Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, folks. Very nice to be here. Erm, or maybe not?

Not that I expect to stay up late at this hour (even though it's nice to have the Day longer now), but...

So, can somebody sum up, at least for the time being, for the convenience of mine and of the others, what is it that happened here so far?

[Nogrod]

Anyway. Welcome to the kingdom of the gentle dead!

Let's hear you (and take your time to check our earlier discussions).

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So did the hunter act last Night or tonight? *Eyes Aganzir with a questionmark*

Well. If I wasn't the Hunter, there'd be a daytime assassin who just chose to murder the person I had voted for. And what an incredible shot of luck that I left Hunter clues in my first post!

[the phantom]

Legate- in summary....

Nog and I insistently suspect one another. We assume Agan is the Hunter. Green is PREY.

[Aganzir]

Also hahaha Rune! WHY are there so many dead Europeans?

Legate - sure. Greenie is an ordo, that's all.

So what are you folks?

[Rikae]

What? Three dead?

Also, I knew this would happen with everyone calling me innocent.

Off to read the thread.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Also, I knew this would happen with everyone calling me innocent.

Yeah, I recall you lamenting your innocent status yesterday and thought the same, heh heh. It's actually bad for an innocent or Wolf to be too innocent in this game what with the dueling packs...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Legate- in summary....

Nog and I insistently suspect one another. We assume Agan is the Hunter. Green is PREY.

Well that was generally what I wanted. Just some basic bare facts, I am probably going to read the whole thread, but totally not at this hour... hmm, or maybe I will. Anywayss...

Still a bit of a surprise, though not entirely unexpected, except... *scratches head*

Well. What now?

[the phantom]

I'm quite surprised Lommy wasn't the victim with Legate. I had this whole theory based on ethnic cleansing and such...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

i'm quite surprised lommy wasn't the victim with legate. I had this whole theory based on ethnic cleansing and such...

phantom!

[the phantom]

You probably would've said already, but- do either of you think you are here for a reason other than Wolf kill?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Legate- in summary....

Nog and I insistently suspect one another. We assume Agan is the Hunter. Green is PREY.

Well summarised.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Also hahaha Rune! WHY are there so many dead Europeans?

Legate - sure. Greenie is an ordo, that's all.

So what are you folks?

What are you, for that matter?

Originally Posted by Rikae

What? Three dead?

Also, I knew this would happen with everyone calling me innocent.

Off to read the thread.

Yeah, totally not surprised to see you here. A bit surprised to see Mac. And hm, so how many living villagers are out there now? This is quite dramatic.

[the phantom]

Ooo, ooo, it's happening!

Originally Posted by me

Just a funny thought- I dreamt that the WWs and village continued always killing the noisiest folks, Rikae, Boro, Mac, etc... So that the second half of the game was fewer pages than the first day, ha ha.

[Aganzir]

We're 9. There are still 15 warm people. It's statistically likely we have 1-2 wolves here now.

Also, I'm the Hunter.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by the phantom

You probably would've said already, but- do either of you think you are here for a reason other than Wolf kill?

Well, how should I put it. Upon learning that I was dead, I was like "yeah sure, I thought as much might happen". But upon reading the narration - here - seriously... I am actually curious now if I might be here for other reason.

Not much to make out of that, though, for the time being. Does anybody else have anything to say on that subject, for that matter?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Ooo, ooo, it's happening!

Hahaha! You know I think we both are natural seers because dead Europeans is also happening!

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

We're 9. There are still 15 warm people. It's statistically likely we have 1-2 wolves here now.

I think we had half of the wolves here already before you three newest people came in.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Well, how should I put it. Upon learning that I was dead, I was like "yeah sure, I thought as much might happen". But upon reading the narration - here - seriously... I am actually curious now if I might be here for other reason.

Not much to make out of that, though, for the time being. Does anybody else have anything to say on that subject, for that matter?

How about you put it this way:

My role is ___________________

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I think we had half of the wolves here already before you three newest people came in.

Hey what's that, a confession?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

We're 9. There are still 15 warm people. It's statistically likely we have 1-2 wolves here now.

Also, I'm the Hunter.

That was sorta the logical conclusion after yesterDay. Just checkin'.

