ATM II Planning/Discussion Thread - Page 8 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Feanor of the Peredhil · 06-19-2006, 08:35 PM

littlemanpoet: I trust that you'll be extremely careful with this. I can't stress it enough.

Hookbill the Goomba · 06-20-2006, 06:37 AM

I'm wondering if LMP noticed the subtle reference to the band Genesis in my latest post.

Fea, I leave it to you (and Roggie) to decide what to do with the police. I'm a little stuck for ideas at the moment. I did have a rather amusing plan, but I've forgotten most of it now.

the guy who be short · 06-20-2006, 10:57 AM

I don't see the problem with Allah-matar, though associating him with trolls may be a little scandalous. But I myself intend to introduce the Spanish Inquisition, so religious satire should be on the table, methinks.

Anguirel · 06-20-2006, 10:59 AM

As long as Christians are pilloried too (Illamatar doesn't count) I don't mind especially...

Jenny, could you reply to Dracomir's nasty little snipe? I'm slightly immobilised till you do...

Kath · 06-20-2006, 12:05 PM

Why doesn't Illamatar count? I always figured he was supposed to be parodying the Christian God - Fea?

Hookbill the Goomba · 06-20-2006, 12:11 PM

Ah! I've remembered what I was going to do! It's a little chase scene that ends oddly and rather unexpectedly (I would hope).

Nice that it’s onto a 4th page.

I'm still clueless as to where this RPG is heading!

Do we know who is driving Mount Zoom, by the way?

Anguirel · 06-20-2006, 12:11 PM

Well, he's not called Godamatar or Christamatar for a start, is he? On the purely linguistic level he's more remote than Allahmatar. (As it happens I also voted No in the Is Eru God? poll...)

I must stress that I am in no way bound up with Islam and in fact think it has grave intellectual flaws (as well as being slightly resentful of the fact that the Muslims sliced my lot to pieces in the seventh century...) but I just think we should try and be even-handed...

Kath · 06-20-2006, 12:14 PM

Alright! Just wondered.

Anyway, it's lmp, it'll be done fine.

Hookbill the Goomba · 06-20-2006, 12:56 PM

Save filled. The weirdest chase scene ever!

...

Probably.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 06-20-2006, 01:12 PM

Okay, everybody hold on. Absolutely no religious punnery... at least not yet. A few things must be clarified.

Illamatar was a spur of the moment pun from game one that was half-stolen from Reunification of the Entish Bow and their Emu Iluvtar or however the heck it was spelled.

I punned only Tolkien's Eru with no inclination (and this had better not start a discussion on how Tolkien's God reflects the Christian one) to tag anything legitimate.

Before anybody toys with real religions in any form or function, I need to check on a few things.

So until you hear back from me on this, I want to see none of it.

littlemanpoet · 06-20-2006, 06:02 PM

How about sparing Feanor the hassle and creating our own spoof religions that may partake of the stuff of that hideous time in the future without coming too close? That would mean that Panakeia's StarTrekism, Skittles' RoboSkittism, Lugnuts' Womb of the Ringism, and Elessar reincarnated are fine; the only thing that needs to be a little less obvious is the Trolls' belief. Will that work?

Next issue: will anybody freak if there's fundamentalist fanatical terrorism appearing here and there in ATM2?

piosenniel · 06-20-2006, 06:14 PM

Here's a caveat from the moderator:

No religions will be parodied or pseudo-represented at present until Child of the 7th Age and I discuss this.

-- piosenniel

littlemanpoet · 06-20-2006, 06:17 PM

Okey doke. Back to romance and angst we go.....

Celuien · 06-20-2006, 06:22 PM

Pio - is it okay if Panakeia continues to be celebrity-obsessed? Trekdom isn't really a religion, nor intended as a representation of anything in the real world other than excessive obsessiveness over TV shows.

Or should I have her mysteriously be 'cured' of the Dweomer's effects?

Just want to make sure.

littlemanpoet · 06-20-2006, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hookbill the Goomba

I'm wondering if LMP noticed the subtle reference to the band Genesis in my latest post.

"Supper's Ready". Nice touch.

piosenniel · 06-20-2006, 07:38 PM

Child and I have reviewed this subject. We've also taken a look at some directives from the Barrow-Wight and suggestions from the Administrator for the RPG forums.

