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I did not want Inzil lynched yesterday and argued against it. See Post 167 and Post 209.
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There are three wolves, therefore, I am allowed to suspect more than one person at a time. We are, however, only allowed to lynch one person at a time. So I have to make a choice about which potential candidate to support at any one time, based on factors such as the intensity of my belief in their guilt and the likelihood of my vote tipping the scales toward lynching the candidate I feel most strongly to be guilty. For the record, a quasi-vote looks like this... Quote:
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What I object to is your implication that my alleged support of lynching Inzil yesterDAY, an allegation that is not backed up by the easily examined facts, is somehow indicative of my participation in some elaborate and torturous plot to deceive the Ward and win the game as a wolf. What I pointed out was that your assertion fell flat on its own merits.
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I suppose another good question would be, why would a Borowolf use his vote on the cleared innocent Lottie so early on in the day, when the game hinges on a single vote (assuming an innocent Inzil)?
Well, voting anyone but Lottie at this stage is silly. Although he did try, early on, as has been pointed out. Regardless, look at who Lottie has suspected today - Lalaith and myself, for the most part. Whereas Lommy and Kuru are basically given a pass - it's a reasonable assumption to think she'd continue going after Lalaith and I today and leave his packmates alone.
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My own quasi-vote was in no way "wishy-washy", either - Lommy had very recently acted in a way which made me suspect her and I'd suspected Boro based purely on process of elimination. Inzil was there purely because I thought Lalaith looked better, and they were the two on the chopping block, but I specifically put him last. How is that "wishy-washy"? Quote:
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Anyway, as entertaining as this is, we are reaching voting time.
Since, Heaven Knows, I wouldn't want to be accused of quasi-voting, I'd like to be able to make all my votes clearly and in one post. As I said at the start of the DAY, I think both Shasta and Lalaith are wolves. It seems like Lalaith is on quite a number of people's suspicion lists so can we accumulate enough votes to tell our Rep to lynch her?
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"Quite a number"? That's stretching things just a tad, don't you think? Lottie has said she suspects Lal, that's true, and Lal shows up on Legate's list as well... but Legate has said he thinks Boro a more likely wolf, Lommy doesn't appear to suspect Lalaith much at all and seemed to come down on the side of suspecting Boro (distancing, in my own opinion, but based purely on what's been said today...), and I think my feelings on Boro vs. Lalaith are pretty clear at this point.
So why you'd continue to push Lalaith over Boro when the facts clearly show that more people suspect Boro escapes me.
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Shasta, I disagree so strongly with your interpretations of what's been going on that it's almost like we're playing totally different games.
I do think the wolves *need* to attack at least one of Legate or Kuru toDay, simply because of the way the numbers currently stand. If all three of Legate, Kuru, and I are out of the running for the lynch toDay, then that leaves only four people - Lommy, Lalaith, Boro, and Shasta. We have between three and two wolves in those four people, depending on Zil's alignment. The chances of us hitting a wolf are really very good so long as we stick to only these four people. If we suddenly expand that to include Legate and Kuru, then our chances go way down. So I'm very suspicious of the people trying to cast suspicion on either of those two - yesterDay it was mostly on Legate, toDay it seems to mostly be on Kuru, but both Days the suspicion was flaky and unsubstantiated. I feel much worse about Shasta following his attacks on Kuru and Boro toDay, both because of the potential motivation behind the attacks and the manner of the attacks themselves. He seemed almost desperate to swing the momentum back against Kuru, and kept picking at little things like why Boro didn't vote yesterDay (which made sense to me, he didn't have enough time to read through properly and didn't think he had a good idea of who might be guilty yet) or why Kuru didn't want to lynch Boro toDay despite suspecting him (again, makes perfect sense, we have targets that deserve higher lynching priority). I would put Shasta at the top of my list toDay. Edit: xed since Shasta's #244
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Curse this lack of lynching and lack of role reveal...it makes a person think in circles. I can't remember a game where I've suspected so many people and felt so paranoid.
I still can't keep from wondering, why did Nerwen die and not Kuru? And why have Kuru and Legate supported each other so stalwartly throughout this game and no-one thought it odd? Kuru, as I said before, you may be innocent in which case your bloodlust to raise a lynchmob against me is misguided - but if you are guilty you have played brilliantly.
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I still suspect Lalaith, but I would prefer Shasta if other people would be down for that. And I'm terribly sorry that my chronic illness is depriving you of entertainment, Shasta, but don't worry - I'll be dead soon enough, and you'll have to come up with something else to do once I'm gone. Edit: xed since my last
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Lottie, do me a favor here - really look at what I'm saying. We elected to no-lynch for two days in a row - is it really that far-fetched that the wolves would elect to do the same once? Especially given the position it's put Kuru in - you seem to trust him implicitly without really questioning it, based purely on "well, he claimed to have been demoralized". And I say again, "higher lynching priority"? By my count, most of people who've expressed a preference have put Boro highest on their lists. That's highest lynching priority by default.
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So, I'm moving to another person that appears frequently on the suspicion lists.
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Ugh. What a mess. I must say I could probably spend several pages analysing how Kuru and Shasta are overreacting to each other, but for the moment, let me say one thing - I am currently starting to think much worse about Shasta again. It isn't that I can't see the response to an attack like Kuru's to be adequate, but the tone strikes me as overly defensive. Plus thinking about Shasta in the "big picture" again, what Lottie said about the WWs needing to misdirect things sort of makes sense.
Gotta think. I am still around for a short time. EDIT: x-ed with about four last posts
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Just as an aside, I'm beginning to think the reason for this tirade is that the wolves are all effectively caught by the tail, fear the handwriting is on the wall and are trying desperate measures.
Makes me feel better about Inzil's guilt actually. I'm not sure wolves would launch themselves like this if three of them were left.
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Fine. I think two of our wolves are Kuru and Boro, but I'm not going to sit here and continue beating my head against a wall. I'll be back a bit before deadline.
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Anyway this is all feeling very claustrophobic, half the village aren't even here and it's nearly voting time and certainly v close to my RL bedtime.
++Loslote but please look outside the box...
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I'm very interested to hear Lommy's perspective on things if she is around and reading.
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felt very genuine and more like an innocent than a wolf, which makes me feel better about her (and, therefore, makes me question Boro and Lommy a little bit more).
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Yes, I would like to see Boro weigh in.
Unfortunately, I think his post earlier today strongly implied that he wouldn't be back. I hope he comes back, though. Kind of makes him a bit of a convenient target, no?
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My thinking at the moment
I figure I may as well post this now since the DAY is wrapping up.
I think Lottie is right on the money when she says that the wolves decided that they had to make a big push and try to tear down the likely innocents. Legate's tactic of non-lynching, even though we had to leave it, definitely put them in a bind. And note (as Lottie did) that the target yesterDAY, seemed to be Legate. Quite possibly because they were operating off of Shasta's belief that the Herbalist only had one heal in total, had used it, and that I was doomed. That didn't work for them. I was saved and here I am. This, and the things that have happened today, make me feel more confident than I had felt before that Inzil was, in fact, guilty. The numbers tell me that the wolves wouldn't have felt the need to launch themselves at me so strongly toDAY if there were three of them. I still feel quite strongly that Lalaith is guilty as she was one of the attempted underminers of Legate yesterDAY and is one of them of me toDAY. However, I will admit that she hasn't been so strong on it.
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And by "strong on it," since my words are being parsed to utter pieces, I mean she hasn't seemed to be attempting to undermine me toDAY as strong as she was trying to undermine Legate yesterDAY.
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Well, I don't have a perspective really.
The whole Shasta-Kuru spat is leaving a bad taste in my mouth, like I'd rather focus on something else entirely toDay. I'm well aware I don't probably have that luxury. Besides, maybe it's exactly what one or both of them wanted - have such a prolonged fight that wears out the other villagers, I think we've all seen those before. Anyway, I'm still 80-90% sure Kuru is innocent. Shasta? Could be either way, but leaning guilty. Like Lottie said, he seems to be playing an entirely different game than the rest of us which either means 1) he is a wolf or 2) he isn't a wolf because no one else seems to be sharing his bizarre perspective and if it was just a wolvish perspective maybe there would be more support for it (unless his fellows were McCaber and Inzil, which ould explain the borderline desperation). Others? I'm still worried and frustrated by Boro and I'm just saying that if he wins this game as a wolf it's plain unfair. It would make sense to wait for him to appear and contribute, but I'm not sure he's going to (be able to) do that. Lalaith and Legate still look pretty innocent to me, but I'm aware there's a fairly high probability at least one of them is a wolf. If Lottie is a wolf, hats off for an insane bold strategy that I'm unable to decipher. For lynch, I would support either Shasta or Boro. edit: xed with the three Kurus
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Remember when I said this back in #191 (everyone should be able to, not like I've done much of anything):
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I am pretty much convinced he's not coming back.
Anyway. I am sorta looking forward to see Lommy post (I would expect her to do so in a few minutes), then also based on that, I think I will just vote and then go to sleep. EDIT: look at that. I was wrong. (x-ed with Boro and Lommy)
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++Lottie for rep
I'm glad Boro's back, but his apologetic manner really rubs me the wrong way. I mean, missing most of the game is reason enough for an apology but the tone just felt off to me. I'll be off for a sec and then back for a teeny bit before I go to sleep. edit: xed with Kuru who shouldn't apologise for actually talking in a quieter than usual village
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My vote is ++Shasta. Frankly, I'm convinced that either Shasta or Lalaith will work as I think they are both wolves. And no that is not waffling. Please do not lynch Boro toNIGHT because the probabilities on him being a wolf are not as strong. I fear the tide will turn strongly against the Ward if we lynch incorrectly toNIGHT so we need to go with the highest probabilities. EDIT: I keep on forgetting to put pluses on my votes for rep for some reason.
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Is it just me being tired or did Boro's post say some really quite strange things just now?
Well I'm going to sleep and don't really know who to defintively suggest for lynching.
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Okay okay, so after this... well. I guess super-meta-rethinking probably does not make sense at this point.
I think it does not make sense to lynch Boro in the light of what he just said, if we look at it from the general perspective. I would, therefore, be probably okay with lynching Shasta toDay. What just worries me is that there seems to be such a nice consensus (meaning also Lommy now). In other words, yes, I would be much happier if the only people who agreed on it were the "known innocents", because everything else might mean a Wolf merrily contributing to lynching somebody else. But who knows. EDIT: x-ed with Lommy, Kuru and Lalaith
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For what good it may do me at this point, I still think Inzil was innocent. My views on Kuru and Boro haven't changed, either - I'll point out that someone can be inactive as a wolf as much as they can be inactive as an innocent, whether or not that inactivity was a choice (sorry, Boro).
I think Lalaith and Legate are innocent. Lottie obviously so. Makes the last wolf Lommy by process of elimination. It'll be cool to see if I'm right at the end regardless of Lottie's choice today. Good night.
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