The Midsummer Maulings (WW5)

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I really liked Firefoot. Part of it was because she agrees with me a lot, but I'm not so shallow that that's my entire reason for wanting her alive again. No, the reason I liked Footie was because I agreed with her reasoning on a lot of stuff.

Except now it seems that her reasoning got her killed. What we should do is wait for TGWBS to arrive, post his findings about her, and tell us that we should kill... someone. Only the problem with this is that her last suspect, apart from Mormegil, was TGWBS himself (and Kath... can't leave Kath out).

Does it strike anyone as odd that Firefoot accused those two and then DIED?

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by Fea

What we should do is wait for TGWBS to arrive, post his findings about her, and tell us that we should kill... someone.

Two points. Uno: Why am I the official investigator-boy? Do it yourself...
Nah, I'll do it later, when time allows.

Two: I liked Firefoot too, agreeing on a lot of her reasoning. However, her death will prove less insightful than that of the Seer or the Guardian; as a normal villager, she knew nothing.

Now, there are four innocents. Holbytlass, I think, has been left alive as she is the Hunter. I have been left to cast suspicion upon me. That leaves three last night. Out of the three, Firefoot's death benefited them most. Why?

I shall return later. *mysterious swish of cloak as Shortie disappears*

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Why am I the official investigator-boy? Do it yourself...

I labelled you official investigator-boy because you're so good at it, as well as punctual. However, if you want, I can post with all of my finding thus far, who they apply to, why I think we should lynch (or not lynch) each person, and all the while proclaim that I'm so innocent that your eyes would burn out of their sockets just from looking dead on at me, I glow with such purity and wind-blown-snowness. Actually, that's a bad idea. Well, the first part is fantastic... I'll post my findings now. The second part about me being so darned innocent? That's just a waste of bandwidth there. I'll let you decide for yourself. Just don't screw up or the wolves win, and that would seriously suck.

Gil (TTM): on Day 2, he defends Durelin, which is cool, but he votes for Kitanna, which goes to show that he knew what he was doing as much as any other plain old innocent (ie: he didn't). Yesterday, he accused Mormegil and Kath, which shows that he was thinking they were guilty, but he didn't show up to vote. The day ended swiftly, so we can't really blame him for that. Anyhow, his brief and sporatic posts don't lead me to believe that he is any sort of threat to the village. I think that we could take his words about Kath seriously, but that is countered by the idea that he was terribly wrong about Kitanna.

Holby: I'm nearly certain she's the Hunter, which like has been said, is why the wolves are probably leaving her alive. They wouldn't want to chance her choosing accurately when she dies, so they'll keep her around. Either that or she's a wolf and so the wolves can't kill her. I'm leaning more toward innocent, otherwise I never would have changed my Day 2 vote.

Kath: The Seer mentioned that she could be wolf or mytho, but since our late Seer never cemented any of her accusations with "I'm a Seer, take my words seriously", we can't be certain. Mytho would explain why she and Morm laid off each other on Day 2. Wolf is possible, but wolves don't usually directly attack comrades on Day 1, because Day 1 is so sketchy already. I don't know if she's innocent or guilty, but I'm leaning towards guilty. On the other hand, she defended Footie yesterday. Why would she, as a wolf, kill someone that she was allying herself with? Unless of course it was a ploy.

Nilp: Um... What is there to say about Nilp? He's in a far different time-zone, so we can't take his absences as evidence. On Day 2, he accused Mormegil (guilty), TGWBS (dunno), and NewGil (probably innocent). That really tells us nothing. I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but if we had more people, I'd offer to lynch him just to simplify matters. I'd hate to find out after we're all dead that he's our sheep-skinned wolf.

Oromin: she's quiet and creepy. I do agree with her that her initial defense to my teasing was inexperienced theatrics. After all, we all know that only the experienced ones should be taken seriously. She could very well be a wolf, but I'm not so sure. It seems more that as an inexperienced player, she's keeping quiet to observe and learn without dying a brutal death.

TGWBS: I can't help but think that he's very dangerous. Firefoot's words made a lot of sense yesterday to me, and then she died. I like him a lot, because he likes me and defends me, but that's no grounds at all for not killing him if I think he's guilty. See, I've had all these nightmares where a wolf might ally him/herself with an innocent. Since he's allied himself with me, it makes me nervous. Either he's an innocent that honestly believes me, or he's a wolf and wants my endorsement as a good guy.

Ta da! There you go, TGWBS, I gave you the world as I see it.

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I am starting to wonder whether TGWBS hasn't done a fantastic job of covering his tracks. He and Morm have done some light accusing of each other, about the right amount for two werewolves who don't want to be associated with each other. However, TGWBS has also done some defending of Morm. This is one of two things: a) a wolvish slip or b) innocent confusion and genuine desire to only lynch innocents. I do wonder if his accusations of Morm are a huge bluff - point out one (now fairly obvious) wolf and thereby clear himself.

True, Firefoot did point me out here. I explained this later, though, when she accepted my defence.
I also know that I have not yet cleared my name. I made a lot of mistakes, and I need to make up for them before anybody trusts me again.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

The only person I feel any reasonable degree of confidence about right now is Fea.

Her death was potentially to increase confidence in Fea.

I am probably most inclined to think that Kath is a wolf; however, if Kath was a wolf, I doubt Morm is, unless a) they're playing at a bluffing game, or b) Kath was the mytho and turned wolf. And, oddly enough, Morm and Kath are quite suspicious of each other on Day 1, but then... basically nothing.

The mytho suggestion has been placed forward before, and I for one am inclined to support it. This suggests Kath's guilt, or perhaps her innocent with a bluff?

TGWBS, your defence is fairly satisfactory. I'll be checking it out closer, but for now I'm satisfied. I don't know if I really think you're a wolf or not, but, like Fea, I'd kick myself to find it was so.

I'm thinking to go after Kath tomorrow.

The vote of confidence in me. A reinforcement of her resolve to go after Kath.

That's all. I think I'm tempted to go after Kath, though I will need to look at many other things first.

[the guy who be short]

TGWBS: I can't help but think that he's very dangerous. Firefoot's words made a lot of sense yesterday to me, and then she died. I like him a lot, because he likes me and defends me, but that's no grounds at all for not killing him if I think he's guilty. See, I've had all these nightmares where a wolf might ally him/herself with an innocent. Since he's allied himself with me, it makes me nervous. Either he's an innocent that honestly believes me, or he's a wolf and wants my endorsement as a good guy.

I am, hopefully at least, extremely dangerous. Firefoot ended the day defending me. I do like you, but I refuse to defend you. You're the intelligent, bonkers one. You need watching. That said, I think it's reasonably likely that you're innocent.

And I don't mind being investigator boy really. Just keep scary looking but suspiciously bipedal monsters away from me.

Edit: A quick break-up of the village as I see it.

Innocent: Me.
Hunter: Holbytlass.
Likely Innocent: Feanor of the Peredhil.
Like Mytho-wolf: Kath.

That leaves two wolves in the ranks of:
Oro
Nilp
G-GTTM.

Ideally I would like to see Kath lynched today. I have more suspicion of some on "the list" than others, but will not speak for today, on the presumption that the wolves would never kill me.

