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Urwen · 09-24-2019, 04:46 AM

Got it. Arwen.

B A L E
S R E N
W A P
T R E E S
N I G H T

Mithalwen · 09-24-2019, 07:03 AM

Correct. Arwen means noble woman which is what she is... right back to trying to do a password which might take longer to solve than set.

Urwen · 09-24-2019, 02:32 PM

A short and easy one.....or is it?

He is a thief
Who stole this from me
And in the end,
Death was my fate, you see

Pervinca Took · 09-24-2019, 03:48 PM

Bilbo and Smaug and the stolen cup?

Urwen · 09-24-2019, 04:09 PM

Nope.

Urwen · 10-06-2019, 05:35 AM

Bump

Urwen · 10-25-2019, 03:16 PM

It's free for the taking, yet no one wants to.....

I give you a day more before I continue this, and fair warning, my shall be related to you-know-who in some manner (please don't make a Voldemort pun), so if you want to prevent my obseeesiiiveee ways, better step up now while you still have the chance.

Galadriel55 · 10-26-2019, 07:25 AM

Bilbo and Gollum? Bilbo and the Troll? Morgoth and Feanor or Finwe? Beren and Morgoth?

The riddle doesn't have that many clues pointing to specific instances. There were so many people who stole things from other people who dies sometime after - not to mention the more liberal interpretation where one or both elements are not actually people, and "this" is not a physical item. It would be nice to have a more concrete clue to work with.

But keep your Voldemort riddle, I'd like to see it!

Urwen · 10-26-2019, 09:46 AM

Well, if you want to see it so badly, here it is

I am a creature of night
I made death take flight
I have no nose
Yet my true nature is ophiose.

(Well, you wanted it and I wanted this thread to continue, so.)

Pervinca Took · 10-26-2019, 09:56 AM

Thorin and the Arkenstone? (The thief riddle).

Urwen · 10-26-2019, 01:24 PM

Nope.

Pervinca Took · 10-26-2019, 04:11 PM

Isildur stole the fruit of Nimloth. (It died, but the fruit didn't).

Urwen · 10-27-2019, 03:18 AM

Right time period, wrong answer.

Huinesoron · 11-05-2019, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Well, if you want to see it so badly, here it is

I am a creature of night
I made death take flight
I have no nose
Yet my true nature is ophiose.

(Well, you wanted it and I wanted this thread to continue, so.)

Dropping back in after a madcap couple of weeks... ophiose, ophiose. Appears to be something to do with serpents... which makes it a very Voldemort riddle indeed!

But unless I missed something in Cursed Child, I don't think Voldy is in Middle-earth these days. So... you implied a connection to Gondolin... is it a Balrog? I feel like Gandalf said it was serpentine after its fall into water, and it's certainly a creature of Shadow (and as a Maia, has no innate nose). Not sure about the death part, unless it refers to them scaring away Ungoliant.

hS

Galadriel55 · 11-05-2019, 02:59 PM

Do Balrogs have no noses? No wings, yes. But no noses on top of that is just salt in the wound.

For the record, my first thought was that death taking flight IS the Balrog to whom the oh so ambiguous famous line refers. However I do not think there is a specific subject that would match that case.

Galadriel55 · 11-05-2019, 04:19 PM

Ohh. Is it a Fell Beast? Main reason being that it allowed the Nazgul to fly.

Urwen · 11-06-2019, 07:53 AM

That was a joke riddle.....

Galadriel55 · 11-06-2019, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

That was a joke riddle.....

But what if there is an actual answer?

Huinesoron · 11-07-2019, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

That was a joke riddle.....

[Quietly closes the Complete List of Noseless Entities of Arda...]

hS

Urwen · 11-07-2019, 05:12 PM

Would anyone like to go next?

Huinesoron · 02-29-2020, 03:39 PM

I love you, Riddle Thread!

... oh, you meant something more than that, didn't you, Urwen?

They seek him here
They seek him there
Those Hobbits seek him everywhere
Is he in the valley
Or up on the hill?
That danged elusive
[Insert answer here]

hS

Urwen · 02-29-2020, 03:45 PM

All Hobbits or some Hobbits? Cos Gandalf comes to mind....

Or Tom Bombadil?

Huinesoron · 02-29-2020, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

All Hobbits or some Hobbits? Cos Gandalf comes to mind....

Or Tom Bombadil?

"That danged elusive Bombadil", for the rhyme.

hS

Urwen · 02-29-2020, 06:38 PM

An old name
For the person connected to flame
People think 'break a leg'
When they recall 'Morleg'
During the battle he was slain
And the truth shall remain plain.

(Even though the riddle is factual, I am still deceiving you.

