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02-23-2009, 12:47 AM | #241 | |
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02-23-2009, 01:49 AM | #243 | |
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Seeing our numbers already dwindling quickly reminds me of how much I hate when games have two kills per Night. And the fact that three of the baddies are gifted doesn't help. Gah, I'm such a pessimist, but I can't help but think we're at a major disadvantage. If my calculations are correct, we have three Days to catch a werewolf in order to have a chance to win (or maybe four Days if there isn't two kills one Night). So while we will eventually want the cobbler and werebear dead, it's the werewolves we specifically should be concerned about at the moment.
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Nerwen looks like she was probably a safe kill, as she didn't say all that much. She only shared her thoughts on three players, then missed the voting. It's a shame she went so soon; a hunter would've been quite dangerous for the baddies later on as she would've had better chances of being accurate and from her posts I'm not sure we can get a good idea of who she could've targeted. It's frustrating to lose a gifted on the second Night, but then again it could've been much worse. As for Eomer, he could've been a safe kill too since he did not say all that much. His death makes me think that Sally's probably not the werebear. I don't think she would take the risk of killing a player who only discussed and suspected her. I have nothing else to say for now. It's late, I'm tired, and still need to shower before going to bed. I will probably be off and on most of the Day, though more consistently online towards the end. Which means toDay I shouldn't have to read four pages in one sitting, and hopefully this time my brain will actually be turned on as I think it was turned off up until now. For one thing, I realised in the final moments of yesterDay that I no longer could see any of my main suspects as baddies...a moment of realisation that came much too late. Not that Fea and Eonwe are off the hook, but I think toDay I need to wipe the slate clean and re-examine everyone.
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02-23-2009, 05:10 AM | #244 |
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I promised Gandalf and Sauron that I'd get up early and sweep, wax, and polish the game board. It'll take me quite a while- this place is filthy, blood and guts everywhere! But upon completion I should be able to take a good look at the moves of yesterday and last night and offer up an opinion or two. See you in about nine hours.
*sighs and grabs broom*
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02-23-2009, 07:47 AM | #245 |
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Man - fewer ordos in this game than special roles, now - a strange feeling.
That whole Fea/Nog situation after I went to bed yesterDay was... interesting. So much like last game, I can't help but think there's something planned in it. Nog's case against Fea was maybe slightly better than his anti-Durelin crusade then, but it still seems to me that Fea could very well be innocent, and the way so many jumped to vote for her (or defend her) is just odd. I'm going to take a close look at yesterDay's voting as soon as I have a free moment. Also, there was something Izzy said yesterDay that gave me the heebie-jeebies (stay tuned for next week's episode...) I'm surprised no one's mentioned the possibility of Nerwen being killed as a potential gifted yet. When I saw her role, I immediately thought "so that's why she was so jumpy!" |
02-23-2009, 08:14 AM | #246 |
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I'm awake-
but useless until after breakfast.
Then I shall take a look at my notes and try to find anything of value to post. It's neat, having so many gifteds: instead of ordos who act without information, you can sit and look for people who fit specific role constraints. You might not find anything, but the potential is there. It's not very useful early in the game, but I'm having fun looking for patterns. Though if my example with Nog is an indicator, maybe I should sit back and wait to be told what to think.
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02-23-2009, 08:44 AM | #247 |
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So I had a a few things that I was going to look at from yesterDay but then saw that they were explained/in the light of more sleep not as important. I really was going to ask about the Nog and Fea seer thing, but then thought better of it because it was explained already.
As for other things: would Nerwen have been a safe wolf kill because she didn't vote yesterDay? As for thoughts on why Eomer was chosen: he was making a lot of sense, and sort of sounded like he was playing it safe as a gifted, but then again, I don't know his persona from before, therefore not sure what he would have been like as an ordo/gifted/baddie. I really have nothing else interesting to say. Later I probably will, mostly because then more people would have posted/I will procrastinate doing work to go through again and see if anything catches my eye. Edit: X-posted with pre-breakfast Fea.
