"Minor works" trivia - Page 8 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-11-2005, 09:29 AM

Well, there is Niord, but he's only mentioned in passing, not actually encountered by Roverandom. If that's not it, I give up. Maybe someone else will come up with the answer...

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 09-14-2005, 12:18 PM

No, I'm afraid it's not Njord. He's a god, and Vikings tend to be human. This really is rather more obvious than it might look: the only difficulty is that the character isn't actually called a viking by Tolkien. The clues are there, though; particularly if you have the annotated Roverandom

Estelyn Telcontar · 09-14-2005, 12:32 PM

OK, I could go through the story character by character, guessing, but I won't. I surrender.

*waves white flag

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 09-30-2005, 01:41 PM

Surely someone knows the answer to this one.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 01-13-2006, 07:36 AM

It doesn't look as though anyone's going to get this one, so here are the answer and an easier question.

Our Viking is the Mer-dog. His story gives it away, although Tolkien never says anything specific. A fine sea-rover indeed.

What is Tailbiter's proper name?

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-13-2006, 07:46 AM

This one I know without even having to look it up! It's Caudimordax.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 01-13-2006, 10:51 AM

Right you are, Estelyn.

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-14-2006, 09:00 AM

Which character in one of the minor works is referred to in all caps as HE and HIM?

Estelyn Telcontar · 04-03-2006, 06:02 AM

No takers for this question?

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 09-15-2006, 03:47 AM

Just to resurrect this thread, I think I'll go out on a limb and suggest the King of Faerie in Smith of Wootton Major.

Bêthberry · 09-15-2006, 06:29 AM

I have a message for you, Squatter. Estelyn says "Keep looking."

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 09-20-2006, 05:35 AM

Fastitocalon, in the poem of the same name from The Adventures of Tom Bombadil.

Your days at peace in Middle-earth
In mirth
Fulfil

Estelyn Telcontar · 10-30-2006, 08:04 AM

You are right of course, Squatter, and thus entitled to baffle us with a new question. Sorry that my absence kept me from reacting to your post sooner...

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 10-30-2006, 11:28 AM

Thanks, Estelyn. Perhaps it won't be so baffling after all.

What colour is the label on the new bicycle that awaits Niggle at the end of his train journey?

arcticstorm · 10-30-2006, 10:03 PM

yellow, with large black letters

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 10-31-2006, 02:32 AM

That was quick. And spot on, of course.

arcticstorm · 11-01-2006, 03:47 PM

ok, probably easy

What did Torhthelm use to kill the corpse-looter?

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-02-2006, 12:20 AM

He used Beorhtnoth's sword.

(...only easy because I've read these lines so often for the threads here and in 'Quotes'!)

arcticstorm · 11-02-2006, 10:50 AM

Good job
your question

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-02-2006, 11:43 AM

Which of Tolkien's characters suffered from lumbago?

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 11-03-2006, 06:21 AM

Parish. His being "laid up with lumbago" was one of "a tremendous crop of interruptions" that helped to prevent the completion of Niggle's painting.

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-03-2006, 06:35 AM

Right you are, Sir Trespasser. Pray proceed.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 11-06-2006, 08:11 AM

Right you are Esty.

Where does Smith encounter the Elven mariners?

The Elf-warrior · 11-07-2006, 10:11 PM

On the shore of the Sea of Windless Storm.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 11-22-2006, 07:25 AM

That's the place. Take it away.

The Elf-warrior · 11-23-2006, 05:47 PM

When did Farmer Giles set out with Garm to find the dragon?

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-23-2006, 10:18 PM

They started off on Epiphany day, which is January 6. According to Wikipedia, that's "a Christian feast intended to celebrate the 'shining forth' or revelation of God to mankind in human form". It would be interesting to think of a reason for Tolkien's choice of that day for this event - actually a good topic for a serious discussion! Thanks for bringing up a fact which I had not consciously read until now, Elf-warrior!

The Elf-warrior · 11-23-2006, 10:43 PM

You're welcome, Estelyn Telcontar. It's your turn now.

Estelyn Telcontar · 11-23-2006, 11:47 PM

I did start a thread to discuss the topic to which your question inspired me here. Thanks again for the wonderful idea!

Now for a new question:

In which cave did the Sea-serpent used to live (and people wished him back there)?

