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Old 10-19-2003, 08:25 AM   #201
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Kuruharan has left the building!!!!!

He won't be back until the inevitable strikes the Ham Steep Resort & Casino.

However, Chrysophylax should be having some interesting times before that eventuality.
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Old 10-20-2003, 12:44 PM   #202
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Great posts, everybody!! I enjoyed them very much and wish I had time to go into detail but must make do with a summary "Well done, all!" for now. I'd appreciate a note from those of you who have subplots going that need some time and/or posts to finish them up, so that I can plan when to set up the cameo.
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Old 10-22-2003, 04:15 AM   #203
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I've posted the set-up for our guest cameo; all regular writers, please wait for it before posting.

And now, ladiiiies and gentlehobbits, introducing: (drrrruummmmmmrrrrrrrolllllllll)
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Old 10-22-2003, 02:15 PM   #204
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... but before that, a brief houskeeping matter. Grrralph has rejoined the Itship.
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Old 10-22-2003, 04:10 PM   #206
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On the other hand, you have been known to run through the streets in speedos.

By the way, someone will need to fix the Travest-O-Metre™, Mith's smutty mind shattered it...

...again. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 10-22-2003, 09:38 PM   #208
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Actually, make that two pieces of unfinished business. I'd meant to get back and finish off my last post earlier, but circumstances prevented. (Darn school!)

My apologies for my tardiness.
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Old 10-23-2003, 07:43 AM   #209
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If there is any objection to my post and its innuendo, I will gladly modify it. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 10-23-2003, 09:04 AM   #210
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Well, well, well - it seems that the request not to post is inspiring to some people! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] That's fine as long as it fits in, but please don't get to the climax without giving our guest a chance to take part! As I originally requested, no fleeing, destruction etc. These posts may need some editing later.
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Old 10-23-2003, 11:09 AM   #211
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As Esty had requested, I posted Gateskeeper's takeover of the Glitzy Caverns. Where, o where is our cameo?
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Old 10-24-2003, 07:55 PM   #212
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Hiya all!

Here's finally the long expected cameo appearance by moi! Sorry it took awhile; and another sorry for that my characters are so poorly described in the first post (that's due to pure laziness, at the moment). Also hope I handled Mr. Gateskeeper ok in my post...

Here are the character descriptions for Mord and the Broom:

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Character #1: Mordaenárur (aka Mord)

Race: Balfrog

Age: When asked about his age he raises three of his fiery fingers. Meaning of this gesture is uncertain: it’s speculated that A) he has never learned to count further than three or B) he’s (approximately) three Ages old.

Personality, appearance and background: Mordaenárur is, like every decent balfrog, a fiery spirit wrapped in shadow and flame. Maybe vaguely man-shaped but definitely not man-sized; beastly face, horny head and huge nostrils, as even the illiterates know to tell – though none now live who has actually seen him. Yes, Mord is quite an ordinary, thus nearly unbeatable, balfrog indeed, save for one thing: Alas! the poor devil has lost his wings.

How this disastrous deprivation actually came to pass is a total mystery to himself as to everyone else too: one fine morning he just woke up to the knowledge that he had no wings. The Wise deemed it highly debatable if he had had those things in the first place but to Mord that speculation was of no comfort. He felt, and still feels utterly…broken.

This wing-thing occasions a severe inferiority complex whenever Mord sees a flying creature and his methods of bolstering his low self-esteem are quite questionable, to say the least. (If I were a winged whatever I’d keep my distance to him.)

But why should the Itship be interested in Mord the Mighty-yet-Miserable? Well: because of his broom! For here indeed is one part of the Ent-That-Was-Broken – the Entish Broom-That-Was-Lost!

Character #2: The Broom

Race: formerly known as Ent

Age: the broom’s or the Ent’s?