)

Huinesoron · 03-03-2020, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

An old name
For the person connected to flame
People think 'break a leg'
When they recall 'Morleg'
During the battle he was slain
And the truth shall remain plain.

(Even though the riddle is factual, I am still deceiving you.

)

So, um... is the answer anything other than 'Maeglin'?

hS

Urwen · 03-03-2020, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

So, um... is the answer anything other than 'Maeglin'?

hS

The answer is 'Morleg', silly. It says so right in the riddle.

But I suppose that, if you want to be pedantic, FoG can also be the answer, as could 'the individuals whose name is reviled'.

Huinesoron · 03-03-2020, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

The answer is 'Morleg', silly. It says so right in the riddle.

Um... true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

But I suppose that, if you want to be pedantic, FoG can also be the answer, as could 'the individuals whose name is reviled'.

Argh, I should have dug up some of the dozen ways Tolkien tried to name him after a metal and replied with one of those. That would've been clever.

hS

Urwen · 03-03-2020, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Um... true.

Argh, I should have dug up some of the dozen ways Tolkien tried to name him after a metal and replied with one of those. That would've been clever.

hS

Well, he was a metalworker.....

Urwen · 03-03-2020, 10:58 AM

Your go, should you want it.

Urwen · 03-04-2020, 08:54 AM

You up for making one?

Huinesoron · 03-04-2020, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

You up for making one?

Thinking on it. Will try to post one tonight.

hS

Huinesoron · 03-05-2020, 02:47 AM

Okay, let's go back to this style:

I know that there was once a time
He gave his love to me,
But I lost him to the sword,
Then lost him to the Sea.
He took my heart out with him
And left our child with me.
Now I languish in the haven.
Who am I?
And who is he?

hS

Urwen · 03-05-2020, 03:49 AM

Sorry for leaping in, but it screams Erendis and Aldarion.

Huinesoron · 03-05-2020, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Sorry for leaping in, but it screams Erendis and Aldarion.

It does indeed.

... but it's not them.

hS

Urwen · 03-05-2020, 04:55 AM

So he is connected to both the sword and the sea? I know Hurin perished in the sea and Turin perished by the sword, but not both. Tar-Miriel also perished in the sea, but she is not 'he'.

Feanor and Nerdanel could fit, except he never left any of their children with her (unless you count HoME, where one of the twins burned with the ships and was presumably reborn).

Yeah, that sounds plausible, so is it them?

Huinesoron · 03-05-2020, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

So he is connected to both the sword and the sea?

I can confirm that he is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

I know Hurin perished in the sea and Turin perished by the sword, but not both. Tar-Miriel also perished in the sea, but she is not 'he'.

Perishing in the Sea is a good thought to follow.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Feanor and Nerdanel could fit, except he never left any of their children with her (unless you count HoME, where one of the twins burned with the ships and was presumably reborn).

Yeah, that sounds plausible, so is it them?

Alas, it is not. (Even if I did count HoME, I'd assume Amrod-or-Amras was still a Kinslayer, and still under the Doom of Mandos, so not likely to be reborn for a long time.)

I'll mention that I've made a slight assumption, in that the speaker is not explicitly said to be alive at the time they would have to be speaking the riddle. (Nor are they in any way implied to be dead, and the timeline makes sense for them to be alive.)

hS

Urwen · 03-05-2020, 07:35 AM

Apart from Hurin and Zimraphel, the only one who perished in the sea is Amroth, and Nimrodel is implied to still be alive. But there is no child mentioned in their tale.

Urwen · 03-05-2020, 07:43 AM

Wait, the speaker might not be a person.....

Urwen · 03-05-2020, 07:45 AM

Maybe it's Nienor and Turin. I know that Turin took his own life with a sword, and later the sea swallowed Beleriand.....but Tol-Morwen remained, so that can't be it.

Huinesoron · 03-05-2020, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Apart from Hurin and Zimraphel, the only one who perished in the sea is Amroth, and Nimrodel is implied to still be alive. But there is no child mentioned in their tale.

It's not, and you're not right about them being the only ones who died in the Sea.

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Wait, the speaker might not be a person.....

I can tell you that it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Maybe it's Nienor and Turin. I know that Turin took his own life with a sword, and later the sea swallowed Beleriand.....but Tol-Morwen remained, so that can't be it.