[Holbytlass]

I'm not sure about anything except Feanor's innocence.
One thing that struck me as odd is Gil's reincarnation. Was it really about not letting go of numbers if a certain someone who never appeared just died or about the secret role diappearing?
For lack of experience Gil1 was lynched for not being here enough, given a chance to do again in same village, Gil(TTM) is here even less. Any thoughts?

[the guy who be short]

Gil1 was lynched for appearing to be in league with some other members of the village, if I recall correctly.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I was under the impression that we lynched him because he was a blood-thristy little berk. It's a little depressing that we all killed him for different reasons.

One thing that struck me as odd is Gil's reincarnation. Was it really about not letting go of numbers if a certain someone who never appeared just died or about the secret role diappearing?

Yes... that struck me as well. Would it really make that much of a difference, once into the game, if a normal innocent had to unexpectedly "die"?

[the guy who be short]

Anybody here not of the opinion that Kath should die next?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Anybody here not of the opinion that if we rush today and screw up, the wolves win?

[the guy who be short]

I'm not rushing people. I'm asking a question. Kath is highest on many people's suspect lists, and is likely the mytho-thing. There's been suspicion of this from early on.

Certainly I don't intend to vote until we have heard from all villagers, or until it is reasonably late, but until then I'm willing to wait. Unless anybody has hugely compelling evidence though, I'm pretty certain which way my vote is going.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I'm going to assume (reasonably, I hope) that Nilp is currently asleep. Gil is AWOL. Kath is... well, she's mentioned that she's sick, so that might be why she's not around. No idea about Oromin.

What I've been waiting this whole game for is a lengthy post from Gil-Galad. I hope I don't wait in vain.

[Kath]

Kath is here (at last). Yes Fea illness, idiotic field trips and also computer problems kept me away so apologies.

TGWBS I am of the opinion that I should not die today! And I wanted to mention something about your mytho idea. If I were this person why are you so certain that I would have become a wolf? To the best of my knowledge the mythomane was allowed to choose the person they wanted to turn into. Since I did not know who was a wolf and who an innocent on the first day then if I were the mytho and made this choice I would have a higher chance of staying an ordinary, ungifted, innocent villager.

Now, there is little point in proclaiming my innocence. I have already done that before and it will just be seen as an excuse. So instead I'll just talk about the person I have some concerns about at the moment - TGWBS.

Yes Firefoot ended the day defending you and accusing me but in my mind this is a sign of an incredibly cunning wolf. What better way to protect yourself than to hide behind someone who never raised an ounce of suspicion and was widely believed by everyone to be completely innocent. TGWBS supported every decision she made, never explaining his own reasons for suspecting people, just piggybacking on those of Firefoot. This strikes me as a little odd. Of course he has made such a case against me that it is unlikely anyone will trust a word I say but if anyone has any doubts then I ask that you please watch out for TGWBS. He is rushing people to vote, in my opinion to prevent them from having time to form their own ideas, and to make them afraid to vote against his suspects.

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by Kath

And I wanted to mention something about your mytho idea. If I were this person why are you so certain that I would have become a wolf? To the best of my knowledge the mythomane was allowed to choose the person they wanted to turn into. Since I did not know who was a wolf and who an innocent on the first day then if I were the mytho and made this choice I would have a higher chance of staying an ordinary, ungifted, innocent villager.

Notice how the number of wolves magically changed from three to four, dear?

Originally Posted by Kath

TGWBS supported every decision she made, never explaining his own reasons for suspecting people, just piggybacking on those of Firefoot.

I remember doing this once, in the accusation of you. Any more? Quotes? No?

Originally Posted by Kath

He is rushing people to vote, in my opinion to prevent them from having time to form their own ideas, and to make them afraid to vote against his suspects.

...

Originally Posted by Me

I'm not rushing people. I'm asking a question... Certainly I don't intend to vote until we have heard from all villagers, or until it is reasonably late [in the Day].

Why would I want to make people afraid to vote against my suspects anyway? Surely I'd want them to support me...

Congratulations. What a terribly interesting post.

[Kath]

Notice how the number of wolves magically changed from three to four, dear?

I hate to admit utter stupidity but no, I really didn't think of that . Well, at least I know where that idea came from now!

I'm afraid I have no quotes from previous pages due to computer troubles (which I would explain but it would take a lot of space and remove us from this dimension slightly).

I apparently cross-posted with you as I didn't see you say that you weren't rushing people. Which I still don't agree with. You were rushing people but then you were called on it and stopped, presumably to try and protect yourself from any suspicion.

Why would I want to make people afraid to vote against my suspects anyway? Surely I'd want them to support me...

This sentence does not make sense. Yes you want people to support you, you want them to vote for who you say so that they don't vote for you. Therefore you push your points and your ideas so that others do not wish to vote differently to you because you will cry "Wolf!" if they do. Making people afraid to vote against you would mean they had to support you.

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by ath

I'm afraid I have no quotes from previous pages due to computer troubles (which I would explain but it would take a lot of space and remove us from this dimension slightly).

Not to worry, I shall go back and analyse everything Firefoot and I said yesterday. Expect a post containing surprisingly little in it soon.

Originally Posted by Kath

You were rushing people but then you were called on it and stopped, presumably to try and protect yourself from any suspicion.

Please explain. Asking whether there is anybody in the entire village that trusts you is rushing... how? Not voting until I was sure of consensus is rushing how? Rushing would be something like jumping on morm yesterday. If I wanted to rush, I'm sure I could have voted for you and garnered quite a lot of support initially.

Originally Posted by Kath

you want them to vote for who you say so that they don't vote for you.

Well done.

Originally Posted by Kath

Therefore you push your points and your ideas so that others do not wish to vote differently to you because you will cry "Wolf!" if they do.

Pushing my points is merely my duty to the village. I am willing to consider other viewpoints and other evidence indicating other villagers, though I will now almost definitely be voting for you, support or no.
If others vote differently to me, I shall certainly be drawing conclusions, and certainly if you end up guilty. I will delay my cries of "Wolf!" to the morrow.

Originally Posted by Kath

Making people afraid to vote against you would mean they had to support you.

In a village of three, perhaps.

Please enlighten us - how exactly did you think a fourth wolf appeared?

Coming soon, an analysis of the extent to which Firefoot and I supported one another.

[the guy who be short]

I post that I have evidence against Morm. Later, Firefoot says:

Having since gone through the thread again, one thing that I've noticed is that our seer Kitanna seemed quite certain that Morm was a wolf. This may be our best bet for catching a wolf.

She supports me, rather than vice versa, or me trying to piggyback off her.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I think that we can be quite certain as well that Holbytlass is innocent, else she would not have changed her vote to herself when an innocent was about to die.
We should also be looking at who Durelin's partner the hunter may have been. The more innocents that we can figure on, the better our chances of catching a wolf will be.

I later explore these two points. They're no-brainers though, hardly evidence of mutual support.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I was coming to some of the same conclusions as TGWBS even as he posted them. I don't think there can be a lot of doubt...

She supports my evidence again, piggybacking off it, if you will. Not vice versa.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I am starting to wonder whether TGWBS hasn't done a fantastic job of covering his tracks... one more point I left off. TGWBS found it necessary to point out in his very first post that he was "obviously innocent." Hmm...

She accuses me. Hardly the perfect person to piggyback off.

Originally Posted by Firefoot

Also interesting is that both Morm and Kath went onto TGWBS's "probably innocent" list (bottom Page 2).
I'd like to hear from TGWBS... I'm becoming ever more convinced that he may be a wolf

More accusations of me. Perfect person to associate myself with.

