WWJ III - Nan Qualinmerë: Death Wish Valley

[Anguirel]

Accuse Garin by all means Kath-for I intend to myself, I think increasingly-but don't do it on such specious grounds. It's clear that was a simple mistake, whether due to carelessness, madness, blindness or some kind of error, but I highly doubt, in this instance, wolvery. What's wolvish about making a total fool of yourself?

[Garin]

Garin, I'm not dead, and I haven't dreamt of anyone.

Sorry, Roa I have little time and my parchments are in disarray. I would be more exact if our dear mods hadn't posted hours late.

[Roa_Aoife]

Dear Kath, and any other potential accusers, I ask you to look at post #161 for my defence.

As for putting me in league with Garin, I am going to vote for our carpenter unless a much better defence is given. You're on thin ice, Garin. I suggest trying a little harder.

[Kath]

My apologies Anguirel, but such slips have proved to be useful before.

And Garin, please don't blame the mods for your slip ups! The lateness of their posting actually means the list is closer to you now.

[Garin]

I still suspect Ang, but his vote for a lycan makes me think him as innocent. Kill me , if you must, but I'll never behave as that idiot Shelob who voted for herself while being innocent. As I said...Disservice.... to the village.

[Roa_Aoife]

That was rude and more than a bit out of line, Garin. What we mistook for the desperation of a wolf trying to stay hidden was really the frustration of someone who knows she is telling the truth and isn't being listened to. Calling her a name for any reason is simply unacceptable.

I must be going for awhile. I need to attend my potions.

[Garin]

Kath, I love you but you have been behaving oddly.
You have yet to defend yourself against those who wish you dead.
So to get things going...
++Kath

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

That was rude and more than a bit out of line, Garin. What we mistook for the desperation of a wolf trying to stay hidden was really the frustration of someone who knows she is telling the truth and isn't being listened to. Calling her a name for any reason is simply unacceptable.

We should also take into account that she almost certainly had the backing of the Seer, and what's worse, being extremely astute, probably knew she did. It must have been an almost insuperable temptation not to call tar-ancalime out as a Seer and save herself. Better, in a way, if she had done-we would still have a Hunter and a proven innocent as well. But in any case, she died for the village.

She was a soldier of Mejis. Honour her.

[Garin]

Roa: That was rude and more than a bit out of line, Garin. What we mistook for the desperation of a wolf trying to stay hidden was really the frustration of someone who knows she is telling the truth and isn't being listened to.

Any innocent who puts themself upon the slab deserves to die and is an IDIOT. Suicide is a sensitive subject with me and I shall not elaborate.

[Anguirel]

(Garin, if you're speaking from IRL, me too, but it's really considered rather bad form to refer to that sort of thing to further your interests in a game...)

[Kath]

Garin, how exactly have I been behaving oddly? There is no point in mounting a huge defence because all I can say is 'I am innocent'. I have no way to prove it (other than my death which I would prefer not to happen) and anything else just gains you suspicion because you look so defensive. I don't mind people suspecting me, it gives me some protection from the wolves. Unless I was in danger of being lynched it isn't a problem.

[Garin]

Kath you haven't defended yourself against votes against you. You seem more defensive by the day. You haven't said much and all I ask of you is to say more. I hope you are innocent but want to hear more.

[Garin]

Ang: = (Garin, if you're speaking from IRL, me too, but it's really considered rather bad form to refer to that sort of thing to further your interests in a game...)

Agreed.

[Anguirel]

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone, as the actress said to the villager.

++GARIN

[Valier]

Holy Cow!! two gifted in one night! that really sucks I thought I would just check in.....I'll read over the posts and try to make some sense out of them...

[Valier]

HHHmmmm I just noticed that Gandalf has only made three posts so far....And Wayne only four.
I'm not saying that's overly suspisious but......with all that's been happening I would like to hear a bit more from both of them,so I can get a grasp on where they stand.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Ok, Garin's got my vote tonight and seems to me, to be almost certainly a wolf.