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02-23-2009, 09:18 AM | #248 |
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Sorry; got distracted by writing an essay about how video game mentality could solve the world's economic problems. Still haven't eaten...
I'll be around for real later.
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The voting:
#33 Kath for Nerwen: Quote:
Unlike some, I don't think this looks particularly bad. She's clearly not trying to get Nerwen lynched (later she calls her “thoughtful”) and at this point no one had voiced suspicion toward Nerwen. Casting a random vote for an unhelpful person might look less dangerous, but, in the end, is more likely to start a bandwagon. Now, if she continued playing this way, it would be totally irresponsible, but I expect she won't. #101: Fea's vote and infamous comment: Quote:
#102 Durie votes for Sally: Quote:
#103 Steve for Gwath Quote:
#110 - Eomer for Sally. Known innocent voting for decent reasons... and now I'm starting to wonder whether Sally could be a bluffing werebear, or the werebear attempted to frame her. #139 Rikae for Steve. Quote:
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#154 Lari for Nog: Quote:
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#162 Wilwa for Steve. Quote:
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#168 Gwath for Fea. Known innocent following Nog. Indeed, it didn't look too good at the time. Mnemi then proceeds to defend Fea to Gwath. I might have done the same at that point, so I don't think it's suspicious. Nog, however, starts suspecting Fea's defenders. He seems edgy and jumpy. I would suspect him strongly, if I hadn't seen him get all single-minded like this in other games, too, and turn out innocent. #196 Izzy for Gwath. It looks rather bad at this point, especially since she admits “it may be your style”. She ties him with Sally and Steve. #211 Sally for Fea. Quote:
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#217 Brinn for Gwath without comment. Conclusions: Sally, Izzy, Steve, Lari, and to some extent, Nog, come out of the voting looking rather nasty. No one (as far as I can see) comes out looking especially nice, and Kath, Durie, and Hansy need to shape up and give decent reasons for their votes in the future *looks stern*. |
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02-23-2009, 10:27 AM | #250 | |
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02-23-2009, 10:52 AM | #251 |
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Well this is iterrible, it's too bad Eomer is gone so soon, he makes the game so interesting, and then Nerwen being the Rook is aweful, don't like the idea that we lost a gifted plus there are all these gifted baddies. Makes me very uneasy.
Don't have a lot to say right now, I've caught up on everything but I'm in a bit of a rush at the moment, I should be back in a few hours to give a new list on my opinions of everyone and such. I've already seen a few things here and there that I don't like, I'll clarify on all that when I get back. Just wanted to let you all know I was around.
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Remember I'm looking for patterns. All of these are from Day 1 which means that two people were dreamed of (unless the White Queen gets dreams too; I hate not knowing the nature of a role), and there ought to be hints in here. Lists, as people well know, are a good way to figure out somebody's sincerity and somebody's inclinations. Be back after lunch... sugar crash again...
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02-23-2009, 01:01 PM | #253 |
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As I saw that tp had already taken the task of cleaning the game board, I have spent my day polishing you pieces. And how nicely you shine now!
Okay. We really need to get that Black Queen, pronto. I don't know if there's any way or method to it as it would be really easy to hide being there alone. Well, I say look at the most agreeable people; those who are the least controversial as in a tough place one tends to not vote for the one whom s/he feels more at ease with or who rubs you the right way. And the BQ has all the chances to play like that as she shouldn't know anything more than we do. I mean the trio knows each other and may be tempted to cover each other in a tight place or anyhow take stance on people whose role they know. And that normally gives one leads into suspecting someone. But to stop this double-killing we'd need to get all the three first! So the BQ would be top on our agenda. The problem being that finding her out is more up to luck than our abilities. And meanwhile the trio gets knowledge everyNight by their bishop... Well, let's heighten our spirits a bit. Short count says that if we get all the three wolves in succesive Days beginning toDay, we're rid of the wolves and will only have one kill / Night after Day4. At that point - with no special help (eg. BQ killing one of the baddies for us, the Knight protecting someone succesfully...) we'll start Day5 with 6:1 ratio - which is not too bad. But if we miss a single baddie during the next three Days the ratio becomes pretty tight. One miss in the following Days leads to the ratio of 4:2 on the beginning of Day5! Missing the lynch then would practically mean defeat. So, summa summarum: of the next four lynches we basically have to lynch right three times. Otherwise we're dead meat (unless lady Fortuna aids us during the Nights). Unless we get the BQ... Nice scenario, isn't it? I'm trying to go back and see whether there is anything worth pointing out in posting toDay & on the votes etc. from yesterDay.