Originally Posted by Me

So is everybody, I presume. What is clear is that we cannot make a single mistake from now to the end, or all is lost.

The only "theory" of Firefoot's I piggyback off, if such it can be called. A one line accusation is hardly a theory, and little to piggyback off.


There we go. Done. A one line accusation from Firefoot which I immediately agree with due to, as I later state, independant reasons. Firefoot's accusation hardly deserves the word theory. A non-existant theory cannot be piggybacked off.
Furthermore, I note that you immediately voiced concern about me piggybacking off Firefoot - despite the fact that it was an isolated moment when I agreed with her, and no theorising was present.

Originally Posted by Kath

Now, as to me. Firefoot says she wants to vote for me and has so far been supported by TGWBS. This worries me as I have been having concerns about TGWBS all day. Firefoot's post ealier (or was it yesterday?) about him possibly playing a double bluff gave me pause for thought. And now today he is going along with her ideas with no reasoning off his own. This strikes me as odd. Perhaps he is trying to put her off his trail? Firefoot seems to me trustworthy, maybe he feels that associating with her will keep suspicion away from him.

Indeed. No reasoning of my own. You make it sound as if Firefoot had extensive reasoning as opposed to one line of accusation.

And so, Kath, you give yourself away. You accuse me of piggybacking on the non-existant theories of others. But you voiced this suspicion yesterday, and that shall beyour undoing. Plainly, you killed Firefoot so as to be able to cast suspicion upon me and accuse me, as you have done above, for no reason whatsoever, hoping that others will not look back and realise the lack of evidence behind it.

To me, you have shown plainly that you are a wolf. I would vote right now, but I would be accused of being rash, and I would very much like to see the quiet villagers today.

I will definitely be voting Kath.

[Gil-Galad]

though i'm not one of lengthy posts, though if you read the notice board it shall explain my AWOL, for now the only accusation is me not being here, so my post on the notice board should sum it up for that...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Does anybody else think that we should just hedge our bets and try to kill them both? It makes me wish multiple lynchings weren't impossible (if I remember correctly, they are, right?).

[Holbytlass]

my own random thoughts

definite innocent: Me (Holby) Feanor

who the heck knows?:Nilp Oro Gil(TTM)
Gil2 has role (hunter, mytho or wolf, or why be reincarnated)

TGWBS: first thought to be seer, than thought to be hunter but accused Duerlin too many times

Kath: as far as actions, seems to be the mytho, against Morm then seems to defend Morm after day 2

I think it is too close of a game for 2 wolves to be brashing against each other so both (Kath and TGWBS) aren't wolves, let's not lynch both even if we could, Fea.

leaning towards Kath of the two.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Valid point, Holby. I was just rolling my eyes at the bickering. It reminds me of myself, back in my young and impetuous days. Since we can't kill two people (nor should we), I've got to choose now (since I won't be back before day's end).

I see no reason to vote for Oro, Holby, or Nilp, since I "trust" them. That's not to say it's real trust, since that's not something one should do in these situations, but I don't think we should be worried about them at the moment. We've got bigger fish to fry.

Gil... Kath... TGWBS.

I have to choose one, and I don't really want to, because I don't know who to pick.

So many people seem certain that Kath is the mytho... but what if we're wrong? I'm afraid to chance it, as our seer never confirmed it, and the "proof" is just as likely a series of twisted coincidences.

I've been nervous about TGWBS since Firefoot's call last night. After her subsequent death, my suspicion doubled.

Gil... Holby's point about keeping somebody totally innocent (ie: useless except as a number) is bothering me. A lot.

Since there are three wolves, and these are my only three suspicions... I have a feeling that voting for any one of them is a positive thing. I know that most of you are thinking Kath right now... but I really think that TGWBS is the one we should kill. Just to disprove his "I'm innocent"s like we did with Mormegil. You can't tell me that you weren't ecstatic to prove him wrong. Therefore, with great remorse that it should be so soon, and great remorse should I be wrong...

++TGWBS

I'll see you guys some time tomorrow. TGWBS... many apologies if I'm wrong.

[Orominuialwen]

First, I'd like to apologize for my absence. I tried to get on the computer twice earlier today, but got kicked off after less than 10 minutes each time, and the second time got yelled at for "checking my e-mail every 5 minutes." Anyway, I thought I'd better explain why I wasn't here until now.

Here's what I think of everybody who's left:
Feanor-- Probably innocent. None of our proven innocents have really accused her. For that matter, nobody really has, except for me at the very beginning, but I'm not inclined to go with that any more. She just seems too conspicuous of a personality to be a wolf.

Holbytlass-- Probably innocent too. I'm pretty well convinced that she's our hunter, as most everybody else seems to think. Obviously the wolves have left her alive because they too think she's the hunter and don't want to risk her taking out one of them if they kill her.

tgwbs-- Quite possibly guilty. Until yesterday with mormegil, who was a dead giveway as a wolf and suspected by us all by then, tgwbs had an uncanny knack for leading the charge in lynching innocent villagers. He's either an innocent with really bad gut instincts or a wolf trying to hide out in the open. I'm still not sure which.

Gil 2-- A bit of a mystery. He could go either way, really.

Kath-- Quite possibly guilty as well. I do think that either she or tgwbs is a wolf, but not both. The fact that mormegil suddenly stopped accusing her on Day 2 is very suspicious, but that doesn't necessarily make her a wolf. After all, the Seer never said anything definite about her, but she still does seem like she could be a wolf.

Me-- Definitely innocent. That's about all I can say!

Nilp-- Same sort of situation as with Gil. I'm inclined to say he's innocent just because I have that sort of feeling about him, but I'm not going to trust that completely. He too could go either way.

[Holbytlass]

I probably will sleep through the deadline, so I'm voting now for

++KATH

Because I think she's the mytho-wolf

[Orominuialwen]

Blast! I just realized that I won't be able to make the deadline tomorrow. (I have to go to a funeral tomorrow morning and I have to be there an hour early because I'm singing in the choir, so I will be busy getting ready when the deadline arrives [8 a.m. central time])

Therefore, with much regret, I will have to cast my vote now, sooner than I would like to. I'm worried about doing this, but please forgive me if I'm wrong.

++TGWBS

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

At first, I scoffed at Gil's explanation of his resuscitation, but after a few thoughts, he would only say that if in fact no role has been passed to him. And perhaps he, unlike me, learns his lesson well.

Now yesterday, I was disappointed at not being able to participate, but I'm glad we got a wolf. I also had an idea yesterday not unlike Firefoot's: the guy might be a werewolf trying to secure innocence with his attack. Notice the way he jumped on morm after Firefoot had already denounced him.

I agree with Oro here: either Kath or the guy is a wolf, but not both. Unless they're pulling the greatest act I have ever seen. But I'm not sure of that.

Hmmm . . . the tough part here is we have equal evidence for the guy's guilt (q.v.) and Kath's morpholupism (hehe, I just made a word up.) Decisions, decisions . . .

++the guy who be short

He's more suspicious to me.

[Kath]

Well you all know my reasons so my vote goes to

++TGWBS

[the guy who be short]

++Kath

We're at the stage where, if you kill me, the entire game is lost. As I am garnering more votes, I will post openly.

The three remaining wolves are: Kath, Nilp, Feanor. I am almost certain of this.

