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In the chapter "The Black Gate is Closed," after Gollum says "Give it back to Sméagol," Frodo says, "Do not say that again! Do not let that thought grow in you! You will never get it back. But the desire of it may betray you to a bitter end. You will never get it back. In the last need, Sméagol, I should put on the Precious; and the Precious mastered you long ago. If I, wearing it, were to command you, you would obey, even if it were to leap from a precipice or to cast yourself into the fire. And such would be my command. So have a care, Sméagol!"
I don't know whether the whole of it was necessary or not, but it's a cool passage anyway. ![]() |
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#282 |
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Nope but a great guess. I had something else in mind. More direct and something that actually happened. Frodo didn't put on the ring and command Gollum to jump.
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#283 |
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No, but the desire did betray Gollum to a bitter end...
![]() Lessee, how about this: Right after Gollum had been caught, Frodo says, "Would you commit your promise to that, Sméagol? It will hold you. But it is more treacherous that hou are. It may twist your words. Beware!" |
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#284 |
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No it's later in the books
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“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.” |
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#285 |
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Maybe it's this one then:
Before Sam and Frodo enter Cirith Ungol, Frodo says: "No if it's anything, it will be some little private trick of his own that he thinks is quite secret... I think he really is in part trying to save the Precious from the Enemy, as long as he can... perhaps he's just biding his time and waiting on chance."
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#286 |
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Sorry still no. It's more along the lines of "if you do such and such this will happen and it truly does happen according to what Frodo said"
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I'm basically out of ammo for now, then; someone else can go look.
But first let me make sure that you don't mean Faramir at Henneth Annun (not that I'm doubting you; this just really jumped out at me as the type of thing you're looking for): "And may death find you swiftly, within Gondor or without, if you do not well serve him." |
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Nope it's Frodo and it's in RoTK
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“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.” |
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Finally! I've got it! At Mt. Doom, Frodo says, "Begone, and trouble me no more! If you touch me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom."
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Bingo!
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#291 |
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Thanks.
Before Gollum was banished, what was his home? |
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It was his Grandmother's Smial
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Yeah, that was basically what I was looking for. Go ahead.
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How many separate times was Gollum in Mirkwood?
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#295 |
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Three, I think: to follow Bilbo, to come back again, and then to be imprisoned.
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That was the number I came up with...Your go
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Thanks.
Who sensed something indomitable in Gollum?
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Sauron, when Gollum was being tortured in Mordor.
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It most certainly was. Your turn, Saucy.
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