If you wish to write about a religion which has nothing to do with any established religion - such as Trek-ism that's ok. But no established religion is to be parodied. And if someone objects to a made up religion, saying for example it is too close to making fun of some established religion, then those posts will need to be edited from the game.

I would suggest you just steer away from this subject in the long run and find another avenue to pursue.

~*~ Pio

littlemanpoet · 06-21-2006, 04:00 AM

If it's okay with everyone else, then, I'll have the Blue Istari step in and do a prime directive corrective.

Celuien · 06-21-2006, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

If it's okay with everyone else, then, I'll have the Blue Istari step in and do a prime directive corrective.

Fine with me. Panakeia will be glad to be rid of her Trekism.

Expect her, however, to be embarrassed and annoyed when she realizes how silly she's been.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 06-21-2006, 07:36 AM

Thank you, Pio and Child.

Thank you also, ATM2 Crew, for understanding my concern with the issue.

Hookbill the Goomba · 06-21-2006, 08:05 AM

I hope The Barrow Wight won't be insulted by me giving him a very well spoken English accent.

Fea, any indication as to when Zoom will be... erm... zooming again, or are you saving it to be a surprise?

Feanor of the Peredhil · 06-21-2006, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hookbill the Goomba

Fea, any indication as to when Zoom will be... erm... zooming again, or are you saving it to be a surprise?

I'll write it's zoom-away "tomorrow" morning. There will be a full night in Lost Angles.

Hookbill the Goomba · 06-21-2006, 02:57 PM

Quote:

I'll write it's zoom-away "tomorrow" morning. There will be a full night in Lost Angles.

That's actually quite good. I didn't want Smilog and co. to find out just yet anyway. I have many, many plans for insane adventures for the Dwarf and Minotaur (and Roggie if he decides to tag along).

If no one objects, I'm thinking of having the Barrow Wight join the group. I've not decided how long he'll last though, (he may end up 'flying' out of the story like Andvarri), so I'm not going to write a character description thing unless I think he needs to be used more.

Diamond18 · 06-21-2006, 06:18 PM

*raise your hand if you want to see Panakeia smack Anakron - or at least dump him*

Anyway, I just thought I would let you all know that I shan't be making a Skittles post for a couple days, probably. If you need/want to include her in any of your posts, um, I dunno, do whatever. You can even get rid of the robot if you want. Such is the extent of my I-have-no-plans-at-the-moment.

littlemanpoet · 06-21-2006, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diamond18

*raise your hand if you want to see Panakeia smack Anakron - or at least dump him*

That would be fun!

Celuien · 06-22-2006, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

That would be fun!

I'll see what I can arrange. Given recent events in our post-in-progress, she might just do it.

littlemanpoet · 06-22-2006, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celuien

I'll see what I can arrange. Given recent events in our post-in-progress, she might just do it.

Then Mordor beware.....

Feanor of the Peredhil · 06-22-2006, 07:57 AM

Game Timing Update:

Though it is open to change, the game was slated to run for several weeks. Thus far, one morning and early afternoon of it has taken us several real time weeks. At this rate, the game will end some time after we've all watched the birth and growth of grandkids.

Unless somebody gives me a fantastic reason for a longer delay, I'd like to see "today" and all of it's adventures or pieces of adventure, wrapped up by this time next week. Does that give everybody enough time to wrap up their tangents and get back to Mount Zoom?

Celuien and LMP, can Anakron and Panakeia get through the Lost Angles part of their snit and return to the mountain by then?

Form, Jay, B88, can we wrap up lunch and conversations with locals (there will be time for more of that later) and get back to the mountain?

Hookbill, Roggie, can we um... finish whatever it is we're doing there and get ourselves into a negotiating mood?

Everybody else: are we good to go?

By this time next week, I want everybody inside of Mount Doom. By next weekend, I want Roggie to have been successfully convinced by his diplomats (all of them!) to negotiate. Savvy?

I love adventures, but they don't all have to take place on the first day.

Hookbill the Goomba · 06-22-2006, 08:10 AM

I was under the impression that Roggie wouldn’t be in a negotiating mood until his casino was ‘safely’* back in Mordor. So, that may be difficult, but I'll give it a go.
Perhaps Smilog can start dropping hints here and there and eventually he gives in?

*Or as safe as one can get in Mordor...

