Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves)

[Boromir88]

Azaelia if you are itchin' to get back into WW, I encourage you to join Mithalwen's WWJ that will hopefully be starting up soon. It'll be back to the original gaming.

[JennyHallu]

Yes! Please do! We are eager for more players!

[littlemanpoet]

I changed my mind. I disagree with double lynchings. I see no real problem with the game taking a few days longer. Thanks for your eloquence, Eomer; good reminder. .... signed, the most unbandersnatchy LMP.

[Formendacil]

Due to the fact that I thought the issue was settled (Nilp! What did I tell you about putting down your foot as Mod? You are Mod and they are not!), I have not yet weighed in on the Double Lynchings issue.

I say NO Double-Lynchings.

I do not like them, and I agree with Eomer as to most of my reasons why.

I find that Double-Lynchings being permitted are very prone to being used for orchestrated lynchings. I'm personally of the opinion that Single Lynchings are more truly indicative on later days for finding voting trends, and they are more enjoyable games.

Just my opinion, o' course.

[SamwiseGamgee]

Well, isn't this interesting? I go out on a limb and say no to double lynchings and before I know it everybody agrees with me? I've started a bandwagon, and that's very suspicious!

++ SamwiseGamgee

Oh, wait a moment... can't do that! But the real point: when will the game start? I haven't been able to find the date, but I imagine that's entirely my fault because I just didn't look.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I believe it starts on Tuesday.

[SamwiseGamgee]

Thankee, kind sir!

[Garin]

Long time, No Garin.
I had to make an excellent spinach-artichoke dip for a 'baby shower' yesterday and then had to attend said baby shower. If you could just see the looks on the face of the men...

Great time

Okay.

1) No double lynchings

2) I said I didn't care but 5:30 if I must vote....

3) I will be the town surgeon/barber

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

I thought the decision of double lynchings was already made:

Originally Posted by Nilp

~ Double-lynchings are back in (due to village size; this might take long if I don't.) Triple-lynches and higher are not.

At first I didn't want to have the double lynchings either. I agree with Eomer about them, but let's face it: this village is huge. With 22 players the game might take almost three weeks if the villagers are killed just one by one, and it is quite a commitment to moderate such a big game. It should be up to Nilp to decide whether he allows double lynchings or not because he's the one who needs to get online punctually, write death scenes and manage the game from the beginning till the end for nearly three weeks.

[Lalaith]

Exactly. My concern is that it is hard for anyone without the gift of foresight to be able to commit to such a long period of time without RL jeopardising their ability to play.
It is always annoying when players have to absent themselves, even through unforeseen circumstances, and I fear a very long game might be riddled with such absences.
Eg I was originally told the game would last a fortnight, which is fine, but without double lynchings this game could run on for well over three weeks...I'm going on holiday on April 4 and I hope the game would be over by then, but there may be others with similar concerns, what with it being Easter break...

[Garin]

but without double lynchings this game could run on for well over three weeks...

I disagree but I have a rather consistent lynch potential, this is why Nilp should add the cursed or the werebear.

I say more roles should trump double lynches.

I know 'tis more work for Modilp but I must quote a classic movie:

Shanna, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash

[Garin]

I thought the decision of double lynchings was already made

I realized that but I wanted to add discourse to the the WW community and haven't been able to in the past few days so, being a relentless windbag, I though I'd opine on the discussion.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Spawn

I thought the decision of double lynchings was already made...

In post # 2412 Nilpaurion said double lynchings are in. However, votes were requested, and therefore some of us voted ... late. Quite a few of us have apparently thus registered our preference for no double lynchings; despite that, Nilpaurion still has not changed his ruling; therefore, as things now stand (unless Nilpaurion changes his mind), there will be double lynchings.

That said, I think that the points made against double lynchings make a lot of sense in terms of a good game, and I like Garin's idea a lot that adding a werebear to the mix would effectively and more naturally shorten the game than allowing double lynchings.

That said,() until and if Nilpaurion changes his mind, there are going to be double lynchings.

[Caranlondien]

While I have no experience in the matter, I have been convinced by the various arguments made against double lynchings.

As for a profession, has lumberjack been taken?

[Garin]

littlemanpoet (wb by the way, sir) : I like Garin's idea a lot that adding a werebear to the mix would effectively and more naturally shorten the game than allowing double lynchings.

I am weeping openly for all to see..

I think this is first time anyone has agreed with me.