Unfortunately, it means the only innocent to have voted for me thus far is Oro, who cannot return and change her vote.

There is therefore no point in, once again, pointing to my extremely adequate response to Firefoot's questioning, which left her satisfied.

There is no point in pointing out Kath's slip in accusing me of piggybacking off Firefoot yesterday, then killing her so she could accuse me of piggybacking off an innocent.

The wolves' job is then complete.

[the guy who be short]

Fea:

Originally Posted by Fea

So many people seem certain that Kath is the mytho... but what if we're wrong? I'm afraid to chance it, as our seer never confirmed it, and the "proof" is just as likely a series of twisted coincidences.

How coincidental. Somebody goes from top suspect to not-mentioned over a Night without so much as an explanation.

Originally Posted by Fea

I've been nervous about TGWBS since Firefoot's call last night. After her subsequent death, my suspicion doubled.

I have been pointing out since the beginning of Day 3, when durelin my main suspect was proven innocent, that the entire think is a set up, with strong evidence. It is ignored.

Originally Posted by Fea

but I really think that TGWBS is the one we should kill. Just to disprove his "I'm innocent"s like we did with Mormegil.

She seems to discount the fact that we need to kill a werewolf. This strikes me as too whimsical.

Nilp:

Originally Posted by Nilp

I also had an idea yesterday not unlike Firefoot's: the guy might be a werewolf trying to secure innocence with his attack. Notice the way he jumped on morm after Firefoot had already denounced him.

Using evidence that has already been explained and disproved.

Originally Posted by Nilp

Hmmm . . . the tough part here is we have equal evidence for the guy's guilt (q.v.)

Again, the link leads to evidence that was satisfactorily disproved.

There you go. Once I'm dead, expect those three to jump on you. Cunning wolves...

[the guy who be short]

Four votes for me and the 24hr time limit is up.

Death! Death! Death take us all!

[Mithalwen]

Twilight neared and again although the decision was not unanimous it was sufficient to put the noose around the neck of the guy who would be Scoobert. Perhaps his appearance had been against him, the villagers unable to distinguish between the canine and the lupine. Those who condemned him cheered as his body fell but as it twitched and jerked on the rope but as it did so the cheers started to sound more like howls. The villages had signed their own death warrant when they palced the noose around his neck.

Holbytlass and Nilpaurion Felaguns stood back to back as Gil Galad, the hunter could do nothing against such odds. The trio of wolves they had known as, Feanor of the Peredhil, Kath and Orominuialwen circled quickly before there was a brief but violent flurry of fur and blood.

Werewolves 3 Villagers 0

First Awards on the Noticeboard shortly but lengthy post mortems will have to wait til tomorrow....

[mormegil]

Good game all! Especially I would like to Congratulate my fellow wolves on such a wonderfully played game.

[the guy who be short]

Ah, two out of three. Congrats Oro for being completely and totally inconspicuous and non-suspicious. I suspected you duringthe earlier days but by the end of it I was convinced of a Kath/Fea/Nilp or Kath/Fea/G-G trio.

Congrats also to the wolves - was I correct in guessing that the deaths of durelin and Firefoot were both to frame me?

[Durelin]

I'll have to try this thing again...maybe.

I like making people want to kill me.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

Congrats also to the wolves - was I correct in guessing that the deaths of durelin and Firefoot were both to frame me?

I'll post the werewolf conversations soon. Probably not tonight, but maybe tomorrow. If not, first thing Monday morning. They'll answer most questions.

And TGWBS, was the suspense worth the answer?

[Firefoot]

Ack, Fea! Only briefly after I was killed did I think for a moment "maybe she's a werewolf trying to set TGWBS up..." then, "No, she's innocent. Of course she's innocent."

And now I'm free to indulge my reasons for my initial suspicion of Oro. Compare:

Oro's first post:

But why me, my dear Madam? My middle name may be Death (although it rhymes with teeth), but that does not make me a wolf. I was called away by family matters, and did not have time to comment. I had to entertain my brother, the Duke of Denver, this evening, and so have only just sped back to our village in Mrs. Mertle. No, my dear lady, I Oromin Wimsey am no lupine. I am certainly curious to discover the reasoning behind your blind and seemingly pointless accusation of me.

My first ever post in W-W I (I was a werewolf):

I see people have begun to suspect me for my absense thus far. Let me assure you, it is because of no ill doings on my own part. I was here this morning before Day 1 started, so you see I had no chance to post my thoughts. Then, you see, there is this unfortunate thing called school, at which I never have a chance to log on to a computer. I have only gotten home a short while ago. So you see, 'tis for only very innocent reasons that I have been away.

And later:

mormegil, I do not understand your unfounded accusations of me.

Oh, yes, it sounded familiar all right. And, as you can see, I was right. Should have pushed that one further.

I was right about Kath, too... oh, well.

No wonder the wolves killed me - and as a bonus, they got to use my own evidence to kill TGWBS...

Good game, everyone.

[Kitanna]

Oh alas! If only the innocents had listened to TGWBS! But a good game on everyone's behalf.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Because of our immediate setback (Lhuna pulling out and me being recruited very shortly before the game) Mith granted us PMing during DAY 1. This is our conversing for that span, and shortly into NIGHT 2, when our plans were abruptly changed.

Originally Posted by Fea

Hey guys. Looks like I'm playing this round after all. Very nice to be working with y'all, and all that other pleasant stuff.
Catch me up, if you'd be so kind. Have you got any plans laid out yet?

I have to be honest and second what Mithalwen said about me standing out a lot, so I'd have to say that your best bet is to flat out avoid me. Perhaps play around with "Well... she might be innocent, but I don't trust her at all. She's too sneaky." That sort of thing. Make it apparent that you have no alliances with me, because I've considered this a bit (even before Mith PMed me 10 minutes ago ) and I think the best idea is for me to be the public suspect.

I might play the Nilp route and say "I'm a wolf. You should lynch me while you still have the chance". Of course, it will be veiled in jokes and obscurity, but I will be sure to keep myself in the usual spotlight. Unless you two decide that it would be best for me to lie low. I must admit, that would confuse the heck out of people.

Either way, I'll be lying low today, as I've got to take off for a few hours mid-afternoon. I run on EST, so that's in about an hour and a half.

Tell me what you guys think, and we'll get this figured out.

Originally Posted by mormegil

This is what I sent out and this is my strategy--to stay the same as I am in every game. I think, Fea, that you should play similar to your other games as well. SUPER LOUD. If you don't it may be obvious that you are changing tactics. As I've never allied myself in the past with anyone I will keep it that way this game. Oromi will stay fairly quiet.

One thing don't spend too much time saying how innocent we are. I always feel the people who focus too much on saying "I'm innocent" are most likely the wolves.

Originally Posted by Fea

Perfect.

*giggle* I think you are right. I'll save my tactic switch for when I'm innocent. Which means that y'all should look forward to me spotlighting everyone until I'm "certain they are innocent", nitpicking, dancing to my own tune, and most of all, very vocally attaching myself to certain "bones". Observation by agitation indeed.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Would you mind being the caretaker of our conversations? That way at the end if somebody is interested they can see what we spoke of.

Originally Posted by Fea

*looks over at the open WordPad document entitled "wolf chat, game 5"*


Way ahead of you.