Nope. Bear in mind that 'I languish in the haven' has to be after 'I lost him to the Sea'.

hS

09-24-2019, 04:46 AM	#3481
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Got it. Arwen. B A L E S R E N W A P T R E E S N I G H T __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

09-24-2019, 07:03 AM	#3482
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Correct. Arwen means noble woman which is what she is... right back to trying to do a password which might take longer to solve than set. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

09-24-2019, 02:32 PM	#3483
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	A short and easy one.....or is it? He is a thief Who stole this from me And in the end, Death was my fate, you see __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

09-24-2019, 03:48 PM	#3484
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Bilbo and Smaug and the stolen cup? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

09-24-2019, 04:09 PM	#3485
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Nope. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

10-06-2019, 05:35 AM	#3486
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Bump __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

10-25-2019, 03:16 PM	#3487
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	It's free for the taking, yet no one wants to..... I give you a day more before I continue this, and fair warning, my shall be related to you-know-who in some manner (please don't make a Voldemort pun), so if you want to prevent my obseeesiiiveee ways, better step up now while you still have the chance. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

10-26-2019, 07:25 AM	#3488
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,401	Bilbo and Gollum? Bilbo and the Troll? Morgoth and Feanor or Finwe? Beren and Morgoth? The riddle doesn't have that many clues pointing to specific instances. There were so many people who stole things from other people who dies sometime after - not to mention the more liberal interpretation where one or both elements are not actually people, and "this" is not a physical item. It would be nice to have a more concrete clue to work with. But keep your Voldemort riddle, I'd like to see it! __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

10-26-2019, 09:46 AM	#3489
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Well, if you want to see it so badly, here it is I am a creature of night I made death take flight I have no nose Yet my true nature is ophiose. (Well, you wanted it and I wanted this thread to continue, so.) __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

10-26-2019, 09:56 AM	#3490
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Thorin and the Arkenstone? (The thief riddle). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

10-26-2019, 01:24 PM	#3491
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Nope. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

10-26-2019, 04:11 PM	#3492
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Isildur stole the fruit of Nimloth. (It died, but the fruit didn't). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

10-27-2019, 03:18 AM	#3493
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Right time period, wrong answer. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

11-05-2019, 02:59 PM	#3495
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,401	Do Balrogs have no noses? No wings, yes. But no noses on top of that is just salt in the wound. For the record, my first thought was that death taking flight IS the Balrog to whom the oh so ambiguous famous line refers. However I do not think there is a specific subject that would match that case. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

11-05-2019, 04:19 PM	#3496
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,401	Ohh. Is it a Fell Beast? Main reason being that it allowed the Nazgul to fly. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

11-06-2019, 07:53 AM	#3497
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	That was a joke riddle..... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

11-07-2019, 05:12 PM	#3500
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Would anyone like to go next? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

02-29-2020, 03:39 PM	#3501
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,909	I love you, Riddle Thread! ... oh, you meant something more than that, didn't you, Urwen? They seek him here They seek him there Those Hobbits seek him everywhere Is he in the valley Or up on the hill? That danged elusive [Insert answer here] hS

02-29-2020, 03:45 PM	#3502
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	All Hobbits or some Hobbits? Cos Gandalf comes to mind.... Or Tom Bombadil? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

02-29-2020, 06:38 PM	#3504
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	A rather silly riddle, but I am feeling silly An old name For the person connected to flame People think 'break a leg' When they recall 'Morleg' During the battle he was slain And the truth shall remain plain. (Even though the riddle is factual, I am still deceiving you. ) __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-03-2020, 10:58 AM	#3509
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Your go, should you want it. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-04-2020, 08:54 AM	#3510
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	You up for making one? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-05-2020, 02:47 AM	#3512
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,909	Okay, let's go back to this style: I know that there was once a time He gave his love to me, But I lost him to the sword, Then lost him to the Sea. He took my heart out with him And left our child with me. Now I languish in the haven. Who am I? And who is he? hS

03-05-2020, 03:49 AM	#3513
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Sorry for leaping in, but it screams Erendis and Aldarion. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-05-2020, 04:55 AM	#3515
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	So he is connected to both the sword and the sea? I know Hurin perished in the sea and Turin perished by the sword, but not both. Tar-Miriel also perished in the sea, but she is not 'he'. Feanor and Nerdanel could fit, except he never left any of their children with her (unless you count HoME, where one of the twins burned with the ships and was presumably reborn). Yeah, that sounds plausible, so is it them? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia. Last edited by Urwen; 03-05-2020 at 04:58 AM.

03-05-2020, 07:35 AM	#3517
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Apart from Hurin and Zimraphel, the only one who perished in the sea is Amroth, and Nimrodel is implied to still be alive. But there is no child mentioned in their tale. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-05-2020, 07:43 AM	#3518
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Wait, the speaker might not be a person..... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-05-2020, 07:45 AM	#3519
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,387	Maybe it's Nienor and Turin. I know that Turin took his own life with a sword, and later the sea swallowed Beleriand.....but Tol-Morwen remained, so that can't be it. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.