I need to breathe into a paper bag, now.

By the way, what is the best thread to discuss the homicide/suicide that took place at my apartment complex?

This will be a great game because I am officially 'bonkers.'

I'll go now.


I won't drop out because I think that I am destined to be in a Nilp-modded game. This will be a great game and I can't wait to be lynched in the 2nd round.

Did I mention that it was a son that gunned down his mother? It is like the 80s movie "Pretty in Pink" but with more gore.

When I show an aversion to lynching/killing people you will understand.


Anyways, let the games begin.

[Naria]

In post # 2412 Nilpaurion said double lynchings are in. However, votes were requested, and therefore some of us voted ... late.

Lmp, are you talking about voting for or against double lyching? In this post of Nilp's I don't see a reference made for voting on the double lynching. I may be a bit confused, so just to clarify, was the vote not for roles like Ranger, Hunter and others, also for a start time?

Another thing, what is a Werebear and how does that role work? I have heard of that role, but have yet to play in a game with one.

And one other thing....Has anyone seen or heard from our Prophet?!

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Garin

I am weeping openly for all to see... By the way, what is the best thread to discuss the homicide/suicide that took place at my apartment complex?

I'm sorry for your distress, Garin. Glad you're happy with my agreement, although that may be a double-edged sword around here .

To answer your question, try
That good night: gift or punishment? - rather poignant at times. It may be of some aid to you in the difficulties you describe.

[SamwiseGamgee]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! No werebear! I've been converted to the no camp! Sure, it'd be great fun to be the werebear, but I really do think it ruins the spirit of the game, and as a villager in a werebear village I can tell you it's horrible! So that's all you need to know Naria! Also, not sure I got this right, but if you put a werebear AND disallow mass lynching you virtually hand the game to the werecreatures, most likely the bear. Anyway, it's up to Nilp, but I think I know which way it'll go.

[Celuien]

Don't want the Werebear. I think there are already enough teams in the village without adding another Werecreature.

I don't mind double lynchings, but vote against anything larger than doubles due to concerns over the previously mentioned lynch all male/female players at once strategy.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Azaelia if you are itchin' to get back into WW, I encourage you to join Mithalwen's WWJ that will hopefully be starting up soon. It'll be back to the original gaming.

OOO, Good idea, since it looks as though there is no room for me here A back-to-the basics game looks like fun! *hurries over to sign self up*

[tar-ancalime]

No Bear. Good heavens! We've already got two separate teams whose goal is to kill everyone!

Also, as I've said before, adding any other "wild card" elements (like the Cursed) will diminish our ability to judge how well the Lovers element works.

I'm with Celuien on lynching. The reason I don't like games that disallow double lynchings is that, in my experience, single-lynch-only games can lead to more careless voting. It effectively means that the moderator will eliminate the consequences for people who couldn't be bothered to check the vote count before voting. Oops! Caused a tie? Didn't bother to vote when you could have broken a tie? No worries, the moderator will clean it up for you. And it goes without saying that these are prime wolf-vote hidey holes: "But I didn't know there was a tie!" Spare me.

Now, there is another problem that Celuien brings up, though: the orchestrated mass lynching. This is something that I think is against the spirit of the game--we could indeed eliminate the lovers by lynching all of one gender, but that's like catching dolpins in your tuna nets. So I think I'm in agreement with Celuien that double lynchings should be allowed, but triples and higher should not be.

Those of us who don't like to use double lynchings (and I'm one of them, btw) should campaign against them DURING THE GAME; but the rules shouldn't be set up to save the day from careless voting.

All of this is sort of a general rant, though--I am happy to play no matter what the lynch rule is. I guess I'll have to mod a game myself someday and set the rules just the way I like them.

This is going to be a very long game, though, as Lalaith says. I am a little concerned about that, but we'll just have to let it play out.

[littlemanpoet]

Hey, it's not my mod anyway. So there ain't gonna be a werebear 'cuz Nilp said no. I see the point against it anyway in a Lovers game. And I agree with no mass lynchings. Spirit of the game and all that. I think Naria's query in my direction got answered, so I'll shut up now.

[Naria]

Sure, it'd be great fun to be the werebear, but I really do think it ruins the spirit of the game, and as a villager in a werebear village I can tell you it's horrible! So that's all you need to know Naria!

Thanks Swg, good enough for me!

I think Naria's query in my direction got answered, so I'll shut up now.

No no, don't shut up just yet....one question was not answered. Where is Nilp?!