Originally Posted by Fea

Durelin
Firefoot
Gil-Galad
Holbytlass
Kath
Kitanna
Nilpaurion Felagund
Oddwen
Sophia the Thunder Mistress
The guy who be short

Random: draw a name from a hat.
Plus: untraceable
Minus: chance of killing first timer

Methodical: alphebetical order
Plus: traceable, but in no helpful way
Minus: guarantee of killing first timer

Experience-based: slaughter people who know what they're doing
Plus: shooting fish in a barrel once their gone
Minus: less players to subtley prod people into killing based on suspicions that we "aren't supposed to have"

It's your call, guys.

Originally Posted by Fea

About Gil:

He's pointed out both Morm and myself. I find that somewhat disconcerting. Here are our options:

1) He picked randomly of those who've posted, and found two wolves.

2) He's the Seer and got one wolf (morm, because I joined too late for him to know to dream about me) and guessed on me because I'm a well-known and experienced loudmouth.

No matter what, HE CAN'T DIE. At least not today or tonight. I'm sure you guys are already aware of that. Kath needs to stay alive as well. I put for the suggestion that the two could be Ranger and Hunter, and so are in cahoots, however I find it unlikely, as Gil forgot to go invisible and any bright Gifted one would do that immediately. Any how, I don't think Gil is dangerous, just lucky. We shouldn't let his comments cloud our judgement, but we do need to keep an eye on him without uncharacteristic retaliation. It's going to be dead obvious if we give knee-jerk reactions. Of course you know that, but it can't be said too many times.

Oh, just so you know, I do plan on multi-layered bluffs. I hope it startles laughs out of you both.

EDIT: Oro's inbox is full. We'll have to fill her in later.

Originally Posted by morm

I'm not overly worried about Gil. I think his vehemence will work against him. If he's not lynched today I think we could kill him tonight and risk him being the seer. If he is...well I'll die I'm sure. If he's not we could go for a "framing poor open Morm" defense. "Oh no the wolves are out to get me" Just make sure you don't really denfend me. If I were you I would drop me from most of your conversations.

Unless you feel a vote for me now you clear you later. If Gil is the seer it may be worth my life to get rid of him tonight. If he is lynched and he is the seer than the myoth...whatever guy would easily pick him to become than we would have another seer.

Originally Posted by Fea

If you think we can off Gil without garnering suspicion, then by all means, we should kill him without second thought. I just don't want it to look as obvious as I think it will. If he isn't lynched toDAY, I still think we should leave him be toNIGHT. Although I have nothing whatsoever against subtley turning the village against him. I'm going to stick with my usual plan of attack with "never telling my true suspects" until I have to, and even then, pulling them out of nowhere. Right now I've just accused everyone who hasn't shown yet. Gotta take off for the night. I'll be around before the day ends tomorrow.

PS again: Oro's inbox is still full. Looks like she's stuck in the dark on this one?

Originally Posted by morm

I believe in WW3 if Fordim were a wolf, killing off TGWBS (I think it was him) would have been great. Such an obvious set up would be too risky for a wolf to take and that's why we can get away with it.

Originally Posted by Oro

Sorry for my absence! I was kept away until now by family matters and computer troubles. As far as strategy goes, I think it would be a good idea for Fea and me to keep accusing each other. It will put some distance between us... I think I'll still try to just lay low, since I'm very inexperienced.

Originally Posted by morm

My vote today is for Kath as I explained in my post. I think it to be a fairly good post...it is true that I will be gone for the greater part of tomorrow. But if Kath is killed I think we could easily pick off Gil tonight and play the risky double bluff. It would have worked in the past in a similar situation and I think it will work now. If he does turn out to be the seer...good he'll only have one night of dreaming and at the expense of one wolf. He won't be able to list who are innocents thus complicating life for us.

Originally Posted by Fea

Okay, to address everything.

Oro, I'm up for accusing each other. It won't look sketchy because I'm always being accused by the quiet ones. The perk of you being quiet is that if they see through our double-loudmouth bluff, they won't hesitate to think there are three.

Morm, let's kill Gil. You're right about the bluff. No werewolf in his/her right mind would be stupid enough to kill the one pointing him/her out. It's perfect. I love how you think; I don't have to share my ideas because you've already got them. Oro, what do you think about us slaying Gil tonight? If you agree, somebody kindly PM Mithalwen and tell her we've got our first victim.

Stupid national holiday (God Bless America, in any case) limits my computer time, or I'd offer to do it myself.

Originally Posted by Orominuialwen

From the way things are looking now (1 vote for Kath, one for Holbytlass, 2 for me, and 5 for Gil), we may not have to kill Gil tonight after all. I voted for Gil, so unless more people come in the next few minutes, he'll die today, not tonight.

Originally Posted by Fea

Excellent. Mormegil, do you feel up to a bluff? If so, I say we kill Kath tonight. You call frame-up, and people get confused.

Originally Posted by morm

I see two people who we can kill. TGWBS or Kath. In either situation I will have to pull a double bluff. But honestly I think this will have a good effect in casting suspicion off of me. Too obvious a set up to take real...right?

Now to kill Kath the advantage is it severs the alleged alliance between herself and I. To kill TGWBS it kills somebody who is very intelligent and a good player, also he's very suspicious of me. We have a good long time to discuss it but let's consider both okay.

Originally Posted by Fea

I'd like to leave TGWBS alive as long as possible for a few reasons. One is that he's a very convincing player, and he thinks I'm innocent. That's a plus in our favor.

Another is that he's a good choice for someone whose words we can use against him in a few days. Look at some of the stuff he wrote today; it won't be that hard to deflect blame back to him later. Kath, on the other hand, is also bright, which makes her dangerous. She suspects you quite openly, which makes for the perfect bluff. She takes more care with what she says, which makes it more difficult to pin her with her own words. If we take her out early, it doesn't give her a chance to do damage.

Originally Posted by morm

Plus with Kath it will kill that alliance idea. But I worry that the seer will dream of me tonight. I think we need to try and get TGWBS out of the way during the day. I'm not sure how we can turn what he says against himself but I'm all for it if we can.

You two need to be careful to not cast too much doubt on Oromi in particular. At this stage Fea you may want to be loud elsewhere, as this will not be suspicious behavior if you do it.

Now how are we going to pull of this double bluff? My hope is that Firefoot (or somebody similar) will point out how obvious a set up it is. That way I don't have to defend myself. I think Firefoot may do it for us. If not one of you may need to step in, but that could be risky. If you do make sure it's worded carefully but not too guarded. I really think we can pull this off though.

Being a wolf is tough business though

Originally Posted by Fea

He's very cool and calculating. Though he avoids saying things that directly incriminate him, we can use his intelligence against him. It won't look obvious if I frame him up tomorrow.

About Oro... I hadn't meant to end up with that much of a following. I'll "forget" about her tomorrow, unless someone calls me on it, and direct my attention to someone else. Obviously it can't be you, Morm, because "No idiot wolf would kill the two people that wanted him dead. That's just plain stupid. I mean... it would be so obvious; the wolf couldn't possibly expect to survive something like that.", so it's got to be someone else that's smart, and who is good with strategy and frame-up work. Like, perhaps, TGWBS.

If not, I can do it.

Heck yes it is. Fun though.

So are we decided on Kath for the night?

Originally Posted by morm

Yes I would say kill Kath and hope her to be the seer or guardian. Let Oro know.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

The completion of our first NIGHT working together as a team.

