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Telchar · 09-28-2002, 04:38 AM

No - as I said Lothiriel Silmarien is very close...

Isilya · 09-28-2002, 01:01 PM

They were all born in the third(?) age? I can't double check my answer right now, so this is a guess.

Telchar · 09-28-2002, 03:41 PM

you need to narrow it down a little Isilya [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] or anyone for that matter.

Isilya · 09-28-2002, 07:29 PM

They were all born in the same year?

Telchar · 09-29-2002, 01:51 PM

No they were not.
And secondly I wanna add that while guessing is good, its it should still be based on just the smallest amount of insight - if insight is out for lunch - then try research - it is allowed to use the books - actually I inspire it - thats the way to learn more - if your wild shots hit now and again then you will soon forget why and how - but if you read up and earn your right to ask the next question, I think you'll feel hust a little more proud of yourself.

Cheers Telchar [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Turambar · 10-09-2002, 12:38 PM

Telchar -- we seem to be stumped on this one.

Turambar · 10-09-2002, 01:01 PM

Were they all part of a "May-December" marriage (i.e. wife was much younger) ???

Telchar · 10-09-2002, 05:23 PM

hmmm It was that good either - but they were all born in the same decade 2900-2910 - anyone can take it from here...

Telchar · 10-14-2002, 02:09 PM

Somebody?? Please?

Lothiriel Silmarien · 10-14-2002, 06:05 PM

They were born within 3-4 years difference of each other.
Odo-1304
Drogo-1308
Gilraen-2907
Thengel-2905

Telchar · 10-15-2002, 12:21 AM

Yeah!!! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Go on! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Lothiriel Silmarien · 10-15-2002, 12:53 PM

[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
Rosie
Lothiriel
Melian
Arwen

Telchar · 10-15-2002, 02:21 PM

I have no clue at all [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] unless maybe that they all married the man of their dreams after he had finished the quest of his life? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Lothiriel Silmarien · 10-16-2002, 12:57 PM

Nope, but pretty close..

hobbitlass · 10-17-2002, 06:19 AM

They all married a man who became kings or rulers over their respective lands.

Lothiriel Silmarien · 10-17-2002, 12:56 PM

Yea. I was hoping that it would last for more than 2 guesses! Your turn [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

hobbitlass · 10-18-2002, 12:29 PM

Oh my heck, I'm right!? I hardly ever get these. But, Telchar is the one who got things rolling...thanks.
Since I wasn't expecting to have to go next, please give me till tomorrow morning. I have to do some research. Then if 7:00 a.m. (E.S.T) comes and I haven't posted, I relinquish my turn.
Thank you all.

hobbitlass · 10-18-2002, 01:00 PM

Theoden
Eomer
Merry
Sam
Beorn

hobbitlass · 10-22-2002, 08:04 AM

I'm bringing this up to the top with a hint. I get the feeling that I am jinxed and kill off topics.

All of them have a thing in common that they had out of their possesion, at least for awhile. Some with their permission some without their permission. The people can be grouped as follows...

Beorn
Sam
Eomer

Merry
Theoden (at first)

Telchar · 10-23-2002, 02:13 AM

I dont think you're jinxed hobitlass - but you do give us a hard question [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Im speechless.

hobbitlass · 10-23-2002, 02:28 PM

Actually, I'm not sure if it's hard or just lame. And holler (anyone) if another clue is needed.

Or the answer if everyone is bored with this one.

[ October 23, 2002: Message edited by: hobbitlass ]

hobbitlass · 10-25-2002, 05:35 AM

All right, I'm posting the answer so this game can go on (or get buried) cause I'm tired of checking back.

HORSES. They all had horses at one time or the other that was out of their "possesion" at least for awhile. Some with permission some without.

Eomer-lent Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas
Beorn-lent Gandalf and dwarves and Bilbo
Sam-let Bill the pony go at the mines of Moria

Merry-had horses stolen at the Prancing Pony
Theoden-(at first) Gandalf takes Shadowfax then Theoden gives Shadowfax to him freely.

