's somewhat wierd, but I made it up on the spot.

Mithalwen · 08-14-2005, 01:57 PM

Paths of the dead?

05-16-2005, 07:10 AM	#321
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	right...let me see here... Founding of First, maintained of Second, both co-mingled yet hard to see unless First, commanded by a Greater Second and a Lesser Second after the war... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

06-20-2005, 05:49 AM	#322
Marky Lazer Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 82	Time for some hints, methinks. __________________ There are two kind of people. Those who have read Tolkien, and those who are going to read Tolkien.

06-20-2005, 11:06 AM	#323
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	it was during the WOTR __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

06-22-2005, 11:52 AM	#325
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	nope...close with Faramir though...it is a place __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

06-22-2005, 12:30 PM	#327
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	your close with Faramir and Eowyn __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

06-22-2005, 11:46 AM	#324
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	Minas Ithil? Founding of First At the start it was first in importance of the towers, as the fortress-city of Isildur. maintained of Second It was taken by Sauron and though retaken in the early Third Age, was thereafter second to Minas Anor. Both co-mingled yet hard to see unless First Minas Ithil was captured again by Sauron's forces, and both it and Minas Anor were renamed. The Palantir of Minas Anor was controlled by the Ithil-stone, making it difficult to "see" through the stone. Or perhaps that once the First (Ithil) became the Second (Morgul), moonlight no longer lit the tower at night, and that pallid witch-light that replaced it was not enough to see by? commanded by a Greater Second and a Lesser Second after the war Minas Ithil (Morgul) was commanded by The Witch King, Sauron's second-in-command, before the War of the Ring, and afterward by Faramir, who as the heir of the steward and Prince of Ithilien could logically be considered Aragorn's second. The Witch King is greater than Faramir, as seen when the latter succumbed to the Black Breath. A shot in the dark...or in that weird Morgul light.

06-22-2005, 12:19 PM	#326
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	Emyn Arnen, then? Founding of the first Ithilien Principate, perhaps? Maintaining...the stewardship? Commanded by Faramir (and Beregond, captain of the White Company) Or by Faramir and Eowyn, each a second child...

06-22-2005, 02:06 PM	#328
Arestevana Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: West over water Posts: 486	Well, that puts one in mind of the Houses of Healing... Eowyn's stay was founded by the orders of the Master Healer, when she wished to leave, but was later maintained by her own will, though she was pronounced well. Eowyn and Faramir were together often during the latter part of their stay in the Houses of Healing, but could not have visitors without the approval of the Master Healer. ...but that would make the Greater and Lesser Seconds the voices in Eowyn's head... Alack, my reasoning appears to be faulty. Unless of course, you refer to her two mindsets: childish infatuation with Aragorn giving way to love for Faramir?

06-22-2005, 03:13 PM	#329
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	sigh its a city... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

06-22-2005, 04:08 PM	#330
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Ok there is some logic behind this but it is pretty screwed up so I might ramble a bit. Last bit first is that I think Greater Second refers to Faramir because he is second in line to being Steward and Lesser Second is Eowyn because she is technically second in line but is from Rohan which is less important than Gondor. Then keeping in with that theme First should be Boromir and second Faramir. I am totally stumped on the co-mingled bit. Actually this is really hard! I'm going to say Osgiliath on the guess that Faramir and Eowyn were left in charge after the war and that Boromir first freed it from the orc invasion and then it was left to Faramir to maintain it. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

07-10-2005, 01:00 PM	#331
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Revival He fell ere Gorthaur's realm did fall The sign he brought was clear to all Though hidden long it did remain A sign of hope for men of Sauron's bane. Who was it?

07-12-2005, 07:17 AM	#334
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	The only person I can think of right now is Aragorn. He had the green stone on his forehead or the banner for 'signs he bore'. He was long hidden as were these two signs but when revealed they brought hope to men. But he did not fall before Sauron so . . . ? __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

07-12-2005, 07:40 AM	#335
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	You're on the right track with the signs, but it's not Aragorn.

07-16-2005, 12:13 AM	#336
fillynicole Guest Posts: n/a	I think I got it! He fell ere Gorthaur's realm did fall---he died at Amon Hen The sign he brought was clear to all---his horn Though hidden long it did remain---gondor was long a, well, pretty sad place A sign of hope for men of Sauron's bane---"my lord, my brother, my king" Who was it?---Boromir!

07-16-2005, 10:36 AM	#338
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Was it maybe the man who brought the signs from Galadriel/Arwen to Aragorn? The Dunedain man gave him the banner I know that much. Tell me if this is right and I'll go find his name. The books have to be around here somewhere . __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

07-16-2005, 10:46 AM	#339
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	You've got it! (Get me his name or I won't give it to you ).

07-16-2005, 04:04 PM	#340
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Bully. Ok it was . . . Halbarad! I knew it began with H! __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

07-18-2005, 10:05 AM	#341
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Vrai. He died at the Pellenor Fields, if anybody, you know, cares. Over to Kath.

07-31-2005, 08:17 AM	#342
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	*poke* Kath? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

07-31-2005, 09:19 AM	#343
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Sorry I've been having trouble thinking of one. Next time I guess I'll make sure I have one to hand! You can take it Nilp. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

07-31-2005, 09:31 AM	#344
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Me? No! I just poke people! sigh But only since you asked. I shall think of one up soon. About 24 hours from now. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

08-02-2005, 10:04 AM	#345
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	(More than 24 hours later . . . ) Angel of sorrow, Listening, lamenting, watering. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

08-02-2005, 10:15 AM	#346
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Nienna. Angel = Vala. Cries a lot = lamenting. Watered the mound of Ezellohar (most likely spelt wrong, sorry) with her tears.

08-02-2005, 10:17 AM	#347
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Yes. You got it. Your thread. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

08-02-2005, 02:38 PM	#348
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	In the Haven of Birds Of the People who were Third, This evil, first of its kind, Was commited, and left behind.

08-02-2005, 05:42 PM	#349
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	sounds like Aquallonde(sp), and the first Kinslaying __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

08-03-2005, 09:25 AM	#350
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Yup, the Kinslaying of Alqualonde. Over to G-G.

08-07-2005, 08:43 PM	#351
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	*bump* Gil-galad? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

08-08-2005, 11:13 AM	#352
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	I'm back now...though overly sore Place of refuge for the tall and place of riches for the not so-tall quite easy... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

08-08-2005, 01:20 PM	#353
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Glittering Caves?

08-09-2005, 11:44 PM	#354
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	*bump* Gil-galad? __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

08-10-2005, 01:54 PM	#355
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	yep TGWBS is correctamondo __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

08-11-2005, 10:54 AM	#356
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Blergh. I can't think of anything, so an easy one: A fishy city.

08-11-2005, 12:11 PM	#357
Alcarillo Shadow of the Past Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minas Mor-go Posts: 1,007	My 200th Post Tirion-upon-Túna?

08-11-2005, 02:50 PM	#358
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	D'accord. Over to you, Alcarillo. I love your name by the way. So Bombadilesque.