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 02-07-2007, 01:01 PM

Once he lived in Pot, "at the bottom of the deepest sea". Perhaps he was crowded out by the number of other things that have allegedly gone there over the years. There's an article about his interior decoration in Better Caves and Wastelands issue 135 (June 1958).

Estelyn Telcontar · 02-07-2007, 01:14 PM

You're right, of course, Squatter! Darn, I knew I should have bought all issues of Better Caves and Wastelands - I have 134 and 136, but not 135...

Anyway, take it away - and not to Pot!

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 02-07-2007, 01:19 PM

What is the North Polar Bear's real name?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-07-2007, 03:06 PM

Karhu, or so it was supposed from his signature...

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 02-08-2007, 08:10 AM

Actually he does announce that his name is Karhu in one of his letters, but that's by the by. The thread is yours.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-08-2007, 01:03 PM

But he also wrote it under a picture (of rising sun behind the mountains): "Love from Karhu, Paksu, and Valkotukka" (this is from where I remember it)

Anyway.

How did Tídwald recognize Torhthelm in the dark? (easy one)

Bêthberry · 02-08-2007, 01:26 PM

Oh, wait, perhaps this means the night is cold and Torhthelm is shivering rather than he had a dental problem? Clearly I've been reading too much of Minus Teeth.

'Twas Totta's rattling teeth that announced him to Tidwald.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-08-2007, 01:44 PM

Of course. Your turn now.

(And yes, I think maybe there was something wrong with their dentists...)

Bêthberry · 02-08-2007, 07:55 PM

Would that I had found a warg reference to allude to teeth, either marked or pulled. For now, satisfy ourselves with this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tollers

I would that I might with the minstrels sing

Estelyn Telcontar · 02-09-2007, 02:02 AM

A wonderful line from a wonderful poem, Bb! It's Philomythus speaking to Misomythus in Mythopoeia:

Quote:

I would that I might with the minstrels sing
and stir the unseen with a throbbing string.

I must admit, a wish closer to my heart comes a few lines later:

Quote:

or in fantastic banners weave the sheen
heraldic emblems of a lord unseen.

Bêthberry · 02-09-2007, 06:03 AM

Ah, the Evenstar! It's a lovely comment about her role, isn't it?

You have the thread, Mistress Quilty, to weave as you wish, for any lord or Downer unseen.

09-11-2005, 09:29 AM	#281
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Well, there is Niord, but he's only mentioned in passing, not actually encountered by Roverandom. If that's not it, I give up. Maybe someone else will come up with the answer... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-14-2005, 12:18 PM	#282
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	The mysterious Norse No, I'm afraid it's not Njord. He's a god, and Vikings tend to be human. This really is rather more obvious than it might look: the only difficulty is that the character isn't actually called a viking by Tolkien. The clues are there, though; particularly if you have the annotated Roverandom __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

09-14-2005, 12:32 PM	#283
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	OK, I could go through the story character by character, guessing, but I won't. I surrender. *waves white flag __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-30-2005, 01:41 PM	#284
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Bump Surely someone knows the answer to this one. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

01-13-2006, 07:36 AM	#285
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Time for a new question, then It doesn't look as though anyone's going to get this one, so here are the answer and an easier question. Our Viking is the Mer-dog. His story gives it away, although Tolkien never says anything specific. A fine sea-rover indeed. What is Tailbiter's proper name? __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

01-13-2006, 07:46 AM	#286
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	This one I know without even having to look it up! It's Caudimordax. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-13-2006, 10:51 AM	#287
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Mordant brand Right you are, Estelyn. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

01-14-2006, 09:00 AM	#288
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Which character in one of the minor works is referred to in all caps as HE and HIM? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

04-03-2006, 06:02 AM	#289
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	No takers for this question? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

09-15-2006, 03:47 AM	#290
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Minor Works Revival Just to resurrect this thread, I think I'll go out on a limb and suggest the King of Faerie in Smith of Wootton Major. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

09-15-2006, 06:29 AM	#291
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,996	I have a message for you, Squatter. Estelyn says "Keep looking." __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

09-20-2006, 05:35 AM	#292
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	This time I'm not guessing Fastitocalon, in the poem of the same name from The Adventures of Tom Bombadil. Your days at peace in Middle-earth In mirth Fulfil __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