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02-23-2009, 01:12 PM | #254 |
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Where is everyone?
Fea, the list you listed as being listed by Fea is by Nog. Lari, what do you mean, you shouldn't defend your vote? Seriously, people, we all need to talk. Back in a bit with something (hopefully) more helpful. |
02-23-2009, 01:22 PM | #255 |
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I'm not sure if we should dwell too much on this but I got an idea while having a cigarette I think should be voiced as well so that everyone's aware of the possibility.
So two people died last Night. The one killed by the BQ and the other by the wolf team. Or is it so? Maybe this time, but maybe not every Night? Looking at the disadvantage of the village from the beginning I have somehow thought all the time that the role of the WQ will involve an ability to do personal kills at Night as well. It would be a double-edged sword and some would use it very sparingly - but then others... I happen to remember my own game a long time back where Anguirel had this special Night-killing ability and he killed someone every Night of the game and finally championed the good ones to victory killing more baddies singlehanded than the village did with their lynches... So looking at motives behind the kills last Night and further down the road should probably include an "baddie-motive-error-factor" - like later in the game if someone tries to fit the kills together and doesn't seem to get the pieces in order it might be that our WQ has something to do with them and not only the baddies... Okay, now back to the data...
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02-23-2009, 01:26 PM | #256 |
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Ah, but another thought:
Not sure why Nog is bemoaning the bleakness of the scenario like that. After all, the wolves and werebear could very well kill each other, the WQ may be able to kill them, and the ranger's chances of stopping a kill go up every night. I would say it's extremely unlikely that no baddies will die by night in the next 3 days and they will manage to kill two innocents per night... at any rate, there are simply too many variables to predict the state of things on day 5. Maybe you're trying to rally people not to waste the lynch, which is reasonable enough, but painting the situation as nearly hopeless will just demoralize the village. EDIT: X'd with Noggie. A pretty far-fetched theory, and one that might help the evil side. I doubt Shasta would fail to make it clear, in that case, which role was responsible for which kill. |
02-23-2009, 01:28 PM | #257 |
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Right. How come half of the quotes are from me...
Now c'mon and play a bit more openly people! Everyone just lurking at the corners and avoiding attention will give us only lotteries in the end of the Day instead of a decent possibility to find out the baddies by looking at what people really think - or want us think they think. Like Rikae said: discussion, please!
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Okay. Like I said, this is just an idea and we might need to revisit it on later Days if trying to figure out the reasoning behind the kills will give us problems but right now I'm not sure this merits too much pondering as it's immeadiate helpfulness toDay is doubtful. EDIT: * and the killed piece seems to have been way out from it's initial position everytime someone has been killed...