Now, let's not waste anymore time arguing about him. We still have another wolf to catch and we shouldn't squander our time.

I'm not saying that's overly suspisious but......with all that's been happening I would like to hear a bit more from both of them,so I can get a grasp on where they stand.

Wouldn't we all... But Wayne has yet to say a lot in any game he's played in, so don't hold your breath. I've never played with Gandalf before so I've no idea what he's up to.

And now for something completely different... (speaking of which, my dear Tar, I never got a chance to mention how awesome it was that you used that quote in the game...I guess now you'll never know.)

Humphh...I've been re-reading Garin's old posts to see who else he mentions that could give some clue as to who his fellow wolf is. And there is one player that is continually cropping up, in fact, he also voted for her today, and that is Kath. (I know, I know, he mentioned me a few times as well, but since I know I'm innocent I can't really do anything about that, can I?) Now, I had Kath down as an innocent up until my re-reads. So, I'm off to re-read her posts. I thought I'd just put this out there for the rest of you to look at and see if you can see anything else suspicious about Kath's behaviour.

[Kath]

Abercrombie, I can see why your reading of Garin's posts would suggest that, but he's only had it in for me since yesterday before the lynching. Before that he focused almost solely on Anguirel, who he suddenly seems to have backed away from. I hope your reread shows that.

Garin. I say a lot when I'm here. Remember tortoise herding is a slow job No seriously, I only have certain times when I have enough time available to me to come here and really join in. I could leave odd useless posts throughout the day but I prefer to make my contribution meaningful, which means I like to leave it until I have time to reply to any queries and really look at what's been going on.

Now, Abercrombie I agree, we do need to look for another wolf. If you decide it isn't me may I suggest we do look at Gandalf and Wayne because they really have barely been here and it may be that that's a perfect cover for a wolf because, with Wayne especially, we attribute it to merely being normal. Usually I would now say I'd go back and look at their posts, but there is barely anything to look at!

[Garin]

Valier: HHHmmmm I just noticed that Gandalf has only made three posts so far....And Wayne only four.
I'm not saying that's overly suspisious but......with all that's been happening I would like to hear a bit more from both of them,so I can get a grasp on where they stand.

Silent ones should be punished due to disinterest in the village. I will vote for Wayne, Gandalf, of Abercrombie before the day is over, Ang has said little except vote for me, but I do not see how a wolf can kill another as with Thin. Anguirel is either a masterful wolf or an innocent, doubtfully a gifted.

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Garin

I will vote for Wayne, Gandalf, of Abercrombie before the day is over

I don't get it why do you vote without much thought then change it later on?
Are you trying to confuse us villagers?Keep us from finding a pattern?

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Anguirel is either a masterful wolf or an innocent, doubtfully a gifted.

Very doubtful. All the gifteds are dead.

Abercrombie, I can see why your reading of Garin's posts would suggest that, but he's only had it in for me since yesterday before the lynching. Before that he focused almost solely on Anguirel, who he suddenly seems to have backed away from. I hope your reread shows that.

It does. However, I'm still posting this, not because I think it's particularly strong evidence, but because it's something to look at and keep in mind.

THE CASE AGAINST KATH

- Eonwe vote, she admits it is not really based in fact, but rather in spelling

- admits shock that Thin was a wolf, could be a double bluff

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Now I doubt that wolves would vote for one of their own on the first day so (by my reasoning)

Which, she didn't vote for a wolf ont he first day, she voted for an innocent.

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Garin - again very defensive. He has been consistent, voting for Anguirel on both days. This makes me think he might be innocent, as not many newbie wolves would stick so to their principles (at least in my opinion).

Weirdo reasoning anyone? This made me even more suspicious of him.

- Mentions me in passing. Just like Garin.