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

You are a werewolf. AS are Orominuialwen and Fea

Since you have chosen befor they have made up their mind. I am telling them so they don't kill you!! 4 wolves will be so interesting!!!!

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Originally Posted by Fea

Ah, m'ladies, we had quite made up our mind (I was going to PM this morning, Mith, with Oro's blessing), but it looks like we cannot kill one of our own. Welcome to the team, dear Kath. We now need to find a new target. Do you have interest in reading our prior PMs, or would you prefer me to send you the gist of our dealings?

morm, Oro... she's foiled us!

Mith... our rocky start's been duly fixed.

Originally Posted by morm

Of course our main objective now is to kill the seer. An intelligent seer will stay our of most people's way and not accuse anybody particularly at this stage. I think we can eliminate TGWBS from that list and probably Holytlass. The seer would not fly so low as to avoid being heard though. My guess would be somebody like Oddwen or Durelin. Both spoke but didn't really contribute much as far as speaking against people. Now Oddwen has played more so it may be nice to kill her off first due to her experience and it would be nice to leave Durelin in another round to give him some experience.

Oh and Feanor I'm a man not a "m'lady"

Originally Posted by morm

Reading the notice board I wonder if we would be well served to kill Sophie off before anything like that happens.

Incidentally do we know what Gil was? I'm assuming merely an innocent and not gifted. So my vote goes for either
Oddwen
Durelin
Sophie

Probably in that order...let me know what you think.

Originally Posted by Kath

I'm sorry I've taken so long to reply. To the best of my knowledge Gil wasn't gifted, just an innocent - who I was not in league with btw.

I've had to rush through reading the thread so if you could just give me a quick reason why you want to vote for these people Morm?

And Fea an overview would be great, thanks.

Originally Posted by Morm

Well Kath to be honest why I want to kill those is because we are now rushed. You were slated to die tonight and we were going to attempt to pull off the double-bluff. We could still try it on TGWBS if you'd like but I think either Oddwen or Durelin are acting most like the seer.

Now there is a problem Kath...People (TGWBS mainly) have suspicion that we might be in league together...laughable at the time yes...but now it's true. You and I need to distance that but not make it too obvious. I think I will say something to the effect of "now that Gil's dead and innocent I'm convinced that he and Kath were not in league together. Kath is probably innocent but still I'm not sure". I think something like that will be sufficient. You may need to keep a bit of heat on me this round...not so much I get lynched...but you probably shouldn't forget me.

So what say you ladies? Do we go for the double-bluff approach and Kill TGWBS or one of the others I've listed...or perhaps you have a better suggestion. I am very willing to listen and be swayed.

Incidentally Kath, you having been innocent what did you think of us three? Do we appear in cahoots? wolfish? innocent? What was your take on it?

Originally Posted by Fea

Gil wasn't gifted. It would have said so if he was. The reason that we organized the slaying of Gil is because he was openly suspicious of Morm and me. Partly we wanted him gone, partly we wanted to be able to call frame-up. The reason you were set to die tonight is the same reason: killing you would make Morm look guilty as all heck, which is the perfect double bluff. With his top two accusers gone, Morm would be in the clear because nobody would believe a wolf would intentionally draw that much attention to himself.

Kath: here are our roles as of yet: Morm and I are our typical loudmouth selves, calling attention to ourselves, and keepng our distance from each other. Oro is the quiet one. She suspects me, I suspect her. You may choose whatever role you want, as nobody thinks you're guilty and nobody knows we've got a new wolf.

We considered ways of choosing victims: entirely random, with the perk of being untracable; alphebetical, tracable but fruitlessly so; frame someone else; frame ourselves. So far, we've gone with framing ourselves.

We talked for awhile on what to do with Gil, finally deciding that killing him would cast all kinds of needless (and therefore excellent) suspicion on anyone who voted for him, but most especially on Morm. If you died during the day, we'd take him at night, and vice versa. That plan's shot, so we're on to a new one (still to be decided on).

Morm wants to kill TGWBS (because of his experience, expertise, and previous accusations), but I nixed the idea. I want to keep TGWBS alive for a later frame up. Plus the good boy thinks I'm innocent. That's obviously a plus in our favor, because he's a convincing foe.

That's about it so far. If you're wondering how we fit all that in in the past 12 hours, it's because we had all DAY yesterday granted to us by Mith, because Lhuna (the original wolf) dropped and I was recruited just a few hours before we started. Our daylight PMs are done now, but we've still got night.

Catering to the masses, ol' boy. The PM was to you, Oro, Mith, AND Kath. Three out of four ain't bad, eh?

If we kill Sophia, people will know that it was to stop Gil from returning. They'll take a closer look at everything he said. Which, quite honestly, is perfect.

If we kill Durelin, we are making TGWBS look bad (she only accused him and Gil).

If we kill Oddwen, we've got nothin' since she didn't really openly accuse anyone, nor did she vote.

In response to the Kill-the-Seer, yes. That's important. Very important. Looking through our list, I'd say that each of your choices are ideal, Mormy, but Firefoot is better.

I know we wanted her for tomorrow, but she looks so promising, as she fingered Morm and Oro (voted against Oro), but it's not a guaranteed thing, since she was active and also pointed out others. She's dangerous, but she could also work well if we wanted to frame Holby later. Remember, Holby's laying low, which can be easily used against her. Think about it... Firefoot claimed you as suspect, Morm. So did Gil. There's the bluff we were after with Kath. Also, Firefoot's a danger because she's experienced. Also, she pointed out Holby who voted for Gil. It wouldn't take a lot of effort to convey "suspicions" toward her. Really, about as much as it took to get Gil killed today.

What do you think? Oh yeah, sorry about my inordinately long PM.

Originally Posted by Kath

Sorry I seem to have screwed up all your plans with one simple choice!

I see your point about creating a distance Morom and if you want me to put heat on you I could blame you for Gil's death for a while and then somehow slowly become less convinced of this being a wolf plot?

I'm agreeing with this double-bluff approach but maybe not TGWBS - I just feel that might draw too much suspicion. Also, he is pretty vocal and might be useful later if we can push him into being suspicious of others. I'm more inclined to go with Fea and kill Holby.

As for who the Seer is I'm no further in my guesses than you Morm so I'll trust your instinct on that unless I see something that makes me think otherwise. Though as a question, when were you planning on killing the Seer, or at least trying to?

To answer Morm's question as an innocent I was absolutely convinced that you (Morm) were a werewolf - that was partly why I chose you as I thought you were coming after me next and I wanted to actually be in this game! Fea I also thought you were a wolf though for that i have no reasoning other than gut instinct. Oro I had no idea about at all. None of you seemed to be working together though so you did well there.

Originally Posted by Fea

I have to go, and I won't be back until later, so here's my choice: Firefoot.

She's a danger as is, she's a potential seer, and her death could help us a LOT later on.

If you decide against her, do what you will with my blessing, but for the love of Ford, don't kill TGWBS. I want the village to take care of that mess for us.

Originally Posted by Morm

I would rather go with Oddwen than Firefoot but I'm okay if we want to go with Firefoot. I don't think there is the same double-bluff potential (though that may arise later) Kath it's up to you since we can't talk to Oro right now. I'm fine either way.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Originally Posted by Kath Jeez giving me the decision!?! Well all I can say is it's your own fault. But I think I'm going to agree with you Morm and say Oddwen.Sorry Fea but it's oddwen this round.