Personality, appearance and background: The Broom was made from a shard of the Ent-That-Was-Broken by the cruel Orcs. But worse was still to come. The Orcs took the Broom to their lord Sourone who immediately had a devilish idea:

“Bring the slave to me! Bring her here!” he screamed and soon she had been brought in front of him – the Entwife! Sourone chuckled at his own malice and said to her;

“Here’s your groom…I mean broom.” After some more giggling - and whacking some orcs that had dared not to laugh at his nifty witticism - Sourone added; “Now get to work! This place needs a good sweeping!”

The Entwife was shocked, aghast, terrified beyond all measure. Bitter fate it seemed to her to get back his loved one, in pieces. She tried to talk to the Broom but it couldn’t answer - after all it was the Ent’s leg (Or have you ever heard of a talking leg?? ---Er..never mind…). All this was too much for her to bear and soon she developed a drinking problem which eventually led to her death (Never wondered why Moredough is such a dry place? Well, now you know…).

The Broom was forgotten for a while; till Sourone found new use for it. For he had learned about the Balrog that-lost-his-wings and he deemed as his duty to send the poor creature a ‘Get better soon!’ –gift.

And so they came together: Mordaenárur and the Broom. But their tale would have been a whole lot different if Mord’s friend – the Whizz-King of Angstbar - had not been in the neighborhood. As it happened he was familiar with the Entish Broom –lore and taught Mord the magic words that soon proved very useful. “Fly you broom!” he commanded and behold! A shiver, faint like a soft summer breeze in the boughs, went through the former Ent and slowly, very slowly (you know how slowly I mean), it rose into the air.

Mord was happy, very happy; happy like he had not been since the terrible morning when he realized his wings were gone. For now he could fly again! (Again, he was sure though he had no memory of flying – the poor, amnesic creature…) The virgin voyage was not exactly a succès fou as Mord tried to mount the Broom all fiery and flaming. And it was then that he learned the magic words had had other effects as well as the worthy Broom now turned out to be a very wordy Broom (with an infinite supply of rather questionable and most commonly ill-timed “wise” sayings and a liking for musicals, especially by Androgyne Boyd Pepper. And wait till you see him twist! You’ll surely get swept off your feet…).

“No Master, please don’t Master!” the Broom squeaked like the knees of an old treeish Ent (for it had not been a very brave Ent-foot in the first place); “For if you should do that I would burn! Burn to ashes! Flying ashes make no good mattress as the saying goes, nor are they any good to bear You. So You wouldn’t want to burn me, would You, Master?”

Mord was so amazed to hear the Broom speak that his fires were quenched. And the Broom was so grateful that ever after its deepest desire was to fly the Master wherever he wished to go. A beautiful, overcoming-all-obstacles-and-staying-faithful-till-the-bitter-end –kind of friendship had begun.
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Old 10-24-2003, 09:09 PM   #213
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Ahh, the new victim...I mean guest! Welcome! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Welcome indeed, Annun, and thanks for a wonderful first post!! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] You're a great addition to the writing crew here, and reading about your characters is going to be lots of fun! You have managed to come up with a new name for the Itship, handled Gatesy very well, and tied your plotline to Part One - that's a lot for one post! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]
We look forward to more.

Unless someone lets me know that they want to post now - thanks, Kuru, for setting up the situation with Chrys - I'll continue this storyline with a post within a day or two.

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Old 10-27-2003, 03:08 PM   #215
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The confrontation has started; now those who wish to add posts for their characters may do so before the final scene. ("final" only for this location, of course - don't worry - the quest goes on!)
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Old 10-28-2003, 08:36 PM   #216
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A belated welcome to the mayhem, Annun. It's good to see you here. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] And a great first post, if I may say so. Môgul was worried that he may have left a Balfrog lying around somewhere. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 10-29-2003, 01:10 AM   #217
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I've filled in my save. There's a nice, lil four-way going on on the bridge now...with a dwarf! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]
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Please pardon the intrusion, but I found a most essential reference link for all engaged in romance parodies. It is most suitable, I think, for Gondor.