Nobody of you claimed to be anything else special? (sorry for the questions, but faster to check this way than read the whole thread so we can still chat a bit before going to sleep, instead of me spending a hour rereading stuff)

[the phantom]

So Kitanna, Steve, Gwath, and now 3 night kills.

Compared to when I first viewed and considered the village dynamics, this is a worse scenario.

[the phantom]

Agan is the only special person we know/suspect at this point. But of course Mac has yet to speak, so we'll see.

What are you, Legate?

(And just fyi, Kuru posted a new rule on here that says you have to tell the truth once you are dead.)

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

"Where's my cake," came an unexpected voice.

Not AGAIN!!!!

Why is Legate here?!!!!!!!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Agan is the only special person we know/suspect at this point. But of course Mac has yet to speak, so we'll see.

What are you, Legate?

(And just fyi, Kuru posted a new rule on here that says you have to tell the truth once you are dead.)

Link please It just sounds like something you'd make up.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Nobody of you claimed to be anything else special?

Well, phantom claimed to be a lover.

Originally Posted by the phantom

(And just fyi, Kuru posted a new rule on here that says you have to tell the truth once you are dead.)

Yeah, it sucks.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Well, phantom claimed to be a lover.


Yeah, it sucks.

That doesn't make much sense anyway. Because why then do you have the whole role-revealing voting, if you can just ask and people have to tell you the truth? Like seriously?

Anyway, I am innocent.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Yeah, it sucks.

Kind of takes the bite out of our arguments...

Although there are rumors the rule wouldn't apply to the phantom.

[the phantom]

I suppose we ought to calm down with the posting and let the newly dead catch up? It's already looking like this is going to be the active thread now.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I suppose we ought to calm down with the posting and let the newly dead catch up? It's already looking like this is going to be the active thread now.

You're right. I'm off to sleep (on some decentish time for a while).

Good night and good luck for the early Day!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well actually I sorta skimmed through this thread already (really just skimmed), it turned out to be fairly fast though since lot that's been said looks like just fairly random short banter and all (at least people aren't posting several-paragraphed lengthy analyses. Well, but now *I* am here, mwa ha ha!).

Anyway, the only remark to what I've seen: sorry for probably making you waste your check-vote on Greenie (seems to me you did so because you thought I might be the Seer so she could be Wolf). For that matter, apologies Greenie for the suspicion, so you apparently were just enjoying yourself and being happy because of having lot of time to play, not because of being a Wolf. But all that said, still it's good because now we can be sure and all that. However, if we can choose (of course depending on what happens on the Living thread toDay), I really think you should have checked the phantom, and that's what I would put on the to-do list for the future.

[Nogrod]

One more thing that came to my mind while I was having a cigarette before going to sleep...

the phantom's little joke with claiming to be a lover just ten minutes before the DL kind of made me think about the issue in general. I'm too tired to think through all the ramifications myself now, but would like to bring the issue forth anyway for you others to consider - and well the future lover / ranger who comes here to consider.

The first thing that crossed my mind reading tp's "revealment" was kind of "of course, that's brilliant!" (well it would have made understandable his stubborness in connection with us possibly willing to check him as that would then have been in vain).

The clue sure would be that if the gifted didn't reveal us the gift s/he could observe us more "objectively" as no wolf among us would know to posture to the gifted in the right way. So s/he might get better knowledge out from this thread than if s/he revealed the gift to us (s/he could of course reveal sometime late - like tp "did", like after all voting is done or something).

But on the other hand, if the gifted told us of her/his gift, we could concentrate our efforts to help the village exactly on that D/N, and knowing the info we gather that D/N is the latest thing to go forwards, we could also think our decisions with that in sight.

So what do you think?

Surely it is up to the gifted to decide what to do, but we might help in thinking out some obvious problems in doing it either way - more minds find out more POV's than just one.


Okay, now to bed.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

at least people aren't posting several-paragraphed lengthy analyses. Well, but now *I* am here, mwa ha ha!).

Hahaha!

And don't worry I would have been onto Greenie even without you.

I'm now going to have a long-delayed date with my bed. Yaaay!

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The clue sure would be that if the gifted didn't reveal us the gift s/he could observe us more "objectively" as no wolf among us would know to posture to the gifted in the right way.