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02-23-2009, 02:29 PM | #259 | |
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Alrighty, I'm back and I have re-read everything! Wow. K, so here's my list, with a rating from 1-10 (1 being snow white innocent, 10 being pitch black guilty, in my eyes), it has changed a lot from yesterDay, just cause I hadn't been as thorough yesterDay, so here it is:
Mirandir: Didn't say too much so she makes me uneasy, I find it interesting that she kept up so well with the vote tallys and yet wasn't able to vote. 8 Durelin: Not much to go on I find, so she too makes me a bit uneasy, I'm willing to hold off a bit though on her. 6 Fea: Is Fea, so I will wait til later to try and sort out exactly how I feel, so I can see more from her. 5 Izzy: Not really getting any negative vibes from her, so I'm gonna go with thinking innocent for now. 3 the phantom: He seems normal tp to me, so yet another neutral for me. 5 Brinn: I didn't like her yesterDay, but I'll admit I hadn't read her posts thoroughly, after re-reading them a bit I've come to be more comfortable with her, even though her vote did bring Gwath into the tie, but still don't see anything too baddie from her for now. 3 Sally: not much substance from her I find, but according to what people have said about her that's normal for her, so I don't really know, though my gut doesn't like her. 7 Lariren: I find she goes in circles a bit, seems to be tip-toeing and agreeing. So she makes me a bit unsure, but not necessarily all out suspicious. 6 Rikae: I'm fairly comfortable with her so far, I haven't seen anything suspicious. 3 Eonwe: Still don't like him very much, but he said he wouldn't be aroud toDay so I don't think I'll be voting for him again. 7 Nogrod: Talks alot, that makes me just as uneasy as the ones who never post. So I really don't know yet, I'll need to read all his many posts one more time to really get a feel, but so far not liking it. 6 Quote:
Kath: Really badly want her to post. 5 Hansy: Seems to be pretty savvy considering this is his first game, uneasy but will let him be toDay unless he says something later on toDay that I don't like. 6 Therefore my possible vote will be for Mira or Mnemo, though Sally is a possibility aswell. Be back in a couple hours to re-evaluate. Study time.
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02-23-2009, 02:29 PM | #260 |
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If Phantom was sweeping, and Nog was polishing - then I was staring off into space pretending to do whatever task I was supposed to be doing. xD
That is clever. At first look, the position notations seem to be close to gibberish to me. I don't think Shasta could quite keep it perfectly accurate every time. Since each piece can only move in a certain way, by technicality. So, in theory - wouldn't he make it as accurate as possible. So in the killing blows, the move to take the piece was akin to that of its moving constraint? X'd with Wilwa
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02-23-2009, 02:31 PM | #261 |
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I took a closer look at Izzy...
Post #26 – Banter #79 – Explaining Hansy #89 – Jokes with tp, argues against discussing white queen's role: “In reality, what good would it be to in-depthly theorize about what the White Queen may or may not be able to do? We won't know (I assume) until the game is over. So, what kind of help is that going to lend us; when dealing with the evilies that we do know about?” Probably more good than Izzy is doing at this point, I reckon. #95 more joking with tp #133 Doesn't want to vote randomly, although she otherwise would, because “it feels too much like bandwagoning” with so many others doing it. I don't like this. It could very easily mean “it looks too much like bandwagoning – those who did it are getting pressure, and I want to play it safe” A lot of descriptions of what's been going on, with no substantial commentary. Repeats my question about the cobbler, for no apparent reason. Also creepy – a bit “hey! Cobbler! Over here!”. A lot of agreeing with (no offense, Gwath and Mnemi) pretty empty statements about looking for the wolves and bear... then goes after Mnemi for bringing it up: “I have a question Mnemosyne. If dwelling too much on The White Queen would be baddie like behavior, or giving them ideas. Well what is bringing back up a topic from two pages ago? Wouldn't that be in the same realm?” Says Hansy's ideas are not outlandish. I assume you mean the bit about cheating? Hmph. #141 – Gwath is worrying her with short posts (note, this is after he has received his first vote and some suspicion). Backs off Mnemi. Now the really weird part: instead of listing suspects and presumed innocents, she lists people who “stick out in” her mind. The reasons she gives are strange, too – me, Nog, Phantom, Fea and Sally for our usual behavior (is this an attempt to insinuate that we're suspicious because of our “usual behavior” without saying so, or what?) and Hansy, Mnemi and Gwath – only the latter two because she suspects them, though. #146 More going after Gwath for short posts and banter. #175 Explaining self to Nerwen #196 Doesn't find Fea suspicious. Votes Gwath, saying: “I am going to stick with my earlier doubts. It may be your style, which I can't blame you for. I had a brief chance to try and sift through your past games - and only had time to quickly go through your most recent one's first Day. You seemed to be a bit more aggressive in it, than you are here. What that says, not entirely sure. I'd rather vote for one I've got doubts on, than leave it to a toss of a die.” #206 Vote count #214 Minor comments Conclusion: Bad. Wolf. Bad. Wolf. EDIT: X'd with Wilwa and Izzy. |
02-23-2009, 02:32 PM | #262 |
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*phew*
Polishing the game board is hard work. But it's looking nice and shiny now, so I can finally take a proper look back at the previous moves and give my take on the vote, why the kills were made, who Nerwen might've been hunting, etc. Don't expect a post extremely soon though. I'm just now starting my reading.
