Family Tree Trivia - Page 6 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Thorongil · 03-22-2004, 11:30 AM

Ok, lets try this...
What is the relationship between Thorin II and Gimli?

luthien-elvenprincess · 03-22-2004, 12:14 PM

third cousins, once removed.

Thorongil · 03-23-2004, 12:19 AM

Yup.
(Now I understand the removed thingy

)

luthien-elvenprincess · 03-23-2004, 07:18 AM

What is Hathol to Arwen?

NightKnight · 03-23-2004, 07:42 AM

Hathol is Arwen's great great great great great grandfather.

luthien-elvenprincess · 03-23-2004, 07:49 PM

Yep, Nightknight...your spin

NightKnight · 03-24-2004, 01:32 AM

I happen to know Arwen's family tree quite a way back.

Anyway, what was Celebrimbor to Elrond?

Thorongil · 03-24-2004, 03:12 AM

I don't have the family tree right now, but I'll give it a shot: second cousin, once removed?

Firefoot · 03-24-2004, 02:41 PM

second cousins, twice removed?

luthien-elvenprincess · 03-24-2004, 08:45 PM

or third cousins, in-law

NightKnight · 03-25-2004, 11:48 AM

Firefoot has it.

Luthien, could you explain that?

Firefoot · 03-25-2004, 06:19 PM

Give both ways that Túrin and Tuor were related.

symestreem · 03-25-2004, 06:42 PM

Turin's maternal grandfather was Tuor's maternal grandfather's brother; their fathers were brothers.
So, you could say that they were first and second cousins.

Firefoot · 03-25-2004, 06:51 PM

Yes. Go ahead.

luthien-elvenprincess · 03-26-2004, 07:35 AM

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or third cousins, in-law

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Luthien, could you expain that?

Elrond was married to Celebrian. Celebrian and Celebrimbor were third cousins. (or half cousins).
Finwe>Feanor>Curufin>Celebrimbor.
Finwe>Finarfin>Galadriel>Celebrian (married to Elrond).

NightKnight · 03-27-2004, 05:49 AM

Ah, yes. Now I see. Thanks.

symestreem · 03-27-2004, 02:01 PM

Serinde's husband's son's daughter's son's lover's friend was the ancestor of _______.

alaklondewen · 03-27-2004, 03:05 PM

I'm thinking either Galador, the first Lord of Amroth, or further down the line and more debatable...Imrahil. Here is my line of thinking:

Serinde married Finwë, who's son was Finarafin, who's daughter was Galadriel. Now it has been proposed that Amroth was Galadriel and Celeborn's son (some controversy over that, but some places do claim it). Amroth's "lover" was Nimrodel, who had Mithrellas as a friend and maiden. Mithrellas, in turn, bore Galador. There are two proposed heritages of the Princes of Dol Amroth, and lineage from Galador is one of them. If that is the case, then Mithrellas would also be an ancestor of Imrahil.

Or, it could be that I am completely off on all accounts.

symestreem · 03-27-2004, 03:23 PM

It's the former; any one in the line of Dol Amroth would do. Go ahead!

alaklondewen · 03-28-2004, 07:14 AM

Thanks, symestreem.

Her brother's grandson's wife's grandmother sang for Morgoth.

symestreem · 03-28-2004, 09:36 AM

This is like one of those backwards arithmetic problems...
Is it Aredhel?

The Perky Ent · 03-28-2004, 09:49 AM

symestreem, if the answer is Aredhel, then it would be Luthien who sung for Morgoth. I know she sung for Mandos, but i don't recall her singing for Morgoth. If she did, i must reread, but otherwise, it's wrong.....i think.

alaklondewen · 03-28-2004, 10:04 AM

Symestreem is right. Here is the passage:

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[Luthien] was not daunted by his eyes; and she named her own name, and offered her service to sing before him, after the manner of a minstrel....Then suddenly she eluded his sight, and out of the shadows began a song of such surpassing loveliness, and of such blinding power, that he listened perforce; and a blindness came upon him, as his eyes roamed to and fro, seeking her.

She did indeed sing for Morgoth. She sang so powerfully that she was able to lull him into a dream.

The Perky Ent · 03-28-2004, 10:07 AM

Oh right! I was un aware how she got Morgoth into a deep slumber! Sorry! But she did sing for Mandos! So i get 1/2 points for that!

symestreem · 03-30-2004, 08:45 AM

What was Chica Chubb's father-in-law's youngest brother's eldest grandson's wife's mother's mother's maiden name?

NightKnight · 03-30-2004, 03:13 PM

Adamanta Chubb?

symestreem · 04-01-2004, 01:01 PM

Yep!

NightKnight · 04-01-2004, 04:12 PM

Who was Tuor's wife's mother's father-in-law's younger brother's youngest son?

symestreem · 04-01-2004, 07:40 PM

Tricksy, NightKnight!
Is it Aegnor?

NightKnight · 04-02-2004, 03:52 AM

'Tis indeed. And I like being tricksy.

symestreem · 04-05-2004, 02:52 PM

Olwe's sister-in-law's son-in-law's father's elder nephew's daughter's cousin's husband's younger uncle's grandson was _______.

It seems that on these family trees, the eldest sibling is the farthest left. The youngest is on the far right.

Firefoot · 04-05-2004, 04:04 PM

Brandir the Lame.

symestreem · 04-05-2004, 05:19 PM

Yes.
These family trees are so twisted. Turin killed his something-cousin, and Brandir wanted to marry his.

Firefoot · 04-06-2004, 08:15 AM

Holman Cotton's first grandson's wife's youngest brother's sixth child's father-in-law's aunt's husband's father's youngest daughter's grandfather-in-law's oldest brother's fourth child's son.

Have fun!

Thorongil · 04-06-2004, 08:30 AM

I'm probably way off, but...Odo Brownfoot?

Firefoot · 04-06-2004, 08:45 AM

Do you mean "Odo Proudfoot?" I don't know of any "Brownfoots", but Odo Proudfoot is correct.

Thorongil · 04-07-2004, 03:01 AM

Well, sorry about that. It's difficult with norwegian names for those hobbits. A lot of weird translations. Well anyway...

Frodo Baggins's mother's oldest brother's son's wife's grandfather's wife's father's youngest brother's great grandson is...

I liked these family trees.

Firefoot · 04-07-2004, 06:09 AM

Frodo.

Thorongil · 04-07-2004, 07:51 AM

Yup

Firefoot · 04-07-2004, 08:53 AM

Tar-Aldarion's oldest aunt's grandfather's aunt's father's niece's three known great-great-grandfathers are...

03-22-2004, 11:30 AM	#201
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 780	Ok, lets try this... What is the relationship between Thorin II and Gimli? __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu

03-22-2004, 12:14 PM	#202
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	third cousins, once removed. __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

03-23-2004, 12:19 AM	#203
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 780	Yup. (Now I understand the removed thingy ) __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu

03-23-2004, 07:18 AM	#204
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	What is Hathol to Arwen? __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

03-23-2004, 07:42 AM	#205
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Hathol is Arwen's great great great great great grandfather. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-23-2004, 07:49 PM	#206
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	Yep, Nightknight...your spin __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

03-24-2004, 01:32 AM	#207
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	I happen to know Arwen's family tree quite a way back. Anyway, what was Celebrimbor to Elrond? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-24-2004, 03:12 AM	#208
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 780	I don't have the family tree right now, but I'll give it a shot: second cousin, once removed? __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu

03-24-2004, 02:41 PM	#209
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	second cousins, twice removed?

03-24-2004, 08:45 PM	#210
luthien-elvenprincess Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: what are you doing here? did you come here to eat my popcorn? Posts: 1,031	or third cousins, in-law __________________ York Peppermint Patties taste better than Pearson's Peppermint Patties! But, Junior Mints are the best!

03-25-2004, 11:48 AM	#211
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Firefoot has it. Luthien, could you explain that? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-25-2004, 06:19 PM	#212
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Give both ways that Túrin and Tuor were related.