Yeah that's what I thought earlier that phantom might be doing (even if framing me as his lover wouldn't then have made sense). And I think it's a good idea. The seer should obviously reveal as soon as she comes here, but for the ranger and the lover, waiting would make a lot more sense. Then the wolves among us would never know when it's safe to be checked (not that it's ever safe, you know, but they could argue hard for other people on the night(s) the returning gifted is here).

Another idea - now that the thread is getting longer, should we put together a summary post for the newly deceased before each new phase starts? You know, telling the roles we know and the general ideas we have (such as what we've discussed above).

Okay actually bed now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Yeah that's what I thought earlier that phantom might be doing (even if framing me as his lover wouldn't then have made sense). And I think it's a good idea. The seer should obviously reveal as soon as she comes here, but for the ranger and the lover, waiting would make a lot more sense. Then the wolves among us would never know when it's safe to be checked (not that it's ever safe, you know, but they could argue hard for other people on the night(s) the returning gifted is here).

Another idea - now that the thread is getting longer, should we put together a summary post for the newly deceased before each new phase starts? You know, telling the roles we know and the general ideas we have (such as what we've discussed above).

Okay actually bed now.

That's what I thought might be helpful. That's what I'd do, anyway. Simply so you have at least something to work with once you are here, and then you can look at the rest more in detail, but aren't like "umm... hi guys... wait... I'll spend some time reading and then I'll be back..."

Anyway, bedtime for me too.

[Rikae]

Ok, bad news: I'm the seer.

Neutral? news: tp is innocent.

Good news: Mac is a wolf.

[Macalaure]

Two newly-deads and a bottle of wine. This will end well.

In other words, I'm here, and I'm ready and prepared to catch up on 6 pages of your nonsense!

Why did you guys not give out an extra vote yesterDay? You had one job!


edit: crossed with EVERYTHING!

[Rikae]

Also Boro, Lommy, Agan and Firefoot. No wolves.

Pretty bad seering, you guys. I'm terribly sorry. But why couldn't anybody have the common decency to suspect me? I'm always suspicious!

Not even you suspected me, Nog. I am disappoint.

EDIT: My next post, #239, at 9:36pm

Originally Posted by Me

Morm is looking creepy now. Why did I not look at him earlier? He was under the radar, which is weird for him, and now he comes out and starts steering things in... iffy directions. Grrr.

What do you think, Mac?

[Macalaure]

First: Sorry to Agan! I really did think you slipped, and then you acted the same way that I felt when I slipped some time ago. Should've listened to my gut and pushed a waggon against Lottie or Firefoot.

So Greenie is an ordo? Dang. For some reason, being hunter killed, I convinced myself you were a wolf during the Night, and Legate consequently the seer.

Do we know who was wolf-killed and who was special-role killed? If there is a good-aligned assassin in the game, I'd assume I was their kill. I don't see why any wolves would have targeted me last night.
So Legate and Rikae were wolf kills? Legate I understand - seer based the assumption that Greenie was on the other wolf team. And Rikae just because she was considered innocent by everyone?

Originally Posted by Rune

Also do Mac count as a dead European?

Jawohl!


Aaand here I was having fun reading the thread up until the very last post I had to catch up with.

You're the seer and you've dreamt me. Right. Nobody suspects you, and somewhere in the dead thread someone (forgot who) mentioned you could be the seer, so you snatch the opportunity. Well played. They're probably going to believe you for a good while, and depending on who the real seer is, and how innocent s/he is regarded, and how good s/he is at leaving a track, they might even continue to believe you over him/her.

You had to deliver them a wolf, of course, to be believable, and among the presently dead, I'm the most suspicious. Easy pick.
Agan and tp are innocent. Agan is virtually proven to be, and tp is extremely likely. And both are perfectly reasonable seer picks, of course.
Did you hide both your packmates among Boro, Lommy, and Firefoot? Would be bold, but why not? If one of them joins us at some point, the dead will not bother checking them.

As I said, well played.

[Rikae]

So sorry to spoil your fun, Mac. More wine?

At least tp and I can outweigh your vote at the deadline!

So anyway: I would very much like to check Legate, regardless of who joins us next. Between me and all of us, we get three roles, out of the unknowns Rune, Nog, Leggy & whoever.

Unless you want to confirm my role which would be understandable, I guess.

I hope the village manages to get their act together and vote early so we can empower intelligently...