10-30-2006, 08:04 AM	#293
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	You are right of course, Squatter, and thus entitled to baffle us with a new question. Sorry that my absence kept me from reacting to your post sooner... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

10-30-2006, 11:28 AM	#294
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	A question of distance Thanks, Estelyn. Perhaps it won't be so baffling after all. What colour is the label on the new bicycle that awaits Niggle at the end of his train journey? __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

10-30-2006, 10:03 PM	#295
arcticstorm Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Johnson Bible College: Knoxville, TN Posts: 464	yellow, with large black letters

10-31-2006, 02:32 AM	#296
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Yep That was quick. And spot on, of course. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

11-01-2006, 03:47 PM	#297
arcticstorm Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Johnson Bible College: Knoxville, TN Posts: 464	ok, probably easy What did Torhthelm use to kill the corpse-looter?

11-02-2006, 12:20 AM	#298
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	He used Beorhtnoth's sword. (...only easy because I've read these lines so often for the threads here and in 'Quotes'!) __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

11-02-2006, 10:50 AM	#299
arcticstorm Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Johnson Bible College: Knoxville, TN Posts: 464	Good job your question

11-02-2006, 11:43 AM	#300
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Which of Tolkien's characters suffered from lumbago? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

11-03-2006, 06:21 AM	#301
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Putting his back up... Parish. His being "laid up with lumbago" was one of "a tremendous crop of interruptions" that helped to prevent the completion of Niggle's painting. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

11-03-2006, 06:35 AM	#302
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Right you are, Sir Trespasser. Pray proceed. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

11-06-2006, 08:11 AM	#303
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Naval exercise Right you are Esty. Where does Smith encounter the Elven mariners? __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

11-07-2006, 10:11 PM	#304
The Elf-warrior Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Virginia. Posts: 952	On the shore of the Sea of Windless Storm. __________________ Fenris Wolf: WW LXXX.

11-22-2006, 07:25 AM	#305
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	The other elves That's the place. Take it away. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

11-23-2006, 05:47 PM	#306
The Elf-warrior Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Virginia. Posts: 952	When did Farmer Giles set out with Garm to find the dragon? __________________ Fenris Wolf: WW LXXX.

11-23-2006, 10:18 PM	#307
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	They started off on Epiphany day, which is January 6. According to Wikipedia, that's "a Christian feast intended to celebrate the 'shining forth' or revelation of God to mankind in human form". It would be interesting to think of a reason for Tolkien's choice of that day for this event - actually a good topic for a serious discussion! Thanks for bringing up a fact which I had not consciously read until now, Elf-warrior! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

11-23-2006, 10:43 PM	#308
The Elf-warrior Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Virginia. Posts: 952	You're welcome, Estelyn Telcontar. It's your turn now. __________________ Fenris Wolf: WW LXXX.

11-23-2006, 11:47 PM	#309
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	I did start a thread to discuss the topic to which your question inspired me here. Thanks again for the wonderful idea! Now for a new question: In which cave did the Sea-serpent used to live (and people wished him back there)? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

02-07-2007, 01:01 PM	#310
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Lifestyles of the large and autothalassic Once he lived in Pot, "at the bottom of the deepest sea". Perhaps he was crowded out by the number of other things that have allegedly gone there over the years. There's an article about his interior decoration in Better Caves and Wastelands issue 135 (June 1958). __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

02-07-2007, 01:14 PM	#311
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	You're right, of course, Squatter! Darn, I knew I should have bought all issues of Better Caves and Wastelands - I have 134 and 136, but not 135... Anyway, take it away - and not to Pot! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

02-07-2007, 01:19 PM	#312
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Guess what I got for Christmas What is the North Polar Bear's real name? __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

02-07-2007, 03:06 PM	#313
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Karhu, or so it was supposed from his signature... __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

02-08-2007, 08:10 AM	#314
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Ursine nomenclature Actually he does announce that his name is Karhu in one of his letters, but that's by the by. The thread is yours. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

02-08-2007, 01:03 PM	#315
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	But he also wrote it under a picture (of rising sun behind the mountains): "Love from Karhu, Paksu, and Valkotukka" (this is from where I remember it) Anyway. How did Tídwald recognize Torhthelm in the dark? (easy one) __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories