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Menel's post makes me uncomfortable. He goes on about how he finds Green suspicious and comes up with this Green-morm theory. In the end, he concludes that Green's suspiciousness is just newbie behaviour and votes morm. Could that be a wolf trying to save his mate? Other thoughts: Why was Legate killed? Well, he wasn't seriously suspected by anyone and perhaps the wolves noticed that. Is it possible they thought he was the seer? I don't know...I fear putting too much thought into seer theories after the discussion it led to yesterDay.. Anyways, I'm still not quite sure about Lommy. While she was persistant on Green yesterDay, she did make a big deal about not voting for her Day 1 because she was a newbie. Still, I think I might bump her down to the neutral zone because she doesn't seem quite as suspicious as she did yesterDay. Even as a newbie, I don't think Green would go to such great lengths to protect a fellow wolf, so that makes morm innocentish in my eyes. EDIT: Mass X-ed from #271 on. Geesh... EDIT: No, wait...I x-ed with Kuru's post too. You guys are posting too fast for me to catch up!
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Crossed with Sally.
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Thanks Volo, the list is quite useful.
About Sally, if I were her I would make a post to try and defend and maybe explain my decisions and actions more clearly. Because all the explanations have, at least in my case, only managed to make me more confused and suspicious. This last "we shall see" is not what I would expect from an ordo. This lack of arguments makes me think she's a wolf that finds it difficult to get out of this difficult situation. I mean, were she an ordo, which I for now doubt, I would expect some more defensiveness...
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Frankly I'm too lazy to defend myself. Last game I got suspected (if only briefly) for saying the first day that I knew only of my own innocence, and this game I don't want to bother to convince you. And I don't plan on stirring up havoc really, just testing everyone's reactions to my posts. Some are quite intriguing, to say the least.
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Oh man, all this posting is going tooo fast!
Anyway, just cross-posted with a lot, probably will with this post as well...I mean I somehow manage to confuse everyone unintetionally pretty much every first day...but Sally seems to try. The question for me is what does she want to achieve as an innocent? Because if she turns out to be an innocent, I shall be very, very, very disappointed with the playing style as it's pretty much cobblerish and not helping us at all. She simply can't be an ordo...
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...although I have to admit there are strong elements of confusion coming from Sally's posts at the moment.
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Like I've said it before, I feel that Sally is a Wolf. Reasons:
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What I don't want is a bandwagon starting from the very morning, because the earlier we vote the less of the Day we use to discuss things. And like I've said before, morm has been targeted by both Lily (Kuru has it here.) and Sally (I mean her constant suspicion and votes) in rather wierd situations. I found a little more: Lily's post about The Might doesn't look like something about a Wolf partner. It is more like "trying too hard" to look helpful to me. The Might rises higher on my Innocent list. Aganzir suspects Lily quite strongly here. Again, I don't feel a Wolf partner would have done that to a friend so early. I seem to recall that this is the strongest suspicion on Lily on Day1. Correct me if I'm wrong. Aganzir stayes high and Innocent. I have very little clue of who might be the fourth Wolf if I'm right about Sally and morm. Probably not Fea. I'd say Menel or Farael, but I'll not get too certain about it. It's late and I should go to sleep. Xd with everything since #285. |
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Again, not answering to the "can't be an ordo" theory, but rather to my posting style. Dang it I can't stay away from the bloody game like I said I was going to, but when I get back I'm going to have an actual post. In the meantime I want to get as much stirred up as possible and make as many people talk as I can muster. As I alluded to before, I want plenty to reply to when I get back and plenty to reference from other people. And if you want to lynch me for it, I don't blame you, because I probably seem like a complete nut case. If you do though, make sure to look back at today's posts and see what's been thrown around. I'm perfectly willing to stir up stuff and get killed if it helps the village as a whole sniff out a werewolf. Oh dear and I'm late for work almost. Much like yesterday I thought I wouldn't get on the internet but just couldn't stay away. Blast. *turning off computer in five minutes*
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Just a post of all of Legate's most recent posts (since the beginning of Day 2) to maybe help me or you find some clues. I apologize for the length. I also edited out the smilies as I'm not allowed to have as many.
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Okay, I really don't get what's going on with Sally's posts.
To intentionally cause confusion in such an obvious way is practically suicidal for a wolf. Yet at the same time, why would an innocent want to confuse us? Quote:
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Now that was something inexcusable. My poor dear husband. I'll give you Sharkey, you dirty murdering ruffians!!