Mith we would like to kill our friend Oddwen and hope that she is the seer.

Originally Posted by morm

I will post, as usual, my list of who voted for who. It will show that TGWBS and Kitanna made critical votes of our known innocent. We shouldn't push too heavily on that but I will point it out and maybe it could be followed up by somebody else in the village. We could cast further suspicion on those two by what they have said. But they were 3rd and 4th to vote for Ole Gil. They did this at a critical time.

Kath any suggestions on how I can act a bit differently today that would have helped allay your suspcions of me...obviously nothing too obvious.

Originally Posted by Oro

I would suggest killing off Sophia to avoid having Gil return, complete with all his suspicions. If you don't want to do that, possibly Firefoot, although that may point suspicion towards me and morm. I'll be away until NIGHT is over, so whatever you decide is fine by me.

Oh, by the way, nice job there Fea, calling me subtle. It amused me very much.

Originally Posted by Kath

Lots of PMs are good, only way I can keep up with all this.

So are we trying to get TGWBS lynched tomorrow? In a subtle way of course.

Well Morm obv I will have to be suspicious of you due to your attack of Gil but maybe you could make a point about being the first to vote and then having to run off.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

This night begins in such a great fashion, with us celectrating taking out the Seer.

Originally Posted by Fea

My doves, look how fantastic that was. We've killed off our Seer. I am now the hero that kept myself and Firefoot from taking out extra innocents (certainly nothing a wolf would do), and so now, for some strange reason, not a soul suspects me. I'd like to keep it that way. I'm sure you see my reasoning for what I did?
I knew it had to be Kitanna the second she mentioned a mytho-wolf relationship between Morm and Kath. Everybody take a nice drink now to celebrate your fantastic work.

Mormegil, m'dear, I'm sure that you can see your own fate is sealed. Kitanna made absolute certain that she voted against you. You were the only one she accused toDAY. Kath, you are not much safer, as she pegged you as Mytho. However, the village can only kill one person per day, and I believe that person will be Mormegil tomorrow. Which is why I've made a point to say how much of a wolf I think you are, early and often.

Is it agreed that we should sacrifice you tomorrow? Not all together, of course... I would say that Oro should vote for someone else. TGWBS, perhaps.

I'm almost positive that Holby is our Hunter (which, of course, is why I changed my vote.) She needs to stay alive, because if the villagers kill Morm tomorrow, and she pegs Kath, we're down to two. If she stays annoyingly alive, she has no power.

I don't think Gil or Nilp pose any problem at all. Their posts are sporatic and not particularly swaying. I don't believe either to be the Ranger.

That leaves us Firefoot and Durelin to kill tonight. Killing Footie would point to us protecting Oro, since she pegged her two days in a row. Plus she's so charmingly convinced that I'm innocent. I say that Durelin is our choice for tonight. That leaves the schedule like this:

NIGHT: Durelin

DAY: Mormegil

Score: 5 Villagers: 3 Werewolves

All they have to do is screw up once, and we win. We need to keep Holby alive though, or she can even the odds disturbingly. If we pick off TGWBS the next day (shouldn't be hard, given his endearlingly bad habit of defending the guilty and voting against innocents, plus brains and latent suspicion already against him), we win the next night.

How's that sound to you guys?

Originally Posted by mormegil

Sweet! We got the seer. I'm glad most of you distanced yourself from me. I find it odd though that Kitanna didn't outright proclaim herself when she was sure to be lynched. She never said that she was sure of me. It's unlikely that I'll survive tomorrow but there's a slim chance.

Originally Posted by morm

I think I may be able to wiggle out of this one. It's a very great uphill battle but I think I can possible swing it. I was looking over Kitanna's posts and she never said she's sure of me. Just had a bad feeling and that something doesn't sit right. If I were the seer and knew I would be lynched I would cry out so vocally that there would be no doubt that the wolf was guilty.

My defense will be to point out the holes and attempt to cast suspicion elsewhere. I will basically say what I said here but do it in more detail. I hope that either TGWBS or Firefoot come to my aid.

If it looks as if a sweeping majority will be coming against me than all should vote for me as to not stick out. But if there is doubt still in people's mind than one or two vote for me the other one or two attack the other person who is being blamed.

If I have time tonight I will prepare my defense and see if you can look it over.

Originally Posted by Fea

Morm, I'm not so sure. Even though she never explicitly stated you, she was rather finger-pointy on day one with three suspects, and day two she directly pointed you out, even going so far as to vote for you instead of someone else. Had she voted for Holby, for example, she could have possibly secured the death of a popular suspect. She didn't, which points to you.

If you think you can wriggle out, by all means, do it. However I labelled you today as the suspect I would have voted for, if I hadn't thought it crucial to avoid a tie, so I won't be backing down tomorrow. In order to keep up appearances, I do think I'll have to vote for you, Morm, even if I later revoke it.

I disagree. If we all vote together, the odds are higher that they'll catch us. After all, it's seemingly obvious that you're going to die, so why would a wolf go out of his/her way to vote against, and draw attention to his/herself? See what I mean? I'd rather see Kath vote for me, as she was pegged as a wolf/mytho, and I could call her on it, saying that she was trying to take an innocent down with her, since she knows she's going to die. The basic "Guys, you're going to listen to the last request of a WOLF!?" defense.

Originally Posted by Kath

Morm an explanation of how you're gonna get out of being lynched would be great as it will help us (or at least me) with how to act.

As for who should die tonight I would want to go with Durelin except that might put suspicion on me. Still, she was the only person to vote for me and I've a reasonable argument against her reasons for suspecting me so I'm happy to kill her.

Also, apologies for being around so little today. I would have been able to get online at school but due to illness I never went in.

Originally Posted by morm

No I would be highly suspect of somebody if everyone voted one way (me a wolf) except one person. I am saying if everybody voted me then you should too.

But I agree I am most likely dead and that you should attack me Feanor. Don't be too obvious of course. But I'm hoping (a fool's hope) that I may be able to wiggle my way out. I've at least got to try.

I would be reluctant to kill Firefoot. She seems to be on most of our sides. I can see a good defense in killing Durelin. Durelin voted Kath. Kitanna pointed out the Kath/Morm relationship and the possiblity of Kath being the Mythomaniac. Now,for Kath at least, it's a perfect set up by the wolves. That could be your defense especially after I die.

Any suggestions you can see that would help me would be appreciated.

Originally Posted by oro

Oh boy. I go away for a couple of hours and look what happens. Here I was all ready to tell you to vote for me after suspicion had been rather pinned on me earlier, to distance yourselves from me, but that doesn't seem necessary now.

I agree that we shouldn't kill Firefoot tonight. She's been on the side of most of you, other than me, so it wouldn't help you to have less support, and it would lok very guilty.

Killing Durelin seems like a good idea too. It would make it seem like Kath had been set up, and might also help to end suspicions that I'm working with her.

Out of all of this so far, Fea, you seem to be really the only one who's escaped any real suspicion. I guess nobody's willing to believe that Mith would choose such a prominent person as a wolf...

Originally Posted by Fea

Worry not, dear martyr. I'm good at being obvious about entirely the wrong things. You're safe from my mistakes. And it's not like they'll believe me even if I say "I know he's a wolf because I'm one also." I mean, I already told them that I'm a wolf like three times. Of course I only told them that because they wouldn't believe it... "If [s]he was tellin' the truth, [s]he wouldn't have told it!"