Like I said, not sure if this was incredibly hard or incredibaly lame.

Turambar · 10-25-2002, 02:05 PM

It was a perfectly good question, hobbitlass - we shd have gotten it. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Lindolirian · 10-30-2002, 04:07 PM

It was a good question, but I also noticed that there were only three days in between the time of posting the original question and when you gave away the answer. Maybe you wouldn't be so "jinxed" if we had more time to think or to even visit the thread.

hobbitlass · 11-03-2002, 09:06 AM

I'm sorry, I guess I get too overzealous. What would be the proper time period?
Anyone can go ahead.

[ November 03, 2002: Message edited by: hobbitlass ]

Nevtalathiel · 11-03-2002, 11:35 AM

Ok, in that case I have one:

Luthien
Aragorn
Gil-Galad
The Ring
Elbereth
Snowmane
Frodo

[ November 03, 2002: Message edited by: Nevtalathiel ]

Lostgaeriel · 11-04-2002, 09:11 PM

There is a song or verse about each of these persons, beasts or things in The Lord of the Rings.

Song of Beren and Luthien
Riddle of Strider (Aragorn)
The Fall of Gil-Galad
Verse of the Ring(s)
Elven hymns to Elbereth Gilthoniel
Snowmane's Epitaph
Frodo of the Nine Fingers and the Ring of Doom (which isn't actually written out in the book)

The problem with this answer is that there were also songs or verses about other persons, beasts, monsters and things in tLotR, so the list could be continued to include Earendil, Durin, Nimrodel, Goldberry, etc. So I'm pretty sure I have the wrong answer.

Nevtalathiel · 11-05-2002, 11:37 AM

No, you are correct, I'm just too lazy to try and remember and then type out all the people/beasts/things who have verses associated with them [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Please proceed

Lostgaeriel · 11-08-2002, 11:04 PM

There is something in common linked to each of these clues. If I give you a straight list you'll have it in an instant. Even so...

My info is according to tLotR only.

one of the Three
the guards of the Court of the Fountain
Speak, friend and enter.
The days now are short. Either our hope cometh, or all hopes end. Therefore I send thee what I have made for thee.
'In his time the City was made more fair than it had ever been, even in the days of its first glory; and it was filled with trees and with fountains, and its gates ...'
'Here's a pretty hobbit-skin to wrap an elven-princeling in.'

ElentariGreenleaf · 11-09-2002, 07:32 AM

All said by Gandalf? (I just wanna know if I'm right or not. I wouldn't be able to think up one of these!) [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Lostgaeriel · 11-09-2002, 09:38 AM

No-o.

First of all, not all of the items in the list are quotes. They are just clues (riddles sorta) that will give you a list of 'Things' (not 'Persons, Beasts and Monsters' or 'Places').

If I actually named the Things, I think you would have the answer immediately. All are Things from The Lord of the Rings. And they have one Thing in common.

I think I should edit the list slightly:

one of the Three
the livery of the guards of the Court of the Fountain
Speak, friend and enter.
The days now are short. Either our hope cometh, or all hopes end. Therefore I send thee what I have made for thee.
"In his time the City was made more fair than it had ever been, even in the days of its first glory; and it was filled with trees and with fountains, and its gates were ------- -- ------- ..."
'Here's a pretty hobbit-skin to wrap an elven-princeling in.'

[ November 09, 2002: Message edited by: Lostgaeriel ]

Lindolirian · 11-09-2002, 01:44 PM

Mithril!!

Nenya?
The black and "Silver" livery of the Guard
the mithril on the doors of Moria
The Standard of Arwen with mithril in it.
The new gates were made of mithril
bilbo's/frodo's mithril coat.

mordor136 · 11-09-2002, 05:13 PM

Me thinks you got it

Lostgaeriel · 11-09-2002, 11:08 PM

Yes, Lindolirian, you got it. Each item was made of mithril (true-silver) or made with ithildin (which is made from mithril).