And Might, don't you dare to speak about my husband like that! Ok. Menel, a nice find about those getting killed being Volo's main suspects. I'd like to mention though that I wouldn't be much surprised to see him trying double bluff. But I'm also a bit surprised how little time it took you to notice whose suspects the kills were. My main suspects at the moment are sally Brinniel / Menel. I think it sounds unlikely both of them are wolves. At the moment it's just a feeling based on how they treat each other. I'll read their posts again later. morm, given how Greenie treated him. I don't know what I should think of Lommy. I think I'll have to reread (tomorrow) her posts before saying anything. Quote:
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Its not like we don't have other leads to follow at this point. We don't really need innocents dancing out on limbs and getting everyone confused and suiciding themselves at this particular moment. Of course, if you are a wolf what is the point about getting everybody talking about you too... The Strange is strong in this one.
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Sorry for any offense Aganzir, though I am not sure what you mean.
Lol, that made me laugh Kuruharan, too bad none of the wolves is called the Strange or else things would have been quite clear. I am not quite certain about the way Sally wants to help us notice who the wolves are by behaving like this. You would notice that it's pretty much all that accuse you, and the wolves at least at this point will probably do the same, as it would be too incriminating to support Sally. So actually...it doesn't help us at all. It could well be that the wolves noticed that Sally is a main suspect and use this confusion to keep us only concentrated on this. I say we should maybe try to talk about other possible wolves as well.
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Aganzir, I read Volo's posts in order to do an analysis of him that I posted yesterDay. That bit about his supects was one of the first things I noticed about him.
Mormegil is still my prime suspect, now more than ever. His frequent agreement with A Little Green and her defense of him, along with the mysterious shift in his playing style, just screams "I'm a wolf!" to me. The reason I suggested that A Little Green might just be a newbie and not a wolf was only used to justify a tricky choise of vote on my part. A lot of what mad her look suspicious was also present in morm and I reasoned that while there was a possible explanation in Greenie's case, morm should have known better. I was not trying to say that A Little Green was innocent, just that morm looked more wolfish than she did. As for Sally, I hadn't been paying her a lot of attention, but I'll go check her posts now.
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Maybe this would be too risky...but what about a morm / Sally double-lynch?
I mean, I am not sure what to think about such an attempt, that is why I'm asking what your opinion is?
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And what if they are both innocent after all... On the other hand...attempting to organize one might flush some people out. I'm still inclined to say "no" though... And I have a feeling this might become a topic of heated (and totally beside the point) contention if we tried it.
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I've gone back and read Sally's posts, and I was quite surprised at the results.
Sally appears to say nothing good or bad about herself, and hardly leaves anything to follow, except for the fact that she feels very regretful about not being able to participate more. Her recent comment about not even bothering to defend herself is, well, familiar to me, since it's happened to me before. Sally is basically the kind of person who tries desperately to participate and be helpful, but whose desperation eventually will get her lynched for giving the impression of wolfishness. It's happened to my ancestors before. And yes, I know that people are going to call me a wolf for writing what I just wrote, but I just can't see any evidence for her being either an innocent or a wolf. I know that a wolf could post like her just as easily and the desperation would make sense there as well (my wolf ancestors have been lynched like that before), but I really don't think there's enough substance in her posts to tell one way or another. Anyhow, regardless of what happens, I agree that mormegil has to be lynched, and soon. If a double lynch is what it takes to kill him, I'm willing to go for it.
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Three dead people to look at. Sweet.
(this post will be cross-posted with everything on page 8) A Little Green Before I start, let me say that I think it's very unlikely that no wolf voted for her. There are 8 votes for her. One, perhaps two must be wolvish. Lily and the Might Lily wrote these rather suspect lines about the Might "His defence does look very feeble to me, but then again that makes him seem pretty innocent if you see my point." "The Might's self-vote struck me as odd. I would say that it was more the behaviour of a frustrated innocent than of a plotting wolf." He returned it with this: "I think it was A Little Green that put it best, I simply wasn't in the mood of again being voted like in the last game only because I act a bit confused and maybe confusing." He voted her in a safe 7th position. The interaction of Lily and the Might is extremely fishy. Lily and Sally "Nerwen and Sally both look pretty innocent at the moment." This could be the mentioning a fellow wolf as innocent in a minor comment. It could also be nothing. Lily and Lommy Lily attacked Lommy consistently and in a way that makes it appear serious. Lommy suspected Lily continuously, too, although she kept her newbieness in mind. This behavior doesn't fit to two wolves, even if they agreed on lynching each other. In the one case, they keep the village's attention on each other way too much, in the other it's not aggressive enough. Lily and morm I don't see why people suspect morm so much because of Lily's comments. I can't believe that a wolf-morm would have allowed a newbie-Lily-wolf to defend her as unskillfully as this. Lily and Volo She asks him twice to explain a point, which is suspicious. If he was innocent, wouldn't she rather have tried to put Volo's unclear statements in a bad light instead of urging him to explain? There's also: "Volo is suspicious, but I'd be reluctant to vote for him because I don't have valid arguments against him." Her late vote means nothing. Volo, on the other hand, seems to be more serious with his suspicions against Lily. He didn't mention her on day one and then pursued her on day two. He gives her the almost deciding 4th vote. If a wolf tried to actively kill Lily, then Volo fits the description. Quote:
Lily and Menel "I found Menel's continuous joking about not being eaten disturbing. my vote today will most probably be Menel." Menel finds her suspicious but chooses morm over her for reasons I think are understandable. Lily and Aganzir There's the brief interaction about loud/silent at the beginning of day 2. Aganzir only really mentions her once, declaring her suspicious. As a wolf, she would have had options to vote otherwise and not give Lily the 3rd vote. If she wanted to sacrifice her, she would have treated the suspicion differently, I think. Lily and Brinn Brinn seconds one of Lily's question to Volo, which is slightly suspicious. But she finds her suspicious after her analyses, and she was careful to declare somebody suspicious in those. She gives her the 5th vote, finally sealing her fate. Lily and Fea Fea gives a detailed answer about why morm is suspicious. She's the first to vote her, ideal for a wolf-on-wolf. All this would be suspicious, but her answer to Lily gives me a genuine feel. Farael said Lily is consistently clueless, which is a slight late attempt of defense. Kath thinks Lily suspicious and gives her the second vote. Very little to go after. no interaction: Shasta, Kuru only considering the interaction with Lily: suspicious: Volo, The Might a little suspicious: Sally, Farael neutral: Aganzir, Menel, Fea, Kath, Kuru, Shasta innocent: Lommy, morm, Brinn I'll have a look at Legate and Rikae tomorrow. I won't have a lot of time and will be forced to vote early, about 3 hours before the deadline. |
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One last thing on Sally: I feel her actions are too risky for a wolf, but I'm still not certain. Right now, I am more confused than anything.
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Just to put it out there, I'm totally against multiple lynchings.
They're too easy to screw up, they're too easy to hide behind, they're not very sportsmanlike. Still, you're right Kuru. It would be interesting to orchestrate one just to see what happens. With the goal in mind that we not actually kill multipeople, it would be interesting to set up a multiple lynch and see who steps in at the last minute. But that's a dangerous game to play.
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There's 14 of us. An ideal case would be seven and seven votes for the two suspects, but that's unlikely to happen. A more realistic scenario would be that we could expect maybe five votes for each, while four other people vote on their own. If we are unlucky, the wolves could possibly arrange it so that we wind up having three people with three votes a piece, rather than two with five/seven. While that might point at other wolves, it'd leave us with ten people and (worst case possible) three wolves for tomorrow. If they take such a chance and manage not to look too suspicious, it'd doom the village. And on a much simpler note, the only way a double-lynch would work out is if both lynchees are not only willing to go through with it... but also truthful about it. There's too much at risk, the wolves know it too so even if we try to orchestrate a double lynch, I highly doubt they'll fall for it and show their hand.
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Well, I've decided to look at the Volo-voters. It was a pretty short list, including only Shasta and... our good friend mormegil.
Morm has had enough said about him already, and I'm planning to vote for him toDay. Shasta has been extremely silent. This worries me. We need to hear more. A certain desire to denounce morm seems to be present here, though it's to difficult to tell what that means at this point.
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Oh, and I think that a double-lynch does have a lot of problems with it. I was too eager to lynch morm earlier to consider that. Arranging one intentionally will be problematic, and I suggest we just vote for those we think are guilty.
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Top suspects: Volo Menel Lommy Kuru Mind you I've only read to just after Brinn's post that I quoted but I figured I'd better say something or I'd never get anything in at all. Slow down on posting a bit! Now Sally is rather confusing but I'm guessing she's an innocent trying to be silly and garner reactions...though likely unfruitful
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This is the pot calling the kettle black but Menel this is rather lazy of you! I don't recall ever agreeing with Green. Can you provide quotes? As to my shift in playing style I have tried to address this over the past...oh 4 to 6 games I've played. I don't have as much time as I did in the past ergo the days of morm being the top poster are gone. I do what I can and I got a bit tired of being type cast for everything...so yes there is a change but it's not just this game it's longer term and intentional
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Even if you suggested a Menel/Volo double lynch I would say that is foolish at this stage. Edit: I'm only to this post so far.
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Morm, the points I mentioned were:
You and Green both agreed that Lommy Looked suspicious. You and Green both suspected me based on my in-game sarcastic jokes.
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If it's quotes you want:
Mormegil suspects Lommy Mormegil suspects Menel A Little Green suspects Lommy and Menel Though I'm feeling a bit uneasy, as these quotes don't seem to suggest quite as much of a conspiracy as I thought there was. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. However, I don't really have a lot of other leads at this point.
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Don't forget how A Little Green defended you last time. As for whether or not you allowed it, I doubt a senior wolf would want himself to get caught giving adivce to a newbie wolf and be lynched for it.
Then there's the matter of what could be an attempt to frame Volo. Again, you seem to be a likely candidate for that.
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I just read all of A Little Green's posts again and I must say that it is interesting how much she talked about Lommy and Volo but didn't ever really bring anything up of any substance against them. It's the classic wolf accusing wolf but not really knowing why but making sure to mention them so that when one is lynched it doesn't look so obvious. The usual pattern, as a wolf, is to 'suspect' one of your fellows but not to a point to actually get them lynched and keep one in the innocent category along with others.
My guess is that one of the two is guilty. She spoke more about Lommy and less about Volo but when her fate was sealed she voted Volo, which is telling in my opinion. Again, I feel less inclined to Lommy's guilt and more to Volo's.
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Hey all, it's gone 2 am here but I thought I'd pop in with a quick post. I haven't read much of the thread from toDay but what worries me is that some people, I'm mostly looking at Kuru, have popped up and gone 'right, let's lynch morm'. I'm actually a lot more comfortable with morm toDay. I never saw the connection between him and Greenie that many people mentioned and unless Brinniel turns out to be a wolf I doubt morm is one. Had Greenie been innocent I would have been more conviced of morm's possible wolvishness as I wouldn't have put it past him to set up an innocent like that, but as it is I'm becoming more enamoured of this set up idea.
I just really don't like the single-minded pursuit thing. I've done it before I know, and it always seems to end in disaster. Like all that arguing between Rikae and Nerwen on Day 1, it had most of the village convinced that at least one was a wolf and they both turned out to be innocents. The fact that Lommy and morm had the same thing going yesterDay has me thinking they're both innocent, as the back and forth posts felt much as Rikae and Nerwen's did. Also, no double lynches if we can help it! We are far more likely to lynch two innocents than even one innocent and a wolf. Let's not take our numbers down ourselves. So, apart from taking morm off the list I'm going to stick with my suspects from yesterDay for now, which leaves me with: The Might Brinn I actually haven't had a proper look at Brinn which I wanted to do (not an analysis, she's done too many posts for that!) but I caught The Might's first post toDay and it seemed a bit overdone. I might also add Menel to that list of suspects. I know it was Kuru I was complaining about earlier but he feels like a misguided innocent to me. Menel could be too, some of his comments smack of not concentrating on the game a lot, such as his belief that Rikae is still in it, but his arguments are still ... I can't explain it, he's just not fitting right to me. Also, despite what someone said, I do want to take a look back at what Legate said over the past couple of Days. If the wolves have already tried one set up (this is assuming morm is innocent) there is nothing to say they haven't tried a second. Back later. |
12-03-2007, 08:30 PM | #318 |
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I also noticed something else that is almost comical, Legate felt I was guilty too. I think the wolves are busy working on setting me up which is odd to me...at least they are accomplishing their goal of us not talking about them. What I wonder is if they want me dead so bad why don't they just kill me? I would posit that at least one of the 'let's kill morm' crowd is a wolf. They probably got together and said that one of us will take up the reigns and work it out while the other two may follow. I would think Kuru has this and he intentionally took the risk of posting so expressly and so quickly because he is REALLY good and can pull that off. Again, that lends itself to my belief that he is guilty. Menel I'm not sure of as Kath points out he is not paying too much attention...is that wolfish? It could easily be...why would he need to read who died? But generally, not always, wolves are a bit more obervant to details...but I think it's the former in this case.
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12-03-2007, 08:40 PM | #319 |
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I'm sorry about Rikae. That was an honest mistake.
And to be completely honest, I don't usually read every single post on the thread, especially if I've been away for a few hours and a whole page has been created in my absence. I do go back and read posts if I feel the need, though.
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12-03-2007, 08:46 PM | #320 |
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Actually, I'm not quite as sure of mormegil now as I was before. I'll take some time in the morning to check out his posts in detail, then put up an analysis. For now, though, I'll stick around to answer questions but I doubt I'll do much more here until after I've slept on it.
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