Feanor of the Peredhil · 06-22-2006, 08:36 AM

Roggie will be what I tell him to be. Consider it an extra big challenge, if you like. I don't want the game to stagnate on day one.

littlemanpoet · 06-22-2006, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Game Timing Update:

Celuien and LMP, can Anakron and Panakeia get through the Lost Angles part of their snit and return to the mountain by then?

As soon as Panakeia decides whether she's going to drop Anakron or go through hell with him, Anakron will head for his private chambers in Mount Doom. I just hope Celuien didn't delete her copy of our PM post we were working on, 'cause I did.

OOOOOPs!

Celuien · 06-22-2006, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

As soon as Panakeia decides whether she's going to drop Anakron or go through hell with him, Anakron will head for his private chambers in Mount Doom. I just hope Celuien didn't delete her copy of our PM post we were working on, 'cause I did.

OOOOOPs!

Never fear. Check your PMs.

I can finish up our stuff in one or two more posts, I think...

Formendacil · 06-22-2006, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Form, Jay, B88, can we wrap up lunch and conversations with locals (there will be time for more of that later) and get back to the mountain?

Fine by me... but as Alli's driving, I think YOU should have the honours of seeing it happens.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 06-22-2006, 01:40 PM

I will make sure we're back to Mount Zoom. I just wanted to make sure you guys could get all of your unfinished business taken care of up to the point that a sudden relocation wouldn't completely mess up your subplots.

Formendacil · 06-22-2006, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

I will make sure we're back to Mount Zoom. I just wanted to make sure you guys could get all of your unfinished business taken care of up to the point that a sudden relocation wouldn't completely mess up your subplots.

Er?

We HAVE a subplot?

It seemed to me like we were just making things up as we go...

Mind you, I was starting to develop some plans for talking to the locals... but they can wait for another time. (*Gets plans for that as well*) Maybe TGWBS or Boromir have a subplot in mind right now... but I'm just drifting.

littlemanpoet · 06-22-2006, 04:12 PM

Never mind sub-plot: We have a plot? We're just making things up as we go.

Hookbill the Goomba · 06-22-2006, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Never mind sub-plot: We have a plot? We're just making things up as we go.

As shown quite perfectly in my latest post.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 06-22-2006, 05:20 PM

There is indeed a plot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Game Proposal

Basic Storyline:

As the King’s Law weakens, the Dweomer becomes more and more unpredictable, and Roggie’s subjects emigrate to Gondor, the political situation is rocky. Several ambassadors must negotiate peace between the countries.

Basic plot being: ambassadors negotiating peace between the countries.

By sub-plots I merely mean any agendas that you guys have that don't directly relate to your characters (meaning the diplomats themselves) behaving in such a way as to... oh, I don't know... stem off a huge war wherein everybody dies.

Celuien · 06-22-2006, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Never mind sub-plot: We have a plot? We're just making things up as we go.

I guess we (meaning Anakron and Panakeia's keepers) are sort of improvisational just now. But we do have a basic sketch. We just don't know the details of how we're getting there.

Anyway, save filled. It'll be interesting to improv out of this one, considering our ultimate plan.

Hookbill the Goomba · 06-23-2006, 05:50 AM

Save filled. Smilog goes crazy and stuff. A mysterious figure seems to have taken control of Mount Zoom. I haven’t expanded upon this in case Fea has a plan in place. My plan is that they enter the Crack of DOOM again and fall down a trap door and end up in some random part of the casino.

Kath · 06-23-2006, 08:24 AM

I'm fine with having things wrapped up. Monday will be my last exam and so after that I am absolutely free to participate in this properly.

06-19-2006, 08:35 PM	#281
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	littlemanpoet: I trust that you'll be extremely careful with this. I can't stress it enough. __________________ peace

06-20-2006, 06:37 AM	#282
Hookbill the Goomba Alive without breath Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: On A Cold Wind To Valhalla Posts: 5,912	The continuing adventures of Smilog the Dwarf and associates I'm wondering if LMP noticed the subtle reference to the band Genesis in my latest post. Fea, I leave it to you (and Roggie) to decide what to do with the police. I'm a little stuck for ideas at the moment. I did have a rather amusing plan, but I've forgotten most of it now. __________________ I think that if you want facts, then The Downer Newspaper is probably the place to go. I know! I read it once. THE PHANTOM AND ALIEN: The Legend of the Golden Bus Ticket...