The Guard of the Citadel at the Court of the Fountain (and only there) wore helms made of mithril. Their surcoats may have been embroidered in true-silver - the text isn't specific in that.

The emblems and letters on Durin's Doors were made using ithildin or starmoon.

The new gates of the City were made of mithril and steel.

As far as I can find, the only other sure mention of mithril in the book is in Bilbo's Song of Earendil.

Well done. Go ahead.

Lindolirian · 11-11-2002, 06:51 PM

Yahoooooo!!!
easy one

Sauron
Aragorn
Denethor

Gwaihir the Windlord · 11-12-2002, 03:40 AM

Palantiri, they had all looked into a palintir at some stage.

Heh, it's all coming back to me...

Lindolirian · 11-13-2002, 04:16 PM

Yes, yes, I told you it was easy.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 11-14-2002, 12:09 AM

Took me some thought.

Arathorn
Boromir
Tar-Pharazon
Elrond

Similarly, ths should be rather an easy one.

[ November 14, 2002: Message edited by: Gwaihir the Windlord ]

Lindolirian · 11-14-2002, 12:05 PM

Do you mean Ar-Pharazon the Golden?

if so, they all were leaders in oppositions against Sauron.
Arathorn- Captain of the Northern Dunedain.
Boromir- Son of the Steward of Gondor.
Ar-Pharazon- King of Numenor, attacked and took Sauron prisoner.
Elrond- leader in the Last Alliance, and in the War of the Ring.

but then something truly easy would be that they are all offspring of Earendil.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 11-16-2002, 03:28 AM

Er yes sorry, Ar-Pharazon.

But nope, that wasn't what I was after.

09-28-2002, 04:38 AM	#201
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	No - as I said Lothiriel Silmarien is very close... __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

09-28-2002, 01:01 PM	#202
Isilya Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At the bottom of a black hole. Actually, it's quite nice. Hey, is that Elvis?! Posts: 136	They were all born in the third(?) age? I can't double check my answer right now, so this is a guess. __________________ In my opinion, Tolkien is a lot like Alexander Keith's: Those Who Like It, Like It A Lot!! Yay for Great Big Sea!! Aitken Centre, November 22

09-28-2002, 03:41 PM	#203
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	you need to narrow it down a little Isilya [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] or anyone for that matter. __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

09-28-2002, 07:29 PM	#204
Isilya Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: At the bottom of a black hole. Actually, it's quite nice. Hey, is that Elvis?! Posts: 136	They were all born in the same year? __________________ In my opinion, Tolkien is a lot like Alexander Keith's: Those Who Like It, Like It A Lot!! Yay for Great Big Sea!! Aitken Centre, November 22

09-29-2002, 01:51 PM	#205
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	No they were not. And secondly I wanna add that while guessing is good, its it should still be based on just the smallest amount of insight - if insight is out for lunch - then try research - it is allowed to use the books - actually I inspire it - thats the way to learn more - if your wild shots hit now and again then you will soon forget why and how - but if you read up and earn your right to ask the next question, I think you'll feel hust a little more proud of yourself. Cheers Telchar [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-09-2002, 12:38 PM	#206
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Telchar -- we seem to be stumped on this one. __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

10-09-2002, 01:01 PM	#207
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Were they all part of a "May-December" marriage (i.e. wife was much younger) ??? __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

10-09-2002, 05:23 PM	#208
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	hmmm It was that good either - but they were all born in the same decade 2900-2910 - anyone can take it from here... __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-14-2002, 02:09 PM	#209
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Somebody?? Please? __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-14-2002, 06:05 PM	#210
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	They were born within 3-4 years difference of each other. Odo-1304 Drogo-1308 Gilraen-2907 Thengel-2905 __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

10-15-2002, 12:21 AM	#211
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Yeah!!! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Go on! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-15-2002, 12:53 PM	#212
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Rosie Lothiriel Melian Arwen __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

