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08-13-2009, 10:14 AM | #201 | |
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It seems to me that the only folks who would be irritated about this fact being pointed out would be the Cobbler and Villains. So I'd let the issue go if you don't want to attract attention of that sort.
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08-13-2009, 10:19 AM | #203 |
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08-13-2009, 10:19 AM | #204 | |
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seeking Mod clarification...
Boro- was I accurate when I said this?
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08-13-2009, 10:22 AM | #205 | |
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08-13-2009, 10:24 AM | #206 |
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Good... um... can we talk about something un-bear-related? Please?
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08-13-2009, 10:25 AM | #207 |
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I think what Hakon was saying is that if something happened like the seer revealed the werebear, then perhaps we could leave him alive to either have him kill a wolf or have the wolves waste their kill on him (as they may be worried that he will kill one of them) come Night. Then we can spend the Day hunting a wolf instead. I don't know if it's an idea I'd go for, but it's not stupid. We can't expect the bear to listen to us, even if exposed, so it'd be all about luck. If the bear killed a wolf, it be more likely he did without intentionally trying, and the wolves would probably only waste a kill on the bear if their numbers were down or they had a reason to think the bear would pick one of them as his kill.
I think you all are being rather harsh on Hakon. While he hasn't caught on as quickly as some newbies, I don't think he's intentionally trying to be confusing or irritating; he probably really just doesn't understand all the rules. And while that doesn't mean he's necessarily innocent, not understanding something is no reason to attack someone. I know for some old-timers this confusion can get irritating, but you should give everyone a chance to learn. Let's not drive our newbies away from this site, okay?
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08-13-2009, 10:27 AM | #208 |
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Yes I did mean for the surveys to be a part of the discussion...hence why I asked for them. Anything goes, I will say though that you're playing a dangerous guessing game. To try and figure out my rationale for anything is insane. Plus to point out some was complete random drawing, and need I remind you there is another mod, who had a hand in the situation too. So, best of luck to you in figuring it out. Figured it'd be a good Day 1 thing. Although, there are probably more beneficial ways to figure out the roles than trying to read my mind (and wilwa's)
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08-13-2009, 10:28 AM | #209 |
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Phantom, I think I see what you might trying to do innocently, but it seems like you're more likely to mislead innocents than to bend the bear to your will, and now that you're trying to cast suspicion on those who doubt you, you're starting to seem less trustworthy.
The bear also needs to reduce the number of villagers - more than the wolves do, even. I've played as a werebear and it's quite clear, in that position, that winning by picking the villagers off one by one is a much harder task. I don't think it's possible to fool the bear as you seem to be trying to do (or trying to look like you're trying) - the bear will certainly judge how likely xe is to be killed by the wolves at any given time and act accordingly, but xe wants to get our numbers down. If anything, the bear has less flexibility than the wolves do, and certainly no motivation to help the village. As for the Dark Monarch being the evil we're up against, the bear is evil too, so there. :P If Boro chose the roles according to who trusted whom, wouldn't discussing our surveys be equivalent to discussing how personal relationships or past games may have influenced the mod's role choices in another game? Unless Boro says it's open for discussion, I consider it off limits. EDIT: X'd with two Nerwens, a Brinn and a Boro. |
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08-13-2009, 10:32 AM | #211 | |
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08-13-2009, 10:33 AM | #213 |
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I still have to wonder what we can gain from that. Seems a waste of time when the baddies can just make up whatever they like.
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Wow, I seemed to have replied a lot to Hakon. As far as all the bear stuff is concerned I'm of the opinion that the bear can be inadvertently helpful and kill a wolf or the cobbler but they can also be dangerous and kill the Ranger or Seer. I tend to treat a bear as a wolf.
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08-13-2009, 10:37 AM | #216 |
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Oh my bad for the confusion. Discussion of their purpose is ok, and is encouraged. Posting individual answers is not. That I will do afterwards and it will be anonymous
I seriously wouldn't even be able to tell you who voted for who as I just marked down the numbers
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08-13-2009, 10:40 AM | #217 |
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Wrong, Rikae. I'm not trying to trick the Bear. You're right that the Bear also likes the extra Night kill, but there are three Villains to provide it, and thus it is rather safe to gun for them. You only need one Villain alive to provide the extra kill, and so the Bear won't kill the last Villain I agree, but any Villain before that is fair game. And the Cobbler especially, as he does not even provide a kill but is simply a villager guaranteed to side with the Villains. The Bear should definitely consider slaughtering an obvious Cobbler.