06-20-2006, 10:59 AM	#284
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	As long as Christians are pilloried too (Illamatar doesn't count) I don't mind especially... Jenny, could you reply to Dracomir's nasty little snipe? I'm slightly immobilised till you do... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

06-20-2006, 12:05 PM	#285
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Why doesn't Illamatar count? I always figured he was supposed to be parodying the Christian God - Fea? __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

06-20-2006, 12:11 PM	#286
Hookbill the Goomba Alive without breath Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: On A Cold Wind To Valhalla Posts: 5,912	Ah! I've remembered what I was going to do! It's a little chase scene that ends oddly and rather unexpectedly (I would hope). Nice that it’s onto a 4th page. I'm still clueless as to where this RPG is heading! Do we know who is driving Mount Zoom, by the way? __________________ I think that if you want facts, then The Downer Newspaper is probably the place to go. I know! I read it once. THE PHANTOM AND ALIEN: The Legend of the Golden Bus Ticket...

06-20-2006, 10:57 AM	#283
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	I don't see the problem with Allah-matar, though associating him with trolls may be a little scandalous. But I myself intend to introduce the Spanish Inquisition, so religious satire should be on the table, methinks.

06-20-2006, 12:11 PM	#287
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Well, he's not called Godamatar or Christamatar for a start, is he? On the purely linguistic level he's more remote than Allahmatar. (As it happens I also voted No in the Is Eru God? poll...) I must stress that I am in no way bound up with Islam and in fact think it has grave intellectual flaws (as well as being slightly resentful of the fact that the Muslims sliced my lot to pieces in the seventh century...) but I just think we should try and be even-handed... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

06-20-2006, 12:14 PM	#288
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Alright! Just wondered. Anyway, it's lmp, it'll be done fine. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”

06-20-2006, 12:56 PM	#289
Hookbill the Goomba Alive without breath Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: On A Cold Wind To Valhalla Posts: 5,912	Save filled. The weirdest chase scene ever! ... Probably. __________________ I think that if you want facts, then The Downer Newspaper is probably the place to go. I know! I read it once. THE PHANTOM AND ALIEN: The Legend of the Golden Bus Ticket...

06-20-2006, 01:12 PM	#290
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Okay, everybody hold on. Absolutely no religious punnery... at least not yet. A few things must be clarified. Illamatar was a spur of the moment pun from game one that was half-stolen from Reunification of the Entish Bow and their Emu Iluvtar or however the heck it was spelled. I punned only Tolkien's Eru with no inclination (and this had better not start a discussion on how Tolkien's God reflects the Christian one) to tag anything legitimate. Before anybody toys with real religions in any form or function, I need to check on a few things. So until you hear back from me on this, I want to see none of it. __________________ peace

06-20-2006, 06:02 PM	#291
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	How about sparing Feanor the hassle and creating our own spoof religions that may partake of the stuff of that hideous time in the future without coming too close? That would mean that Panakeia's StarTrekism, Skittles' RoboSkittism, Lugnuts' Womb of the Ringism, and Elessar reincarnated are fine; the only thing that needs to be a little less obvious is the Trolls' belief. Will that work? Next issue: will anybody freak if there's fundamentalist fanatical terrorism appearing here and there in ATM2?

06-20-2006, 06:14 PM	#292
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Here's a caveat from the moderator: No religions will be parodied or pseudo-represented at present until Child of the 7th Age and I discuss this. -- piosenniel

06-20-2006, 06:17 PM	#293
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Okey doke. Back to romance and angst we go.....

06-20-2006, 06:22 PM	#294
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Pio - is it okay if Panakeia continues to be celebrity-obsessed? Trekdom isn't really a religion, nor intended as a representation of anything in the real world other than excessive obsessiveness over TV shows. Or should I have her mysteriously be 'cured' of the Dweomer's effects? Just want to make sure. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff. Last edited by Celuien; 06-20-2006 at 06:42 PM.

06-20-2006, 07:38 PM	#296
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Child and I have reviewed this subject. We've also taken a look at some directives from the Barrow-Wight and suggestions from the Administrator for the RPG forums. If you wish to write about a religion which has nothing to do with any established religion - such as Trek-ism that's ok. But no established religion is to be parodied. And if someone objects to a made up religion, saying for example it is too close to making fun of some established religion, then those posts will need to be edited from the game. I would suggest you just steer away from this subject in the long run and find another avenue to pursue. ~*~ Pio

06-21-2006, 04:00 AM	#297
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	If it's okay with everyone else, then, I'll have the Blue Istari step in and do a prime directive corrective.