10-15-2002, 02:21 PM	#213
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	I have no clue at all [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] unless maybe that they all married the man of their dreams after he had finished the quest of his life? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-16-2002, 12:57 PM	#214
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	Nope, but pretty close.. __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

10-17-2002, 06:19 AM	#215
hobbitlass Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: next to the fire keeping warm Posts: 471	They all married a man who became kings or rulers over their respective lands. __________________ Just because a person has the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

10-17-2002, 12:56 PM	#216
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	Yea. I was hoping that it would last for more than 2 guesses! Your turn [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

10-18-2002, 12:29 PM	#217
hobbitlass Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: next to the fire keeping warm Posts: 471	Oh my heck, I'm right!? I hardly ever get these. But, Telchar is the one who got things rolling...thanks. Since I wasn't expecting to have to go next, please give me till tomorrow morning. I have to do some research. Then if 7:00 a.m. (E.S.T) comes and I haven't posted, I relinquish my turn. Thank you all. __________________ Just because a person has the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

10-18-2002, 01:00 PM	#218
hobbitlass Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: next to the fire keeping warm Posts: 471	Theoden Eomer Merry Sam Beorn __________________ Just because a person has the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

10-22-2002, 08:04 AM	#219
hobbitlass Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: next to the fire keeping warm Posts: 471	I'm bringing this up to the top with a hint. I get the feeling that I am jinxed and kill off topics. All of them have a thing in common that they had out of their possesion, at least for awhile. Some with their permission some without their permission. The people can be grouped as follows... Beorn Sam Eomer Merry Theoden (at first) __________________ Just because a person has the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

10-23-2002, 02:13 AM	#220
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	I dont think you're jinxed hobitlass - but you do give us a hard question [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Im speechless. __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

10-23-2002, 02:28 PM	#221
hobbitlass Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: next to the fire keeping warm Posts: 471	Actually, I'm not sure if it's hard or just lame. And holler (anyone) if another clue is needed. Or the answer if everyone is bored with this one. [ October 23, 2002: Message edited by: hobbitlass ] __________________ Just because a person has the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

10-25-2002, 05:35 AM	#222
hobbitlass Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: next to the fire keeping warm Posts: 471	All right, I'm posting the answer so this game can go on (or get buried) cause I'm tired of checking back. HORSES. They all had horses at one time or the other that was out of their "possesion" at least for awhile. Some with permission some without. Eomer-lent Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas Beorn-lent Gandalf and dwarves and Bilbo Sam-let Bill the pony go at the mines of Moria Merry-had horses stolen at the Prancing Pony Theoden-(at first) Gandalf takes Shadowfax then Theoden gives Shadowfax to him freely. Like I said, not sure if this was incredibly hard or incredibaly lame. __________________ Just because a person has the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

10-25-2002, 02:05 PM	#223
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	It was a perfectly good question, hobbitlass - we shd have gotten it. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

10-30-2002, 04:07 PM	#224
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	It was a good question, but I also noticed that there were only three days in between the time of posting the original question and when you gave away the answer. Maybe you wouldn't be so "jinxed" if we had more time to think or to even visit the thread. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

11-03-2002, 09:06 AM	#225
hobbitlass Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: next to the fire keeping warm Posts: 471	I'm sorry, I guess I get too overzealous. What would be the proper time period? Anyone can go ahead. [ November 03, 2002: Message edited by: hobbitlass ] __________________ Just because a person has the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

11-03-2002, 11:35 AM	#226
Nevtalathiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The depths of delusion Posts: 374	Ok, in that case I have one: Luthien Aragorn Gil-Galad The Ring Elbereth Snowmane Frodo [ November 03, 2002: Message edited by: Nevtalathiel ] __________________ "You can go a long way with a smile. You can go even further with a smile and a gun." - Al Capone

11-04-2002, 09:11 PM	#227
Lostgaeriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto the Good Posts: 477	There is a song or verse about each of these persons, beasts or things in The Lord of the Rings. Song of Beren and Luthien Riddle of Strider (Aragorn) The Fall of Gil-Galad Verse of the Ring(s) Elven hymns to Elbereth Gilthoniel Snowmane's Epitaph Frodo of the Nine Fingers and the Ring of Doom (which isn't actually written out in the book) The problem with this answer is that there were also songs or verses about other persons, beasts, monsters and things in tLotR, so the list could be continued to include Earendil, Durin, Nimrodel, Goldberry, etc. So I'm pretty sure I have the wrong answer. __________________ Elen síla lúmenn’ omentielvo, a star shines on the hour of our meeting.

