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Faenaduial · 04-01-2003, 03:33 PM

The Stone of Erech?

Eruanna · 04-01-2003, 03:42 PM

Yes, quite correct!
Your turn. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Faenaduial · 04-04-2003, 01:01 PM

Sorry this took so long. It's short and easy.

Unnatural home for a natural race
Made against threat from the shadow it faced

elven maiden Earwen · 04-06-2003, 10:38 AM

lothlorien or mirkwood

Beren87 · 04-06-2003, 10:50 AM

Nargothrond?

Lyra Greenleaf · 04-06-2003, 10:54 AM

Isengard?
Gondolin?
Minas Anor or Ithil?

alquadae · 04-06-2003, 10:56 AM

Tower of Cirth Ungol

elven maiden Earwen · 04-06-2003, 10:56 AM

mengroth??

Faenaduial · 04-06-2003, 03:50 PM

Earwen you are correct.

I was thinking of Thranduil's kingdom in Mirkwood.

elven maiden Earwen · 04-06-2003, 08:20 PM

I am the mound were there was gold
but silver is the older i am told
but shadow came one day
and that who sits apon me
hasnt shined since the first age

piosenniel · 04-07-2003, 01:12 AM

The Green Mound, Ezellohar, also called Corollairë - before the western gates of Valmar, where the Two Trees of Valinor grew.

elven maiden Earwen · 04-07-2003, 07:16 AM

correct you are so its your go.

piosenniel · 04-07-2003, 09:46 AM

O! See the waters break upon the prow,
Their shimmering mists leap up to limn the trees,
That mast-like stand behind its rocky bow -
No sails to move the ship to salty seas.

And let the fires burn at Amon Dîn,
Should shadow breach the way and enter in.

alquadae · 04-07-2003, 08:04 PM

Tol Eressa ?

piosenniel · 04-08-2003, 01:46 AM

Sorry . . . no

alquadae · 04-08-2003, 03:42 AM

Osgilath?

Eruanna · 04-08-2003, 06:43 AM

Minas Tirith?

[ April 08, 2003: Message edited by: Eruanna ]

piosenniel · 04-08-2003, 11:04 AM

Let's take the riddle apart a little:

O! See the waters break upon the prow,
Their shimmering mists leap up to limn the trees,
That mast-like stand behind its rocky bow -
No sails to move the ship to salty seas.

These lines give the definite image of a land structure shaped like a ship. The waters break against the front (prow) of the ship - their mists rising up to the trees that stand along the top of this land structure like masts. The last line of this stanza indicates it is not found in the sea.

So, we have something shaped like a ship, in fresh water (obviously a river, since the waters break against the front of it.)

Now the final clue:

And let the fires burn at Amon Dîn,
Should shadow breach the way and enter in.

Amon Dîn is the first watchtower north of Minas Anor(Tirith), used to alert Gondor to an invasion of the enemy from the north or east. This geographic structure must be near there and must be important as a defense against invasion across the river from the north and east.

So, we've got an important land mass in a river north of Minas Anor that is shaped like a ship and would be a place that Gondor would want to make sure enemies did not capture and then enter into Gondor.

[ April 08, 2003: Message edited by: piosenniel ]

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-08-2003, 12:01 PM

Cair Andros?

piosenniel · 04-08-2003, 01:49 PM

Cair Andros, it is!

Please continue.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-08-2003, 06:07 PM

Quote:

In 455 (First Age), at the Dagor Bragollach, Finrod Felagund found himself cut off ... with a small host. He seemed lost, but was rescued with great loss by Barahir and escaped back to Nargothrond.

Quote is from the Encyclopedia of Arda, simply because it's convenient...

Question: where does this rescue take place? What two rivers come together there?

-Sophia

alquadae · 04-08-2003, 06:44 PM

Fen of Serech
where the River Rivil flows into the Sirion

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 04-08-2003, 09:45 PM

lovely... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] I'm beginning to realize if I want to make it hard I'm going to have to go cryptic like Pio... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] you guys are too good...

-Sophia

alquadae · 04-09-2003, 03:30 AM

Gulf of Lune,230 true
Falmari song,fortnight through
Meneltarma afar away winks to play
no time to stay this windswept day
Oh quill to me of quicken quay,
and you b-d er shall own the day.