03-25-2004, 06:42 PM	#213
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Turin's maternal grandfather was Tuor's maternal grandfather's brother; their fathers were brothers. So, you could say that they were first and second cousins.

03-25-2004, 06:51 PM	#214
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Yes. Go ahead.

03-27-2004, 05:49 AM	#216
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Ah, yes. Now I see. Thanks. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-27-2004, 02:01 PM	#217
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Serinde's husband's son's daughter's son's lover's friend was the ancestor of _______.

03-27-2004, 03:05 PM	#218
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	I'm thinking either Galador, the first Lord of Amroth, or further down the line and more debatable...Imrahil. Here is my line of thinking: Serinde married Finwë, who's son was Finarafin, who's daughter was Galadriel. Now it has been proposed that Amroth was Galadriel and Celeborn's son (some controversy over that, but some places do claim it). Amroth's "lover" was Nimrodel, who had Mithrellas as a friend and maiden. Mithrellas, in turn, bore Galador. There are two proposed heritages of the Princes of Dol Amroth, and lineage from Galador is one of them. If that is the case, then Mithrellas would also be an ancestor of Imrahil. Or, it could be that I am completely off on all accounts. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

03-27-2004, 03:23 PM	#219
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	It's the former; any one in the line of Dol Amroth would do. Go ahead!

03-28-2004, 07:14 AM	#220
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Thanks, symestreem. Her brother's grandson's wife's grandmother sang for Morgoth. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

03-28-2004, 09:36 AM	#221
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	This is like one of those backwards arithmetic problems... Is it Aredhel?

03-28-2004, 09:49 AM	#222
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	symestreem, if the answer is Aredhel, then it would be Luthien who sung for Morgoth. I know she sung for Mandos, but i don't recall her singing for Morgoth. If she did, i must reread, but otherwise, it's wrong.....i think. __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

03-28-2004, 10:07 AM	#224
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Oh right! I was un aware how she got Morgoth into a deep slumber! Sorry! But she did sing for Mandos! So i get 1/2 points for that! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

03-30-2004, 08:45 AM	#225
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	What was Chica Chubb's father-in-law's youngest brother's eldest grandson's wife's mother's mother's maiden name?

03-30-2004, 03:13 PM	#226
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Adamanta Chubb? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-01-2004, 01:01 PM	#227
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Yep!

04-01-2004, 04:12 PM	#228
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	Who was Tuor's wife's mother's father-in-law's younger brother's youngest son? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-01-2004, 07:40 PM	#229
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Tricksy, NightKnight! Is it Aegnor?

04-02-2004, 03:52 AM	#230
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	'Tis indeed. And I like being tricksy. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-05-2004, 02:52 PM	#231
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Olwe's sister-in-law's son-in-law's father's elder nephew's daughter's cousin's husband's younger uncle's grandson was _______. It seems that on these family trees, the eldest sibling is the farthest left. The youngest is on the far right.

04-05-2004, 04:04 PM	#232
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Brandir the Lame.

04-05-2004, 05:19 PM	#233
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Yes. These family trees are so twisted. Turin killed his something-cousin, and Brandir wanted to marry his.

04-06-2004, 08:15 AM	#234
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Hobbit Family Trees! Holman Cotton's first grandson's wife's youngest brother's sixth child's father-in-law's aunt's husband's father's youngest daughter's grandfather-in-law's oldest brother's fourth child's son. Have fun!

04-06-2004, 08:30 AM	#235
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 780	I'm probably way off, but...Odo Brownfoot? __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu

04-06-2004, 08:45 AM	#236
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	Do you mean "Odo Proudfoot?" I don't know of any "Brownfoots", but Odo Proudfoot is correct.

04-07-2004, 03:01 AM	#237
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 780	Well, sorry about that. It's difficult with norwegian names for those hobbits. A lot of weird translations. Well anyway... Frodo Baggins's mother's oldest brother's son's wife's grandfather's wife's father's youngest brother's great grandson is... I liked these family trees. __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu