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Because, if he does so toNight, the spies will just kill the ordo. If he waits, and gets a Ranger protect toNight, he can give us at the worst two innocents toMorrow, and a larger problem for the baddies.
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Well, he did say he was coming back before DL.
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And really, your behavior is totally driving me mad. It's not even that I would not consider your opinions as possible - it's ok that somebody trusts Steve, that happens with both real and fake revelations, and it's not like I am 100% convinced he is lying either, it just seems more probable given all that's happened - but you seem to have just a set pattern of behavior which is always... completely against all logic. Come on, I know you are an experienced player, so what is this? Voting immediately as soon as you see it. Not even a moment of pause to think. Bah. This is ridiculous. You are the Cobbler, whatever goes. Are you an Acolyte who could pick your role from the choice of Seer and Cobbler or whatever? It really seems that way, honestly. Going to sleep... I'll be back to vote before DL. The question I put before myself is this - whether it is ok to lynch Steve (if it seems he really is faking this), or whether to keep him around for the Night and try to see if the WWs attack him - simply: whether to risk the possibility that he is the real Seer after all. But how are we going to know otherwise than lynching Nogrod? He might start listing "dreamt" ordos or whatnot, eventually he'd be exposed, but after how long? Also, the WWs might want to kill the real Seer during the Night, which is not such a good idea. Too much now. Really going to sleep. Think, people, is all I can advise now... EDIT: x-ed again since my last
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Exactly that. When he can see whether his bluff worked or if he needs to try to save himself.
Remember there are four wolves and they can use their numbers unlike we can... so even if this backfires they still have a chance if enough of us stray and they can blend in. And if you lynch me, then I require you others find out if Zil (the happy first voter) is actually the Acolyte and what does he think killing us...
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Have it your own way, Legate. Can you actually give a valid reason not to believe Eönwë, at least for now? Yes, it's possible he could be a bluffing Spy. Is it likely? No. He'd have no chance of surviving toMorrow. Why would the Spies make a sacrifice like that if they don't have to?
It makes sense that, having dreamt and then accused Nog, he might now be fearful of being lynched. People have talked about voting for him. Or, if he survives the Day, killed at Night (assuming Nog is indeed evil). So for me this has a ring of truth. If I'm being fooled, it's repworthy, and I'll take my hat off to Steve. x/d with [B]Nog/B]
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You killed Eruhen. How about that for starters?
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When I say I am going to sleep...
...I instead go and check Steve's posts. Okay, reevaluating. I went through Eönwë's posts of toDay plus his list from the Day before, and it is true he in fact does start speaking about Nog straightaway from the beginning of toDay (where he is merely uncertain the Day before). It would also make sense to dream of Nog if he was unsure of him, it's a good pick: a vocal player, with good record, etc etc, a good pick in general. Eönwë was going after Nog toDay from the start and very strongly, and we've been all wondering (or at least I was, and some others too, I believe) about why he was using such a strong, confident language. As if he knew. Well, indeed - maybe he knew. So in fact, after seeing all this, I am for giving Eönwë a shot. I mean, not a shot in the head, but not lynching him, at least. Even protecting him, I suggest to the Ranger. We should not have that much to lose, after all. The only question is then whether to trust and try (i.e. lynch Nog) or do something else. But I can sleep on that first. (Where that case puts Zil is a different thing, but I am not going to rack my brain anymore. This time I am REALLY going to sleep.) EDIT: x-ed since my last. Good night.
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Isn't that a bit strong words?
GOING. TO. SLEEP.
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It's notable how strongly Nog and Legate are reacting due to one person (italics for Lommy
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If you lynch me toDay (and Night-kills happen), it is 10 people toMorrow. With the aid of the Acolyte (looking at the way you post Zil I'm pretty sure you are it, and you align yourself to evil, that looks like granted now, if not earlier) that means 5-5. So even if there is a double lynch toMorrow (the goodie candidate vs. the baddie candidate - which requires all the goodies to hold together!) it will end up with 5-5 votes. And then the baddies devour the rest as the number of them is equal. Or even if the Acolyte is not counted there and then, it's easy to see how they will force the win with ease the next Night - fex. by openly revealing themselves to each other during the Day so as not to make mistakes.
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You're taking an awful lot for granted, Nog.
1. That I'm the Acolyte. 2. That the Acolyte is evil, or will choose to become so. You have no proof of either of those things. How do you know the score on the Acolyte? We have hints in the narration, but nothing further. Your reaction to Eönwë's reveal is telling. If you're killed and not evil, then the village gets Eönwë, a Spy. Then they can kill me, if they wish.
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Oh my. I'm not sure if this is enough for me to want to cast a vote for Nog, because his defense behind his actions yesterday look good. And I do recall an innocent Nog being just as "paranoid/everyone is conspiring against me," but really these half-hearted accusations against anyone saying something against him looks bad. It just looks like "I'm going to sling every kind of mud I have up my sleeve at anyone stating suspicion against me and see which mud sticks." Edit: crossed with everyone since Pom's vote for Legate...woah...looks like something major happened. Edit 2: and seer revelation...that would explain it.
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Also, I trust the reveal enough to go ahead with a Nog-lynch, so: ++Nog
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I'll make it once more so that you see where we are... (and then I need to go to sleep vacation or not)
We are 13 people now. 13 4 wolves 1 acolyte (who kills at Night, seemingly allied to the baddies, killed Eruhen) 8 innocents (including a ranger and a seer) If you lynch me and the wolves kill someone, and the Acolyte continues the bloody path correctly to his evil aims, the tally toMorrow will be: 10 people on Day3 10 4 wolves 1 Acolyte (Zil) 5 innocents If the baddies then reveal themselves to each other, it's game over as they can organize a 5-5 vote leading it as 4-4 into the Night and game over - or if evenone innocetn votes wrong they will jump on it and end it already toMorrow. ~*~ And even if a minor detail goes wrong they can afford it. And on the other thought, it is possible that after G55's, Boro's and Eönwë's pre-decided effort seemed to fail (I have not seen the guys to answer my question about their accusations), Eönwë felt too much pressure (for a good reason as I think most everyone - other than the wolves - were thinking he was making himself more suspicious than me with his "case"), so he decided to go for a fake reveal without the counsel of the others... But whichever way it is as to why Eönwë made his fake reveal, they have chances to win easily if you lynch me toDay. And the real seer should really think about this closely. We can't afford to lose an innocent in principle, but there sure are some chances (the Acolyte might not have a kill every Night, the ranger might save someone etc.). If we lynch Eönwë toDay, we're one wolf down, and you get one more dream (I'd suggest Boro or G55) while the ranger protects you. Then we'd have a second wolf, most likely. But you can of course come forwards and reveal the falsity of Eönwë - especially if you have other good news to bring. But up to you. Certainly. If you think you're safe and my death will help us, go that way and win it for us. EDIT: X'd with a lots... but it turned out just a few long ones.
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I'm about to go to bed, and won't be back before DL, but just a quick note.
I already was suspicious of Legate, for a combination of his actions yesterDay and toDay. In addition, I think his and Nog's reactions to Eönwë are a clear indicator of guilt. Come on. Can anyone give an innocent reason why a SeerSteve should reveal his dreamt ordo now? When he can easily survive the Night with a Ranger-protect? Negative. That looks really bad on Legate. Now Nog is fixated on me being the Acolyte. If I was, I doubt I could tell you. He's just trying to shift the focus from himself. Choose well, Servants of the South.
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So what I meant was, come forwards if you think it the best way of action (read my numbers closely) or stay hidden if you think that is the better route. Eönwë's reveal is known to be false toMorrow anyway whether you guys lynch me or him. So after that there should be no problems on that issue. Time might be scarce, though, if you pick it wrong. ++ Eönwë Good Night and Good Luck (will be back, but see no reason to not make my vote now)
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I see the focus is too much on me and I need to try and save the village on my own with a talking company construed of wolves and an Acolyte who kills us. But my first concern is getting the false seer revealed as what he is. That doesn't mean I think you should be forgotten. Like you say, it looks like you are told not to reveal... but looking at the attitude and the way you skipped some questions to you it's fairly certain you're the Acolyte. And you kill people. If you guys lynch me, remember this. Zil kills people. Now good night... back (hopefully) before the DL.
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For anyone who believes Eönwë is lying, I encourage you to vote for me over him. That is all.
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(I was just going to shut my computer down) So you are the acolyte. And your hands are tied. And you don't like it. I don't blame you for that. But how this comes as no surprise... Okay. If it is your task to kill people, and you want to get rid of that, let's do it then (sadly I used my vote already). After that it is just the goodies vs. the baddies with no random factor meddling with it, and the seer has an added chance. (Even if the worst scenario happens we lead by two toMorrow)
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And you know that how? (By "that" I mean that it was Zil) If everyone denied every accusation thrown at them the only thing we'd hear is "you're wrong, I'm innocent!" Nog's last post: And HOW DO YOU KNOW? If Inzil would rather him!ordo be lynched than Eonwe!Seer, well, that's a noble sacrifice. But since you've painted Eonwe evil, you'd have to paint Inzil evil too. It just doesn't make sense. No. Your whole scenario, that is. I have no regrets or second thoughts about voting you.
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Guys, I know I haven't said a great deal toDay... but please be forgiving. It's tomorrow here already, and I have school tomo...today, and you post faster than I can read. The most I can add to the Day's discussion is a brief list.