[ April 09, 2003: Message edited by: alquadae ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 04-09-2003, 06:26 AM

Hmmm. Tricksy. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Is it Mithlond/the Grey Havens?

alquadae · 04-09-2003, 01:17 PM

No sir, Admiral

piosenniel · 04-09-2003, 05:52 PM

Rómenna

**The Saucepan Man** · 04-09-2003, 06:00 PM

... or Alqualonde?

alquadae · 04-09-2003, 06:39 PM

Aqualonde//232

piosenniel · 04-09-2003, 06:46 PM

What does //232 signify?

alquadae · 04-09-2003, 06:48 PM

compass heading /or the direction of

[ April 09, 2003: Message edited by: alquadae ]

alquadae · 04-10-2003, 04:24 PM

Arghhh me lubbers,tis as plain as the mizzen on me mast!!! We are in the Gulf of Lune our compass heading is 230 degrees, any map or chart has vertical lines on it , o degrees or north ,180 degrees ,south,horizontal lines are 90 degrees east 270 degrees, west.
Falmari song, sometimes a sailors life is refered to as a song. fortnight through,the trip,two weeks plus.
The course runs close enough to see Meneltarma on Numenor. Frictions aside,we make for Tol Eressa.Quicken/vitalize or renew.quay/a wharf . open forum go ahead!

[ April 10, 2003: Message edited by: alquadae ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 04-10-2003, 04:58 PM

Would that be Avallone, then?

alquadae · 04-10-2003, 05:02 PM

Aye 'tis what we make for swabbie

elven maiden Earwen · 04-15-2003, 01:15 PM

hola, anyone going to post

**The Saucepan Man** · 04-15-2003, 01:58 PM

Oops! That'll be me, then. Sorry. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Scramble along the Ered Tatagoras from Drenville towards Tol Mindh for 110 miles.

Where are you?

Annunfuiniel · 04-15-2003, 02:51 PM

And what a scramble that is! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Ok, if you stroll from Rivendell along the Great East Road towards Mithlond for 110 miles you should get somewhere near the Last Bridge.
Oh, wish I was already there! Long road ahead...(see my From:!) [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 04-15-2003, 04:39 PM

Ah, Annunfuiniel, no cryptic clue gets past you. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Please proceed ...

Annunfuiniel · 04-23-2003, 01:53 PM

Hannon le, Saucepan Man! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
I'll proceed later this week, I'm on extended Easter holiday and don't have my books with me... So please, have patience. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Annunfuiniel · 04-25-2003, 10:26 AM

And here I finally am: Home sweet home! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
Ok, here's the next riddle:

A place of sight
a few there were like
guess which one am I

Elven roots
eye of men
a path to past
now blind again.

Can you tell my brains are still on vacation? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

04-01-2003, 03:33 PM	#281
Faenaduial Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mirkwood - 710 miles WtR Posts: 246	The Stone of Erech? __________________ Risk everything, or gain nothing. -- Geoffrey De Charny, 1358 Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened.

04-01-2003, 03:42 PM	#282
Eruanna Memento Mori Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Past The Point Of No Return Posts: 1,117	Yes, quite correct! Your turn. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "Remember, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."

04-04-2003, 01:01 PM	#283
Faenaduial Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mirkwood - 710 miles WtR Posts: 246	Sorry this took so long. It's short and easy. Unnatural home for a natural race Made against threat from the shadow it faced __________________ Risk everything, or gain nothing. -- Geoffrey De Charny, 1358 Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened.

04-06-2003, 10:38 AM	#284
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	lothlorien or mirkwood __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

04-06-2003, 10:54 AM	#286
Lyra Greenleaf The Diaphanous Dryad Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: R toL: 531, past the wild path Posts: 1,152	Isengard? Gondolin? Minas Anor or Ithil? __________________ “Sylphs of the forest,” I whispered. “Spirits of oak, beech and ash. Dryads of Rowan and hazel, hear us. You who have guided and guarded our every footstep, you who have sheltered our growth, we honour you." the Forbidden Link

04-06-2003, 10:50 AM	#285
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Nargothrond?

04-06-2003, 10:56 AM	#287
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Tower of Cirth Ungol __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

04-06-2003, 10:56 AM	#288
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	mengroth?? __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

04-06-2003, 03:50 PM	#289
Faenaduial Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mirkwood - 710 miles WtR Posts: 246	Earwen you are correct. I was thinking of Thranduil's kingdom in Mirkwood. __________________ Risk everything, or gain nothing. -- Geoffrey De Charny, 1358 Don't cry because it's over; smile because it happened.