A new question: Does anyone know what time the game starts on Tuesday?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Apparently, 'Vous ne pouvez pas passer' was meant for me.

Enedwaith, here are the final decisions.

~ YES Double lynchings, for fears of a trés long game (I wouldn't mind two weeks, but three? )

~ NO Ranger and Hunter (sorry for flip-flop; lynch me if you want ), due to balance issues. (Four Werewolves with a traitor in their midst against two Seers, a Ranger, a Hunter, and a lot of innocent villagers? Tough!)

~ NO Werebear, obviously (this was my second option, but since Formendaga told me to put my foot down and not be swayed away from the Lovers-centric idea . . . )

~ DAY/NIGHT cycling time is 5:30am GMT.

NIGHT 1 will start tomorrow. I will be posting the game thread (with all the rules) later, I hope.

[Lhunardawen]

So this will be like the original Werewolf game, only there's an additional wolf, an additional Seer, an expanded village, and lovers thrown into the mix.

~ DAY/NIGHT cycling time is 5:30am GMT.

No, no, nooo!!!

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

~ DAY/NIGHT cycling time is 5:30am GMT.

I'm with Lhuna...

No, no, no, no!

Expect more than a few early votes from me, people...

~ NO Werebear, obviously (this was my second option, but since Formendaga told me to put my foot down and not be swayed away from the Lovers-centric idea . . . )

Oh yeah...

Okay, stick with your 5:30 times! Just don't expect me to like them.

[Lhunardawen]

Oh, yeah. You can expect way early votes from me, too. Like three hours into the game, more often than not.

[Thinlómien]

Early votes from me also. From almost 10 hours before the closing time to about three hours before the voting time...

[Lalaith]

Ditto...except it'll be five hours before closing at the latest.

[Glirdan]

My voting for the next week or so should all be shortly before closing time. After that, it's going to vary.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It won't matter if most of the votes are early, because most of the discussion will be early too. Ipso, facto.

The Werebear... *shudders* If that had been introduced I would have walked.

Anyway, hoom, hroom....time to get into character.

Here's hoping for a good game everyone!

[Thinlómien]

I'm just checking, but isn't the game beginning about twelve hours from now?

[SamwiseGamgee]

Correcto mondo, Thinlómien. Oooh, I can hardly wait. It'll be an early rise for me in the morrow!

[Lalaith]

em...has anyone had their roles yet?

[SamwiseGamgee]

Well I can't speak for everyone, but I haven't had. I wouldn't worry, though, plenty time left for Nilp. We could get the PMs at 5am, remember, so no need to worry.

[Thinlómien]

Thanks, Samwise.

Plenty of time indeed...

But I trust Nilp to do it in time. Though I'm really excited. I would like to know my role soon.

[Gurthang]

I haven't recieved a role yet, either...

The game should start(if I calculate correctly) 12 hours and 54 minutes from whatever time is listed for this post. So he has that long before he's late.

[Thinlómien]

Twelve hours and 54 minutes? Eleven hours and 54 minutes, if the time is 5:30 AM. Right?

And as anyone hasn't yet got the roles, I think Nilp hasn't just posted them yet. Don't worry, Thangy.

[Gurthang]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Twelve hours and 54 minutes? Eleven hours and 54 minutes, if the time is 5:30 AM. Right?

And as anyone hasn't yet got the roles, I think Nilp hasn't just posted them yet. Don't worry, Thangy.

I thought it was twelve... let's see: I'm GMT - 6, so that should be 11:30 pm (right? I'm no good with international time. ). My post time reads 10:36am. Add 54 minutes makes 11:30am, twelve hours before start time. Well, I don't know that it really matters. I'm pretty sure that when it starts, I'll find out for sure what time it is for me. Makes it easy that way.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Gurthang

I thought it was twelve... let's see: I'm GMT - 6, so that should be 11:30 pm (right? I'm no good with international time. ). My post time reads 10:36am. Add 54 minutes makes 11:30am, twelve hours before start time. Well, I don't know that it really matters. I'm pretty sure that when it starts, I'll find out for sure what time it is for me. Makes it easy that way.

Hmm... I think I was counting my time as GMT... So I think we all were wrong since since I'm GMT +2 and the game begins a bit more than 12 hours and 30 minutes from now. Or actually, then you were correct... Argh. This makes me confused. Anyway, I will be sleeping when the game starts, so I don't have to worry about the time so exactly.