Lottie, Shasta, Sally: Undecided. Nog is a wolf. Legate is mighty suspicious. See my post above. Greenie sounds genuine. Lommy and Pitchie are questionmarks, juuuuuust leaning to the innocent side. Boro is dangerous, in the sense that while he sounds OK I've seen him pull off the craziest wolf victory with lots of trust (though paranioa towards the end ![]() Pom is probably the best-sounding at the moment. Zil sounds innocent, still. Steve is Seer. Get that wolf, village! ^^
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Legate: Chill. Out. For reasons that someone else pointed out, even if Steve is the real seer, it would be unwise for him to reveal his dreams at this time. ToMorrow, sure, but not toDay. It would just get his dreams killed. Get some sleep, love. I know it'll make sense to you in the morning.
Steve: If you're lying, I'm going to end you. Nog: Die, my pretty! Diiiiiiieeeeeeeee! Etc. Also, go to bed if you haven't already. <3 Considering that Nog is already on my top suspect list, I'm not at all hesitant to vote him. If I'm/we're wrong, I'll deal with it toMorrow (and also tomorrow). For now, however, I'm going with it, because Steve's reveal is in line with my own thoughts (and if he's lying, as previously mentioned, I can kill him, which is equally fun). ++Nog Or, as they say in Limerick.... It's time for Miss Sally to sleep So I must choose who not to keep So let us not worry If Nogrod is furry If not, upon Steve we will creep (Not at all my best, but I'm seriously falling asleep. I wish you all the best, and may we all be alive come morning.)
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I think it's my sleep time too. Not much more I think needs to be said about this, other than I'm amused by Nog's desperate pleas. Your scenario about the Acolyte being for the wolves is making so many assumptions. Assumptions that you can't possibly know/make, unless you are privy to info no one else is, and appear to be making up any possible cracked conspiracy theory to save yourself.
For anyone coming back to vote, seriously, read Nog's posts from #199 and on...I keep having the "he's throwing everything including the kitchen sink" feeling. ++Nogrod
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Note - for this game it's likely I'll only be active during the latter half of the Day, as Sally said - the DL is 6 am my time, so yeah.
In any case, I'll comment on the most recent happenings real fast before I go back and do a post-by-post commentary. Eonwe - Seer Nog - Wolf Inzil - Acolyte Seriously? Guys. Look at the Eruhen kill. It's pretty clear at this point that the Acolyte, if not a traditional werebear, at least has the power to kill by himself (I say him because Nog being a wolf doesn't mean his points about Inzil being the Acolyte aren't valid - I've thought so myself since yesterday, as did Rikae apparently). Nog is a wolf. Fine. Lynch him tomorrow. Lynching one wolf out of four isn't going to have any short-term effects - if we lynch Inzil (who clearly, at this point, doesn't have the best interests of the village in mind), we drop the number of kills per night to one. ++Inzil Also, Boro? Your most recent post? Looks exactly like Glirdywolf from the Alice in Wonderland game of Wilwa's - you know, the one where it turned out he really was a wolf who was that eager to bus a packmate. Not really helping your case there, buddy.
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++Nogrod And yeah, I forgot ask whether people think I should reveal the name of the innocent toMorrow (obviously not toDay, because there'd be nothing to gain from it at this point except for the wolves having someone to kill- tomorrow, another innocent voice might be nice to have, and I thought that was pretty obvious). Legate looks pretty bad to me, seeming determined to suspect me and calling for me to reveal innocents (Which as I said would be pointless, because now, while they could be killed, if I reveal, they will definitely be killed). Just wanted to put that out there. And I don't think it's wise to try a double-lynch for the acolyte when we don't even know what the role does yet.
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However, I didn't even consider a double-lynch idea. That would solve the conundrum quite nicely. Who's left to vote? Can we pull it off?
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Well, I encourage everyone to think about it quite hard. I'm going to bed - I can't keep my eyes open. Given my aberrant schedule, though, I may be back awake again before DL. We'll see.
Good luck in any case!
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Shady She-Penguin
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Ugh. My lecture starts in 50min an I'm still at Nog's so I can't write any novels and I Ion't be back before DL most likely (my lecture ends 15min before it).
So: I believe Steve, I see no reason for him to lie, although I was concerned about false reveals when I first thought of the acolyte. In the unlikely case he's bluffing, we lynch him toMorrow and either way we get a wolf either toDay or toMorrow. ++Nogrod Steve being the seer kind of explains his attack on him nicely, and lately monsieur Nog has not been making much sense. Hats off to fooling me very nicely, though, Noggie! Btw having had the same suspicious of Eönwë, not suspicious of Nog attitude as Legate I can relate with his initial disbelief of the seer reveal, but that he actually sticked to it after a few seconds of thinking is weird. I don't see why a wolf would not side with the seer though, arguing like this looks really foolhardy. Then again Legate was totally weird with his insistence about revealing the dreams etc... Brain hurts. Also when/if Nog turns out to be a wolf, Boro and Gal will look a lot better. Assuming I'm alive toMorrow means I will need to do a lot of rethinking. Until then!