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02-23-2009, 02:39 PM | #263 |
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Okay, after reading Day 1 up to my last post, I think that, had I done it earlier, I would've probably voted for Sally. She's done basically the same as last game - besides that, instead of disappearing after the banter, she vaguely comments stuff that has been discussed already - thus adding nothing useful, maybe trying to look good. That's mostly post #73.
I think Nogrod is evil. I don't quite know why I feel that way; I'll look him again, trying to find it out. The Fea/Nogrod case; she was seeing clues in her own post before Nogrod had said anything (excluding his pretty Alice quote - could that be taken as a hint itself? I have no idea). So, she was at least prone to think there was something hidden, Nogrod happened to answer her back, the character is called "Han Solo" itself, pretty convenient for an hint... but there's more to that. You'll notice Fea was herself making more and more questions, just like if she wanted to get more "evidence" against me. So, what is this about? I claim she plotted the whole thing from the beginning, to incriminate me. But why me? I should be just a silly newbie. The thing is, I was a last resort solution. Because she wanted to incriminate Lommy. But she isn't playing. So, she thought, why waste such a brilliant plan to break havoc in the game? And it happened. Of course, all that tells us is that Fea is an evil mastermind. It says nothing about her alignment in this game - and I'm tempted to believe she's most probably innocent. But that leads us to another funny subject, "Save Fea!" Most of you shall know this business better, but here's the pattern I noticed: 1. Fea acts suspiciously and puts herself in line for execution. 2. Fea's fan club panics and focus on a random lynch to save Fea from being executed. 3. The random lynchee turns out innocent. Now Fea may, or may not, be in even more danger. So, it's not really efficient. Making lists is a hard work. I discovered that while trying to make one, during the Night. Well, you can have this: Likely innocent: Lari, Fea, Rikae, Isa, Brinn (although she doesn't count because it seems she will always look innocent). Likely evil: Sally, Nog, Mira, Eonwe I have no idea: Durelin, Kath, TP, Nemo ---- that's all for now, going off for dinner. (crossed since Nog's post 586330, probably there's a whole new page already) |
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Have you seen Steve's (Eönwë's) post in the admin thread?