11-05-2002, 11:37 AM	#228
Nevtalathiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The depths of delusion Posts: 374	No, you are correct, I'm just too lazy to try and remember and then type out all the people/beasts/things who have verses associated with them [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Please proceed __________________ "You can go a long way with a smile. You can go even further with a smile and a gun." - Al Capone

11-08-2002, 11:04 PM	#229
Lostgaeriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto the Good Posts: 477	There is something in common linked to each of these clues. If I give you a straight list you'll have it in an instant. Even so... My info is according to tLotR only. one of the Three the guards of the Court of the Fountain Speak, friend and enter. The days now are short. Either our hope cometh, or all hopes end. Therefore I send thee what I have made for thee. 'In his time the City was made more fair than it had ever been, even in the days of its first glory; and it was filled with trees and with fountains, and its gates ...' 'Here's a pretty hobbit-skin to wrap an elven-princeling in.' __________________ Elen síla lúmenn’ omentielvo, a star shines on the hour of our meeting.

11-09-2002, 07:32 AM	#230
ElentariGreenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Look, I'm over there! Posts: 496	All said by Gandalf? (I just wanna know if I'm right or not. I wouldn't be able to think up one of these!) [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ There is a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot. Website\|Art

11-09-2002, 09:38 AM	#231
Lostgaeriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto the Good Posts: 477	No-o. First of all, not all of the items in the list are quotes. They are just clues (riddles sorta) that will give you a list of 'Things' (not 'Persons, Beasts and Monsters' or 'Places'). If I actually named the Things, I think you would have the answer immediately. All are Things from The Lord of the Rings. And they have one Thing in common. I think I should edit the list slightly: one of the Three the livery of the guards of the Court of the Fountain Speak, friend and enter. The days now are short. Either our hope cometh, or all hopes end. Therefore I send thee what I have made for thee. "In his time the City was made more fair than it had ever been, even in the days of its first glory; and it was filled with trees and with fountains, and its gates were ------- -- ------- ..." 'Here's a pretty hobbit-skin to wrap an elven-princeling in.' [ November 09, 2002: Message edited by: Lostgaeriel ] __________________ Elen síla lúmenn’ omentielvo, a star shines on the hour of our meeting.

11-09-2002, 01:44 PM	#232
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Mithril!! Nenya? The black and "Silver" livery of the Guard the mithril on the doors of Moria The Standard of Arwen with mithril in it. The new gates were made of mithril bilbo's/frodo's mithril coat. __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

11-09-2002, 05:13 PM	#233
mordor136 Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: snowboarding with Morgoth in the void Posts: 221	Me thinks you got it __________________ It's not A.D.D I'm just ignoring you. I'm like a super-hero with no powers or motivation

11-09-2002, 11:08 PM	#234
Lostgaeriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Toronto the Good Posts: 477	Yes, Lindolirian, you got it. Each item was made of mithril (true-silver) or made with ithildin (which is made from mithril). The Guard of the Citadel at the Court of the Fountain (and only there) wore helms made of mithril. Their surcoats may have been embroidered in true-silver - the text isn't specific in that. The emblems and letters on Durin's Doors were made using ithildin or starmoon. The new gates of the City were made of mithril and steel. As far as I can find, the only other sure mention of mithril in the book is in Bilbo's Song of Earendil. Well done. Go ahead. __________________ Elen síla lúmenn’ omentielvo, a star shines on the hour of our meeting.

11-11-2002, 06:51 PM	#235
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Yahoooooo!!! easy one Sauron Aragorn Denethor __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."