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Shady She-Penguin
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Okay one more thing I forgot:
Why do so many people think Zil's the acolyte? Did I miss something? Also, Shasta, I very much doubt the acolyte can kill every Night, it would make this into very unbalanced game. ToMorrow I will need to think about Shasta's crazy double-lynch plan and what it makes him, but now I don't have the time, I should be leaving in 15min. Bye, folks!
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Just a note to all the people who have on the last page been talking about me not trusting Steve and pondering lynching him still the same day: Have you noticed that I have completely changed my mind on that?
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Anyway, aside from that, I am beginning to wonder about the fact that Shasta tends to propose some different people from the lynchees offered again. I mean, first Day, okay, and it was reasonable to follow; this could also be reasonable for its own reasons, but it is just really strange to stick to it so vehemently and urge the village to vote somebody else always... it is not the fact itself, it is rather who does it and that he does it repetitively and with such vehemence. That said, I am now pondering the possibility whether to vote Nog or to vote Zil myself also - the question being whether it isn't really good to keep Nog around if we think he *is* a Wolf and lynch Zil in order to get more info (right now though I am not sure what to think of Zil, his actions in some way make him look better on reevaluation, then again, there is no denying he still acted weirdly in this game). In case we do lynch Zil and in case he is innocent, then I would look at Shasta a bit more than before. Although I believe there are better priorities: if Zil is lynched and innocent, we should lynch Nog primarily still. BUT on second thought, no, really not - we should preferably try to vote for the same person in order to avoid a multiple lynch (or in the worst case, lynching the Seer along!!!!!!) - so in this light, Shasta's suggestion would really not look very good. I mean, we don't know how many WWs have voted already, but given that there are FOUR of them, they could still steer the lynch in the way that there will be a double-lynch, even lynching Steve! So we should try avoid making it a possibility. Therefore, I would rather urge all the innocents to vote just for one - and that would probably mean Nog. I am going to think about it still for a second, but I think it will be the best in the end. We will verify Steve's claim etc, so...
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
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What's the tally, by the way?
In any case, what I said - I think we should not split the votes anymore, or even give them the chance to be split. ++Nogrod
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Oops, that changes things quite a bit. I'm trusting Eönwë's dream - in part because it explains the single-minded, aggressive way he's gone after Nog toDay, but mostly because it would be suicide for him if Nog turned out innocent, and I know he's too clever for that.
That said, I don't see Legate's initial reluctance to fall out of his chair trusting Eönwë as suspicious, but rather a point in his favour. Has everybody forgotten that for all we know, the Acolyte may get dreams as well and, whether xe works with the wolves or on their own, is by all evidence not on our side? That's not saying Eönwë can't be our genuine seer, of course, but the possibility that he's something else should at least be considered - unless of course you know he's not the Acolyte; which makes me have worrisome thoughts about Zil's eagerness to accept his reveal. But whatever Eönwë is, it doesn't change the fact that he'd be mad to claim a false dream. Therefore, for toDay: ++Nog (EDIT: x-ed with two Legates)
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With the Acolyte, we are, it seems to me, operating also under the paranoid notion (supported by the mysterious Night narration) that Acolyte is something sinister and evil; maybe it is, but we can't know for sure. We might toDay also get the narration like "...and the Acolyte prevented a Wolf-lynch" or something (okay, this example in particular is unlikely, but might be e.g. the Acolyte can kill a person one Night, dream a person another Night, based on what allegiance he chooses or whatnot, and then do something with it... etc etc etc etc...) Or, what would be really brilliant role (but rather horrible) would be something like "Each Night, you dream of a person, you don't learn anything, you don't even assume its role in the strict sense, but the Mod determines randomly what you do based on the role of the person - e.g. you dream of Ranger, you randomly protect a person and it will be reflected in the narration. You dream of a Wolf, you push a random person - e.g. Eruhen - out of the window... now try to figure out for yourself how this system works and do about it what you will." Okay, that's sort of strange... but you at least probably get the general idea. It's just an idea, anyway. That said, I still don't believe the Acolyte kills every Night. (If at all, anyway.) Might also be that Acolyte has some special abilities and then has something like "By Day 3, you need to pick your allegiance - until then you can do whatever you wish, but after that, you cannot change it." (If that were so, I'd strongly urge the Acolyte to be a nice guy/girl and join the village.)
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You servants of evil: die!
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Deadline. No more posting.
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