I suggest we leave him be at least toDay - and if he happens to be a baddie we scorn him for the rest of his life for free-riding in an immoral fashion... *I just realised that I had left a few pieces unpolished... back soon* Okay, then for something completely different. I'm still uneasy with Fea. Then again I'm also thinking she's most probably the Black Pawn and thence I'm not too sure we should waste a lynch on her if we have any decent option of lynching an actual killer-baddie. Let me make my point in short one more time as it seems many people just don't get it. So she makes that little and totally unconnected remark in her voting post saying I have "a way of saying interesting things on Day One" which follows after her telling she's in no mood to be nice to newbies (as a reason for her vote for Hansy). Then after being questioned why she said that, she admits that she made the remark because she thought I was the seer. Now why would an innocent go on making such a statement if she had a feeling someone was the seer? She has never answered this - and I can't see why any decent innocent would act like that in the first place. Especially if she thought that I had the most valuable information of all eg. knowing the identity of the BQ which was part of her explanation?!!! But what kind of bothers me the most right now is her post toDay about it. Quote:
a) did she really have that thought out well before making the statement or is this invented afterwards (as her previous answer seemed to be in the crucial respects)? b) and even more importantly: why did she make that original point about her thinking me to be the seer if she had to have millions of cover-plans for it if someone who shouldn't notice it would notice it? What was the rationale for it? No innocent would say that aloud even if she thought that. A cobbler might wish to point out a possible seer to the baddies. The motivation and the way she carries this through points neatly toward cobblerism. A Black Queen wishing to point to the baddies who to kill / whom she will try to kill the coming Night then? In that case either the trio didn't get the hint or... and here we come to this possibility of the WQ being on action toNight... so maybe Fea really tried to kill me but the ranger covered me - and thus Eomer was killed by the WQ (it was a Q who took Eomer last Night but the table didn't tell us whether it was Black or White Queen who did it...)? In that case I'll be dead meat toMorrow. Baddies seldom leave an opportunity to kill someone without a danger of being distracted by the ranger unused if they have been frustrated once by her/him. The likelihood of these scenarios is quite clear to me. So Fea is up to no good but I can't see a believable scenario for her to be a member of the trio. The possibility of her being the BQ doesn't look too good either but is clearly better than the previous one. But her actions fit very nicely to her being the cobbler. So she's a cobbler then. QED Which means I should find someone else to vote for toDay as we can't afford yet another mislynch. EDIT: Because of the extra polishing-job I seem to have X'd with a host of posts...
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The last time I went and defended my vote it backfired horribly. And I also had to explain it so many times so I thought I would do it once and be done with it.
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02-23-2009, 03:46 PM | #266 |
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Very quickly.
To Nog, I believe we were told it was the Black Queen whom killed Eomer If I am not mistaken, the d8 is the starting point of the Queen - and is a dark square. Also, if I am not mistaken - the Queens begin the game on a square of their own color. So d8 is a dark square, meaning it was specified as the Black Queen whom killed Eomer.
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02-23-2009, 03:58 PM | #267 |
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A voice from the abyss...
I'd like to point out that the chess notation denoting the lynches is for plot purposes only, as this particular setting doesn't lend itself well to lengthy plots.
The chess notation denoting kills during the night.... well. Of course I'd also like to point out that I would have written a successful protection into the plot. Seemed like a rule clarification I should clear up.
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02-23-2009, 04:05 PM | #268 | |
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Oh my... it's coming midnight here and I need to wake up at 6.30...
I suspect all of you, quite equally right now. And the only one I feel comfortable with my judgement is Fea who is a bad lynch for toDay as we need a killing-baddie and not a cobbler... I think I need to count on your good judgement as my time for toDay runs out. I try to wake up a bit earlier tomorrow so that I could see if I have a reason to retrack my vote but that remains to be seen if I'm able to do that. Sorry about the little input I managed toDay but polishing you guys takes time. Quote:
Okay some pondering and a vote coming soon. EDIT: X'd with Shasta... nice crosspost that was...
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Which causes a bit of o.O in my head at the moment.
In post #258, you talked about the black opening side because of the starting positions notated next to the list of dead people. Which seems to mean, that you know a thing or two about chess. Yet in #264, you say that the table did not specify which Q it was, but as already said - you'd already pointed out that the pieces were on the black opening side. So wouldn't that alone, tell you that it was the BQ responsible? Why the.. waffling (best word which comes to mind at the moment.) ? On the other hand - In #258 you also said that the opening starting positions may not tell us anything because of the lynching and killing of Gwath and Shasta. Here is a theory - couldn't those things, mainly such as lynchings - be for the sole purpose of the plot? So they are a part of the game, but not falsely incriminating someone? When I say falsely incriminating - let me elaborate. I don't think Shasta could or would in his notation attribute the lynchings to the WQ/BQ/WB/BB etc.. Wouldn't that in a sense, not make sense? Drat. Got sidetracked with my rereading. X'd with Shasta and Nog.