- vote for Wayne, after repeated suspicion of Shelob

- changes vote to Shelob

- is confused by Garin's continuing insistance of his suspicion of Shelob, points to her innocence, but perhaps since she knew that Shelob was innocent she was trying to not get caught by the whiplash (like today has produced against Garin)

- Garin says this about Kath,

You've just been acting strange

and has repeated it since. I'm not sure if it means anything at all.

- Is one of the first today to be forcibly suspicious of Garin (this points to her innocence again), but it could of course be a double bluff, knowing that Garin was undoubtedly going to be lynched today.

- points to Roa

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Garin, how exactly have I been behaving oddly? There is no point in mounting a huge defence because all I can say is 'I am innocent'. I have no way to prove it (other than my death which I would prefer not to happen) and anything else just gains you suspicion because you look so defensive. I don't mind people suspecting me, it gives me some protection from the wolves. Unless I was in danger of being lynched it isn't a problem.

Maybe, maybe not...Innocent or no?

So, overall, I can't find any dead-set evidence against Kath, but nor can I label her "complete innocent." I'm usre that most of my evidence is just me grasping at straws, trying to come up with something. I just wanted to put it out there for the village to digest. I'm certainly not suggesting that we lynch her tomorrow, but just remember her... I sincerely hope that tonight's death shows us some evidence.

Oh, and I might as well vote now, because there's pretty much no way I'm not voting for Garin:

++GARIN

[Garin]

Abercrombie:

Ok, Garin's got my vote tonight and seems to me, to be almost certainly a wolf.
Now, let's not waste anymore time arguing about him. We still have another wolf to catch and we shouldn't squander our time.

Serious mistake and this is why I maintain my suspicion of you. I will cast my vote tonight, retractable of course, for ....
--Kath ++Abercrombie
On this day the only people who can say for certain that people are wolves, are indeed wolves. If/When I die an innocent please take this notion to heart.
Edit:I neglected to retract my Kath vote.

[Kath]

Silent ones should be punished due to disinterest in the village.

Now Garin I agree that silence is unhelpful but I'm not sure you can call it disinterest. It may well be a ploy simply to remain undetected or there could be other reasons we are not aware of or timezones. Please don't be quite so hasty to judge. I'm not defending silence as it irritates me too but even so.

Then you say that you'll vote for Wayne, Gandalf or Abercrombie. Have you forgotten that you've already voted for me? And why the sudden dropping of all suspicion against me since you were so sure earlier?

Finally, I wouldn't call Abercrombie quiet! Have you another reason for suspecting her?

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Oh, and all of the above can only be taken as truthful, when we know for certain that Garin is a wolf.

[Kath]

Oh and Abercrombie - that first quote you have wasn't from me, I believe it was from Garin. Nice case though! But right now I would be seriously worried if I was working with Garin.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Originally Posted by Garin

Abercrombie:
Serious mistake and this is why I maintain my suspicion of you. I will cast my vote tonight, retractable of course, for ....
++Abercrombie
On this day the only people who can say for certain that people are wolves, are indeed wolves. If/When I die an innocent please take this notion to heart.

Garin, I have no doubt that most of the village will vote for you. You've acted completely and ridiculously suspicious today. There is just too much evidence against you. Would you like me to explain it?

(Oh and if I'm stepping on anyone's toes, because they think that Garin isn't the most suspicious today, my apologies.)

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Originally Posted by Kath

Oh and Abercrombie - that first quote you have wasn't from me, I believe it was from Garin. Nice case though! But right now I would be seriously worried if I was working with Garin.

Jes, I know, I was just responding to him. Sorry I should've made that clearer.

[AbercrombieOfRohan]

Oh, and I might as well vote now, because there's pretty much no way I'm not voting for Garin:

++GARIN

Whoops, I forgot that day wasn't ending soon! I'm sorry for the rash vote. Well, I suppose it's not all that rash, but still, I wish I'd held out a little longer, in case anything new comes to light. I guess I probably would've voted for him anyways...

[Roa_Aoife]

Garin, it seems fairly obvious that you'll be lynched by the end of this day, but your defense is disjointed and messy. You seem to not be paying very close attention, and were I in your position, I would on this thread like white on rice. Just to check, is something distracting you today? It seems terribly unfair for your chances to be ruined by a bad day. Whatever it is, you might want to pay a bit closer attention to who's posting what and when.

[Kath]

Jes, I know, I was just responding to him. Sorry I should've made that clearer.
Ah ok, thanks for that.

[Roa_Aoife]

I should think that anyone blatantly attacked by Garin, whom we're pretty certain is a wolf, is less suspicious than those he hasn't attacked. Who hasn't Garin drawn attention to?

I'm going to go back through and see what I can gather.

[Garin]

Roa: Garin, it seems fairly obvious that you'll be lynched by the end of this day, but your defense is disjointed and messy. You seem to not be paying very close attention, and were I in your position, I would on this thread like white on rice. Just to check, is something distracting you today?

Yes I am ill and at work and they recognize the Barrow Downs Page at work so my time for review is limited. I hope you do lynch me so you can find the wolf among my detractors.
However, I will never vote for myself.
I have retracted the Kath vote and voted for Aber. No one has given me a good enough reason for Wayne and Gandalf.

[Kath]

I have retracted the Kath vote and voted for Aber.

Yeah but you still haven't explained why you've suddenly stopped going after me. I mean, Abercrombie even gave you a full list of things I've said that could be taken wolvishly. What's up with that?

[Garin]

Roa: I should think that anyone blatantly attacked by Garin, whom we're pretty certain is a wolf,

Again, only wolves are truly certain at this point, the others can only guess. The seer is gone.

[Kath]

Yes Garin, which is presumably why she said pretty certain. Any chance I'm going to get an answer to that question tonight?

[Garin]

Yeah but you still haven't explained why you've suddenly stopped going after me. I mean, Abercrombie even gave you a full list of things I've said that could be taken wolvishly. What's up with that?

I am an innocent yet my personality will always be wolfish. It is an easy vote for a wolf to make without being suspected. I think either Ang or Aber or wolves, or even Roan, or Wayne or Kath...
See, it would be idiotic to say for sure who is a wolf but some have dared to do so.

[Roa_Aoife]

Here's an interesting pattern I found- Wayne posted a list of people he was suspicious of after Thin was lynched. Garin is the lowest name before his own. Also, Garin has on more than one ocassion demanded explanation for any votes for Wayne.

Now, when we're closely viewing Garin, Wayne is nowhere to be found, and Garin is suddenly distancing himself. I may be reading too much into it, but I see a definite connection between the two.

Again, only wolves are truly certain at this point, the others can only guess. The seer is gone.

Fine, who is alledgedly a wolf....

Better?

[Garin]

Better?

Yes, better but it will be used against you when I am lynched.

[Kath]

I am an innocent yet my personality will always be wolfish. It is an easy vote for a wolf to make without being suspected. I think either Ang or Aber or wolves, or even Roan, or Wayne or Kath...
See, it would be idiotic to say for sure who is a wolf but some have dared to do so.

But Garin you aren't giving us reasons why! If you would just tell us the reasoning behind these thoughts then maybe we would see the same things you do. The way you're reacting right now is the same as the way Shelob reacted last night, and look what happened to her! You're against suicide, ok, we got that, but the way you're behaving is guaranteed to get you killed!

Please, just give us some reasons!

[Garin]

I am going on instinct, human instinct. Aber has cast votes against me and I know I am innocent. I suspect her due to her voting record and her knowingly targeting an innocent villager. Shelob has taught us a lesson that I have a problem learning. Perhaps, my death will bring us closer to the true wolves. Ang still disturbs me but must be a most masterful wolf if he is one.