04-06-2003, 08:20 PM	#290
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	I am the mound were there was gold but silver is the older i am told but shadow came one day and that who sits apon me hasnt shined since the first age __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

04-07-2003, 01:12 AM	#291
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	The Green Mound, Ezellohar, also called Corollairë - before the western gates of Valmar, where the Two Trees of Valinor grew. __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

04-07-2003, 07:16 AM	#292
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	correct you are so its your go. __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

04-07-2003, 09:46 AM	#293
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	O! See the waters break upon the prow, Their shimmering mists leap up to limn the trees, That mast-like stand behind its rocky bow - No sails to move the ship to salty seas. And let the fires burn at Amon Dîn, Should shadow breach the way and enter in. __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

04-07-2003, 08:04 PM	#294
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Tol Eressa ? __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

04-08-2003, 01:46 AM	#295
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Sorry . . . no __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

04-08-2003, 03:42 AM	#296
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Osgilath? __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

04-08-2003, 06:43 AM	#297
Eruanna Memento Mori Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Past The Point Of No Return Posts: 1,117	Minas Tirith? [ April 08, 2003: Message edited by: Eruanna ] __________________ "Remember, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."

04-08-2003, 11:04 AM	#298
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Let's take the riddle apart a little: O! See the waters break upon the prow, Their shimmering mists leap up to limn the trees, That mast-like stand behind its rocky bow - No sails to move the ship to salty seas. These lines give the definite image of a land structure shaped like a ship. The waters break against the front (prow) of the ship - their mists rising up to the trees that stand along the top of this land structure like masts. The last line of this stanza indicates it is not found in the sea. So, we have something shaped like a ship, in fresh water (obviously a river, since the waters break against the front of it.) Now the final clue: And let the fires burn at Amon Dîn, Should shadow breach the way and enter in. Amon Dîn is the first watchtower north of Minas Anor(Tirith), used to alert Gondor to an invasion of the enemy from the north or east. This geographic structure must be near there and must be important as a defense against invasion across the river from the north and east. So, we've got an important land mass in a river north of Minas Anor that is shaped like a ship and would be a place that Gondor would want to make sure enemies did not capture and then enter into Gondor. [ April 08, 2003: Message edited by: piosenniel ] __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

04-08-2003, 12:01 PM	#299
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Cair Andros? __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

04-08-2003, 01:49 PM	#300
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Cair Andros, it is! Please continue. __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

04-08-2003, 06:44 PM	#302
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Fen of Serech where the River Rivil flows into the Sirion __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

04-08-2003, 09:45 PM	#303
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	lovely... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] I'm beginning to realize if I want to make it hard I'm going to have to go cryptic like Pio... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] you guys are too good... -Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

04-09-2003, 03:30 AM	#304
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Gulf of Lune,230 true Falmari song,fortnight through Meneltarma afar away winks to play no time to stay this windswept day Oh quill to me of quicken quay, and you b-d er shall own the day. [ April 09, 2003: Message edited by: alquadae ] __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

04-09-2003, 06:26 AM	#305
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Hmmm. Tricksy. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] Is it Mithlond/the Grey Havens? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

04-09-2003, 01:17 PM	#306
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	No sir, Admiral __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

04-09-2003, 05:52 PM	#307
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Rómenna __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

04-09-2003, 06:00 PM	#308
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	... or Alqualonde? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

04-09-2003, 06:39 PM	#309
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Aqualonde//232 __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

04-09-2003, 06:46 PM	#310
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	What does //232 signify? __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

04-09-2003, 06:48 PM	#311
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	compass heading /or the direction of [ April 09, 2003: Message edited by: alquadae ] __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

04-10-2003, 04:24 PM	#312
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Arghhh me lubbers,tis as plain as the mizzen on me mast!!! We are in the Gulf of Lune our compass heading is 230 degrees, any map or chart has vertical lines on it , o degrees or north ,180 degrees ,south,horizontal lines are 90 degrees east 270 degrees, west. Falmari song, sometimes a sailors life is refered to as a song. fortnight through,the trip,two weeks plus. The course runs close enough to see Meneltarma on Numenor. Frictions aside,we make for Tol Eressa.Quicken/vitalize or renew.quay/a wharf . open forum go ahead! [ April 10, 2003: Message edited by: alquadae ] __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

04-10-2003, 04:58 PM	#313
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Would that be Avallone, then? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

04-10-2003, 05:02 PM	#314
alquadae Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Mithlond Posts: 154	Aye 'tis what we make for swabbie __________________ Keeper of St. Elmos Fire

04-15-2003, 01:15 PM	#315
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	hola, anyone going to post __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

04-15-2003, 01:58 PM	#316
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Oops! That'll be me, then. Sorry. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Scramble along the Ered Tatagoras from Drenville towards Tol Mindh for 110 miles. Where are you? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!