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02-23-2009, 04:09 PM | #270 |
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Man, poor Gwath...how many early lynches is that for him?
I love how the two lynchee possibilities were Fea and Fea's secondary attacker rather than her initial attacker. I guess because people are still obsessed with the bandwagon concept? I don't know. Brinniel, as far as I can tell, did a 180 from voting Fea and to voting Gwath at the last minute. And I love how Hansy summed up the whole thing. But you know what, I have no desire to talk about that much more, because it normally ends up to be just a distracting mess. But on the other hand, I wouldn't mind seeing Fea gone at all. I get very sick of people saving one another at the loss of someone else simply because they like someone more. It only proves further that any sort of democratic system is a mindless popularity contest. *shakes fist at the system* |
02-23-2009, 04:11 PM | #271 |
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I'm part of the way through my reading. I've read the people with the fewest posts, including last Night's victims.
At this point I will say that the kills leave a rather empty trail. I can't see that either victim fingered anyone as innocent or guilty in a Seerish way (in a way that could be read decently after death), so the kills must have been based on more than White Bishop hunting. To make someone look bad, perhaps? Or was it based mostly upon safety- would leave no trail, or a faint wrong trail at the most, and the victim was considered unlikely to be, if the Rook, hunting you or your team mates. As far as the Hunt is concerned, Nerwen didn't make it clear, did she? Maybe Rikae if I had to guess. Dunno... Anyway, back to reading!
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02-23-2009, 04:22 PM | #273 |
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tp - But I also don't recall you having any true suspicion of Gwath, so I guess you're just saying you felt you had a better read on her being innocent than on Gwath being so?
Either way I say vote for who you think is guilty. Kay, peoples? (So yesterDay I voted for someone I did not think guilty, but I did not think anyone guilty as it was an early vote and I admit I had not had the chance to read any of the thread since I had earlier posted.) Also, if we goodly people do that, then the baddies have to follow our lead and vote for someone "they think is guilty". They have to try to make cases and things like that, rather than just make friends by saying "oh I think this poor soul up for lynch here is innocent, so I am going to save them!" End of useless blather. Guess I'll start actually following what I preach later and talk about someone guilty. |
02-23-2009, 04:29 PM | #274 | |
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Okay guys, be sporty! Like I and my daughters (Lommy & Greenie) are when in a game. We ruthlessly advocate lynching each other if we think we have a reason - and that goes also in a larger scheme of things to Aganzir and Volo as well who are our RL friends. I mean the reason why Fea the cobbler was not lynched yesterDay was friendship and not the arguments in the game. And we could be rid of a cobbler now... Don't get me wrong: in a situation where I have no clue about who to vote I tend to vote for someone I think might not contribute to the game so much or to save someone who contributes or I enjoy a lot playing with. Sure. But during some last games I have gotten a feeling there is a kind of mutual consensus between some people to just keep on helping some others because of the social factor even if there are good reasons to vote differently... Yes, I like to see tp around for more than one day, and Boro and Rikae and Mac, and Brinn and Nerwen and... *add a long list here* because I think they are nice people whom I know a bit and I know they will contribute to the game eg. play it. But if there is reason to belive one of them is a baddie I do not hesitate to vote them. That's called playing the game. Blah, one distraction too much for me... Going back to look at voting... EDIT: Kudos for your last one Dury! Good general points!
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02-23-2009, 04:32 PM | #275 |
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Going through and reading, but I'd just like to say something quick, silly though it may be.