06-21-2006, 07:36 AM	#299
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Thank you, Pio and Child. Thank you also, ATM2 Crew, for understanding my concern with the issue. __________________ peace

06-21-2006, 08:05 AM	#300
Hookbill the Goomba Alive without breath Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: On A Cold Wind To Valhalla Posts: 5,912	I hope The Barrow Wight won't be insulted by me giving him a very well spoken English accent. Fea, any indication as to when Zoom will be... erm... zooming again, or are you saving it to be a surprise? __________________ I think that if you want facts, then The Downer Newspaper is probably the place to go. I know! I read it once. THE PHANTOM AND ALIEN: The Legend of the Golden Bus Ticket...

06-21-2006, 06:18 PM	#303
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	raise your hand if you want to see Panakeia smack Anakron - or at least dump him Anyway, I just thought I would let you all know that I shan't be making a Skittles post for a couple days, probably. If you need/want to include her in any of your posts, um, I dunno, do whatever. You can even get rid of the robot if you want. Such is the extent of my I-have-no-plans-at-the-moment. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

06-22-2006, 07:57 AM	#307
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Game Timing Update: Though it is open to change, the game was slated to run for several weeks. Thus far, one morning and early afternoon of it has taken us several real time weeks. At this rate, the game will end some time after we've all watched the birth and growth of grandkids. Unless somebody gives me a fantastic reason for a longer delay, I'd like to see "today" and all of it's adventures or pieces of adventure, wrapped up by this time next week. Does that give everybody enough time to wrap up their tangents and get back to Mount Zoom? Celuien and LMP, can Anakron and Panakeia get through the Lost Angles part of their snit and return to the mountain by then? Form, Jay, B88, can we wrap up lunch and conversations with locals (there will be time for more of that later) and get back to the mountain? Hookbill, Roggie, can we um... finish whatever it is we're doing there and get ourselves into a negotiating mood? Everybody else: are we good to go? By this time next week, I want *everybody* inside of Mount Doom. By next weekend, I want Roggie to have been successfully convinced by his diplomats (all of them!) to negotiate. Savvy? I love adventures, but they don't all have to take place on the first day. __________________ peace

06-22-2006, 08:10 AM	#308
Hookbill the Goomba Alive without breath Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: On A Cold Wind To Valhalla Posts: 5,912	I was under the impression that Roggie wouldn’t be in a negotiating mood until his casino was ‘safely’* back in Mordor. So, that may be difficult, but I'll give it a go. Perhaps Smilog can start dropping hints here and there and eventually he gives in? *Or as safe as one can get in Mordor... __________________ I think that if you want facts, then The Downer Newspaper is probably the place to go. I know! I read it once. THE PHANTOM AND ALIEN: The Legend of the Golden Bus Ticket...

06-22-2006, 08:36 AM	#309
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	Roggie will be what I tell him to be. Consider it an extra big challenge, if you like. I don't want the game to stagnate on day one. __________________ peace

06-22-2006, 01:40 PM	#313
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	I will make sure we're back to Mount Zoom. I just wanted to make sure you guys could get all of your unfinished business taken care of up to the point that a sudden relocation wouldn't completely mess up your subplots. __________________ peace

06-22-2006, 04:12 PM	#315
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Never mind sub-plot: We have a plot? We're just making things up as we go.

06-23-2006, 05:50 AM	#319
Hookbill the Goomba Alive without breath Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: On A Cold Wind To Valhalla Posts: 5,912	Save filled. Smilog goes crazy and stuff. A mysterious figure seems to have taken control of Mount Zoom. I haven’t expanded upon this in case Fea has a plan in place. My plan is that they enter the Crack of DOOM again and fall down a trap door and end up in some random part of the casino. __________________ I think that if you want facts, then The Downer Newspaper is probably the place to go. I know! I read it once. THE PHANTOM AND ALIEN: The Legend of the Golden Bus Ticket...

06-23-2006, 08:24 AM	#320
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	I'm fine with having things wrapped up. Monday will be my last exam and so after that I am absolutely free to participate in this properly. __________________ “If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.”