Good. Glad to see we're agreed.

So are we set on killing off Durelin tonight?

Um... Sorry buddy. I'm lost on that one. I honestly think you're sunk. You might want to play the frame up idea, but if Kath's to use it later, it might not be a good idea. Ooh, I've got something, maybe. Try getting people to come up with definitive evidence against you. If you make them work for the kill, they might give up just to save effort.

Originally Posted by oro

I agree. Go ahead once you hear from everybody else.

Originally Posted by morm

We're still forgetting who the guardian may be. I think it may be Durelin. But as Fea guessed Holbytlass may be the Hunter. Going on the assumption we could try and look back and she if there's anybody that she seems in league with.

Getting the guardian out of the way would be very helpful for the next night. Being as Firefoot voted her I'm inclined to think it's not her. Any other guesses?

Originally Posted by Kath

I'm happy with killing Durelin tonight.

Morm I don't really have any suspicions towards who the Guardian is. If it is Durelin then we get her out of the way tonight by voting for her, if it's someone else we have tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Fea

Okay. Durelin it is. Like Kath said, we've got a good shot of her being Guardian, and if not, there's always tomorrow. I'm PMing Mith. Talk to you guys tomorrow.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Here is a rough draft of my defense. Look it over please and see if it's coherent and if you would buy into it if you were innocent. Let me know before DAY starts please. Thank you and if I do die it's been a pleasure killing, plotting, and herding with you all. Fea's box is full

In post 87 Kitanna admits openly that her suspicions of me are mere speculation. She states that it’s nothing concrete she obviously didn’t dream about me. Post 95 Kitanna admits she is a moron. Apparently she lacks confidence in herself and her ideas. In the same thread she admitted that she had Gil-Galad pegged down as guilty which we know isn’t true. Point is the seer is not infallible In post 118 she knew she was probably going to die and how did she word her decision to vote for me? "I’m going to stick my foot further in my mouth". That to me doesn’t sound like somebody who is sure of herself. The only reason she gave to vote for me is because I gave Gil the benefit of the doubt and my suspicions of Kath have been put on the back burner due to others who I find more suspicious now. My defense for why I voted Kath and not Gil I have previously explained in post 121. Many have changed their minds on who to vote for. I wrote off Gil’s behavior to an overzealous innocent with a general lack of experience. I was correct many others weren’t. If deducing innocence and guilt is a cause for suspicion we may as well roll over and die and let the wolves take over. As far as my vote for Kath and lowering my suspicions of her I have explained that briefly but will do so in a bit more detail. When yesterday started I kept my eye on her and waited to see what she would do. Then I found some rather large areas of suspicion in Durelin and others. Shortly after some suspicious behavior was pointed out by Fea regarding Holbytlass. Now as TGWBS and I discussed consensus was important at this stage. Holbytlass had garnered some votes so I felt more confident in voting for her than Durelin, hoping that other might change their votes. I was still under the impression, until TGWBS pointed it out otherwise, that we needed a overall majority of 6 to ensure the lynching. Again I found Holbytlass and Durelin more suspicious than Kitanna and I was correct again in presuming innocence. Would that others had followed my lead and not lynched Kitanna. Holbytlass whether innocent or guilty is not as important to us as our precious seer is. Firefoot and Fea were rather Fickle in the matter and should be examined closely. It is puzzling to me that after TGWBS put out a plan to protect the seer Kitanna didn’t openly proclaim herself. Would we have believed her? I’m not sure, but if I were the seer and knew that I was heading for the gallows I would say with no room for doubt that I dreamt of so and so and he/she is guilty or innocent. She did neither. But merely suggested that she didn’t have a good feeling about me. If that alone isn’t enough evidence not to lynch me automatically then please read carefully I’m not saying don’t kill me today but don’t make it a rash decision based on inconclusive evidence from our seer. Look back at my actions and decide for yourself if they are suspicious or if I have been a contributing member to out village. I do not make it a habit to defend myself with great zeal but I found it necessary to prepare this during NIGHT so that I could have it ready at the start of the day, knowing that the wolves won’t want such an easy target out of the way for today’s lynchings.

Originally Posted by oro

I thought that was great,
morm. You probably would've had me convinced, although I'm not sure if it'll work on some of our more seasoned players. Best of luck to ye, and if you don't survive through tomorrow it's been great to play with you. It's nice to have more experienced players to help me along!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And one more night...

Originally Posted by Fea

tonight
Here are our options, and here is why each one should stay alive:

Holbytlass: She's our hunter. I'm quite sure of it. No point in having a wolf (presumably Kath) die along side her, when she doesn't need to die.

Gil-Galad: Perfectly innocent. We could kill him just for fun, but I've got a better idea.

Nilp: Same as Gil.

TGWBS: Perfectly innocent, but good at talking his way out of trouble. Unless the only one to suspect him (Firefoot) dies.

Firefoot: Also perfectly innocent, but very intelligent. Except for.. .you know... trusting me. That's just a bad judgement call on her part. Now listen: if we kill her off tonight, suspicion falls immediately to TGWBS, since she pointed him out today (I, of course, agreed with her).

If we kill off Firefoot, I'm still in the clear (why kill someone who trusts me?) and we can direct attention to TGWBS.

Worst case scenario: They don't go for it and Kath gets lynched. I'm still clear; Oro's still fairly clear.

Best case: it works, we win.

If you guys agree with me that Firefoot's our safest bet, than one of you needs to PM Mithalwen. I won't be back before tomorrow morning at the very earliest.

Originally Posted by Kath

I agree with Fea that we should kill Firefoot tonight. I will probably be lynched tomorrow no matter what but she is smart and suspected you Oro at the beginning. If we leave her alive much longer then with me out of the way she may turn back to you.

Obviously I'll do anything I can to get out of being killed tomorrow and if others start believing me it would be a great help if one of you two would support me in my campaign against TGWBS. Of course if I am basically being voted for from the first second then don't worry about it. I'll die!

Originally Posted by Oro

Firefoot is fine with me. Good luck tomorrow! Shall I go ahead and PM Mith then?

Originally Posted by Fea

Yes, PM Mith.

About TGWBS: I think it best if I lead the charge against him. Of the three of us, I'm the only one (God only knows how) that's avoided garnering any suspicion. Also, I've already stated doubts about him. I can subtley send out the idea and people will take me seriously. If Kath does it, they'll see "werewolf trick!". If Oro does, they won't know what to think, but they'll probably be sketched out. After it catches a little, if it catches, you guys jump in, but not to fast, savvy? I'd hate to lose the opportunity to win so cleanly and quickly.

If lynching TGWBS does NOT happen, Kath, you will likely die. I will not be trying to save you. I'm the "innocent" one, and I'm not keen on losing that status when it comes in terribly handy for swaying opinions ("Holby might be guilty on practically made up evidence that Fea had to scrounge to even find???! Let's change our votes!").

About Holbytlass: like I said, she needs to stay alive. If you check out voting patterns and statements, she's the only one that can be Hunter, whether she denies it or not. If I'm wrong, I can happily smack myself upside the head, but I doubt I am. TGWBS seconds my findings.

So if we kill Footie tonight, we've got a decent chance of taking out TGWBS tomorrow. Good luck, both of you. Here's a toast to our deceased comrade: go Morm! Way to die for the cause.