DUDE! Noggie, go to bed. We killed you off last game (that is, Brinn, Nerwen, and I) so you would get some sleep, but this game I'm not evil so you're on your own. Silly man, get some rest. Mistress Sally commands it. And on that note some things from yesterDay. I'll hopefully do some more analysis on the votes, but the thing that really worried me was Phantom and Brinn right at the end of the Day, both glomping poor Gwathiepoo like that. (And yes, he's going to come from beyond the grave and totally smite me for calling him that, but it's just too fun to resist.) I'd certainly like to know if they x'd or if it was intentional bandwaggoning on one or both their parts. (I suppose if nothing else they both intended to separately bandwagon and both happened to do it at the same time, but it still strikes me as odd.) And for Little Mnemo, I voted Fea because, of the suspects that were available, she looked the dingiest upon a short readthrough. Notice that Nerwen, Gwath, and I were/are all innocent (not that you'll believe me, but hey) so I still think I made the best choice. Besides, as I said shortly after I voted, I preferred to not have the lynch left up to Shasta and his coin flipping machine. We all know how that can end up. So, of the people who were close to the tie range, again, Fea was the best decision I could make at the time. EDIT: x'd since....Izzy, I believe. I certainly don't remember seeing that post of Phantom's anyway.
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02-23-2009, 04:33 PM | #276 |
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Oh my, so it seems this will be my last chance to get on toDay, which I'm not overly happy about, something just came up that is totally unavoidable, so I will have to vote right now.
++Mnemosyne As I stated before it is because of her first post toDay, just did not sit well with me at all, and after I re-read her posts from yeaterDay I found her very confusing and that just made me a bit more confident in suspecting her. Sorry for my lack in contribution toDay. Good luck! X-posted with Nogrod and Sally
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02-23-2009, 04:35 PM | #277 |
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Hi all! Just to say I am here and am currently writing a post. It might take a while to go up as I'm being distracted by the Oscars but it's on it's way.
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I might almost vote you tp from that response you gave to Dury. I really don't believe a word from it - well okay some words maybe but overall it looks like a very bad apology.
The question is whether you tried to save Fea just because you love to play with her or because you realised that my argument about her being the cobbler was indeed believable as Fea would be on your side in voting & general hassle later on? I mean you have to prove your alliances in a way or another when you can't PM, and that would be a good way to do that? Building trust? Right? Also the way you give the impression you understand everything that is going on and then go on being nice to everyone - and avoid making any actual suspicions - looks really like a standard intelligent baddie behaviour. What was it you said to me late yesterDay? Quote:
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Leave me alone till I'm done with my reading Nog.
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And really- you suspect me because I disagreed with you and still thought you were innocent? That's just silly. Simple odds say you are innocent, and simple odds say that your heaviest suspicion yesterday was wrong, so really now. You have to do better than that, Nog. Back to reading...
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I agree with Rikae's points on Izzy. Also I would underline that I have played with Izzy a few games and know she's perfectly cabable of producing actual points but now she seems to shy away of making any actual thoughts.
I would be very much ready to vote for Kath for sheer inattendance but if there is a bigger post coming I will have to cease my verdict. She has the nasty way of sneaking through the first Days with just these RL-problems but then somehow she finds more time later in the game - and she has won (or gotten very far) a few times as baddie exactly that way. Sally and Brinn bother me as well. Sally's vote yesterDay especially and Brinn's familiar carefulness and agreeableness just creep me out. Dury feels like too straightforward and challenging to be a baddie - unless this league of friends is all goodies and she's a baddie of a bunch of relatively unconnected people and opens her frustration with the situation... Rikae has good points but that's normal - whatever her role is. Somehow my guts once again yell that she's a baddie but I have no clear place to point the suspicion into. Maybe it's something to do with her slightly opportunistic stance eg. she goes on building cases or making remarks on subjects that are probably going to fall nicely to the general feeling or something? There is something fishy there even if I can't pinpoint it. Okay. Time's out very soon... (Hopefully I managed to get half of you mad and retaliatory with this! But really, this is what we need to do!) A cigarette and a decision... Oh no... first a quick answer... Quote:
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