Your resistance to these facts is puzzling. Even if it were true that I was attempting to trick the Bear into helping us, is that a bad thing that you would need to point out?! Seriously.... Every time you try and fight this idea you look very suspicious to me, as if you're a Wolf saying, "No, no, don't gun for us!" or the Cobbler saying, "No, don't kill my masters!" I have done nothing but state fact. Stop trying to make it sound otherwise. Firstly, what I'm saying is correct. Second, even if it wasn't, it's obviously to the benefit of the village, so opposing it is ridiculous.
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08-13-2009, 10:51 AM | #221 |
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Erm....okie dokie then. Whatever butters your toast.
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08-13-2009, 10:56 AM | #223 |
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The next person to promote/continue the bear discussion (who doesn't cross with me) is getting my vote. I may or may not be kidding.
Going to tidy myself and a few things about the house. Enjoy.
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Generally discussing them is awesome, like would I chose a trusting person for _________? And of course you may say whatever people you may trust or don't trust, or whatever you feel about a person. I think part of the confusion was the "posting" of them...which is why I referred that Mac had it as far as actually posting the survey and your answers. Basically, I think you are more or less correct tp. You may talk about whoever you trust or don't or fear or whoever as much as you want to. That typically happens in most games anyway. But the actual posting of your answers...no, no that I will do anonymously at the end o the game.
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Thank you for the clarification, oh modly one. We shall strive to act accordingly.
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08-13-2009, 11:03 AM | #226 |
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08-13-2009, 11:05 AM | #227 |
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Yes'm!
*salutes* Oi, why should the people listen to you?!
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08-13-2009, 11:05 AM | #228 |
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So bringing the discussion from the topic that has been beaten to death to this new one: surveys what do people think about them?
There is the idea that the people we trusted were made the wolves, which would be devious. But that is possibly too obvious. Then everyone would just say who they trusted and be done with it and vote for them. I'm of the mind that one of the people we trusted most is a gifted, another is a wolf, and possibly a third is the bear. But that is just my guess.
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Back and reading.
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08-13-2009, 11:07 AM | #231 |
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08-13-2009, 11:09 AM | #232 |
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More to phantom, and Sally can vote for me if she likes
In theory and on the surface, yeah, you can say that if you were able to convince the bear to gun for the wolves more, that would be a good thing. But the thing is, it's a crazy thing - just about as crazy as Nerwen's "please kill each other" joke - so much so that all it accomplishes is to derail discussion into the totally useless - and I admit, you've made me waste my energy with the useless for half the day as well. If that was your plan, nicely done. The thing that makes me suspicious, though is that you should know better. I've seen you in action before, and I've seen you trick baddies. You didn't do it by pretending to give them advice (why should they take your advice?) either. I think you know perfectly well that attempting to make the bear into an ally is pointless, and that's why I find you suspicious and why it absolutely has to be pointed out - and if you want to suspect me in return, that's just fine. |
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Yeah, because that's not awkward.
Really going now. Back in a bit, and there best not be any more discussion about the you know whats or the you know who, or heads are gonna roll.... EDIT: x'd with ++Rikae
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08-13-2009, 11:10 AM | #234 |
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If I answered I would only be rehashing the same exact things again. Whatever. Think what you wish. In the meantime, surveys! I said I could read everyone. And then I said I was kidding, and that generally people I've played with before always give me a reading. Not that it is correct, but they at least make me feel one thing or another. I listed a few of them. I also said that Fea, Nerwen, and Rikae probably made my thoughts swing back and forth the most between guilty and innocent. For players I fear- I gave the names of an entire group of players. A cookie for anyone who guesses which group. When making a plea for their life last-minute, I can't remember exactly who made the cut, but I seem to recall stating that I'd trust morm, Mac, Brin, Shasta, and Lommy in such a situation. But naturally that would change if I'm not liking them.
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08-13-2009, 11:11 AM | #235 |
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The Rudolph contingent?
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08-13-2009, 11:12 AM | #236 |
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last thing before I shut up for the day....
For I am powerful, scary and have big wings!!! And I quoted Monty Python!
Now get back to your futile attempts at defeating me!!!
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For players I trust I think I had said Mac and Shasta. For players I distrust I think I had said Nessa and Inziladun.
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Did....really?
*headdesks* Oh, and Wilwa? Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni!
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Therefore there is no reason for you to have ever contested my claims (or Hakon's). It serves only to create a pointless discussion. If in your opinion my statements were flawed, they certainly weren't hurting anyone were they, so why do you feel the need to debate it and try to prove some sort of point? There is no point to prove here. Nothing can possibly be gained from supporting your viewpoint, but something can be gained from supporting mine, whether it's flawed or not. This "useless" discussion has only happened because you and others felt the need to pick apart a plan that would be beneficial if adopted, and doesn't hurt anyone. I'm baffled as to why anyone is still talking about this.
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