Tongue in Cheek Parodies Inc

Please continue.

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As is my usual habit, I am creating messes for others to clean.

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1420!

Thanks for the welcomes! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] And for the cue, Kuru; I'll fill in my save tomorrow, or latest the day after that (to learn why only then check the Breelanders All! -discussion thread in the Shire... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] ).

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Saucepan Man, please check your PMs. I stand ready to edit my post per our discussions.

Looking forward to your next post, Annun!
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At the request of Saucepan Man, I have made a "minor" (hee hee) change to the end of my last post. The change is purely stylistic in nature and will have no effect upon the RPG as it goes forward. *crosses fingers.
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Bravo! A fine post! And I haven't seen so many loose ends in one place together in many an age.
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Wonderful post, Annun, and worth waiting for! I especially enjoyed the footnotes - and Ardavision has an annual song contest?! You summed everything up so well that we can move on from there.

Birdie, do you want the Dwarfling to stay with us for awhile?

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Thanks Mith and Esty!

But there was one detail in my post that needed editing; I totally forgot that Kuruharan was supposed to be quite elsewhere. Luckily Kuru remembered this himself ( [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ) and informed me about it. But the box office is still there; the founder just changed...

The next poster? Well... Kuru??? [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

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Excellent free-fallin' battle, Annun. My heart was in my throat, wondering who would come out on top. Oh, wait...sorry, just a hair. (Cough! Hack!)

Esty, Norni is up for grabs for anyone who would like to use him. He's a cute lil' fella, ain't he? And I like to say his name: Nor-NEEEE!

Poor Norni ain't the brightest bulb in the bunch, but he is an excellent driver, and is good at counting cards.
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OK, here's the current status of the Conglomerateship:

All are present, except for Kuru - and just how did Gatesy manage to get there in his chair? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] An explanation might be in order... Chrys will be hurt and need help, I presume. Norni, Mord, and the Broom may wish to continue on with us, but first:

Kuru, you have planned something for the fortress, so we shall wait for that before travelling on. Please let me know when you plan to post.

After that, preferably early next week, we will move on toward the Forest of Canned Corn. Unless someone else wishes to carry on with that part of the plot (please let me know if that's the case), I will write a post that explains why we are going there.
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Okay. I think I managed to rescue everyone, but if I accidentally left somebody to drown please let me know so I can fix it.

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and just how did Gatesy manage to get there in his chair?
He sat in Lord Dimli's chair and it was too small for him.

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That I know, silly! [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] But how do you maneuver your way out of a fortress stuck in a chair?

A question - does anyone want to take up Birdie's offer on the Dwarfling? If I am to include him in Merisu's nose count, he needs to have a writer. Volunteers (that includes you, Birdie, if you want to keep him going) please PM me ASAP. Thanks! I will attempt to have my post finished within a day or so...
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I've gotten the Itship on its way to Canned Corn Forest - now I can relax, sit back and wait to enjoy all of your posts! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]
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Cheerio. All these posts have been so funny and used my characters so well I see no reason why I should have to bother writing for them. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] Actually I just haven't had much time. But sometime soon I will have to write a proper sea chanty....

Anyway, I just need some clarification... the Forest of Canned Corn is Fangorn, right?
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Great posts, guys! Wish I had time to go into detail, but I enjoyed them all and am now looking forward to the filling of the saves...
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I have filled in my save. I apologize for the delay, but the deep philosphical import and literary quality of my post required considerable thought.

*Mithadan turns and walks away whistling a song familiar to many cartoon afficianados. I'm so goony, looney tuney, touched in the head...
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Yay! Middle Earth will soon have it's own version of Extreme Makeover. Now if we could only get a little "Elf Eye for the Straight Guy" action going.

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I've filled in my save. I've never actually watched a makeover show on TV or anything, so I had to wing it.
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