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Urwen · 03-27-2019, 02:14 PM

Legolas?

Pervinca Took · 03-27-2019, 02:22 PM

No to Legolas. Nice idea, though. I suppose he'd have dwindled eventually had he not sailed west.

Pasting it here because we are on a new page:

Unhappy once, I now am blessed.
Whate'er you think, I do not jest!
Since friendship is a gift divine
I dwindle, but I do not pine.

Urwen · 03-27-2019, 02:30 PM

Treebeard?

Pervinca Took · 03-27-2019, 02:50 PM

No.

Urwen · 03-28-2019, 03:40 AM

Frodo?

Pervinca Took · 03-28-2019, 03:51 AM

Nope.

A nice thought, though, (apart from the dwindling).

Urwen · 03-28-2019, 04:05 AM

What does 'dwindle' mean in this context? Someone who lingers behind or someone who withers?

Pervinca Took · 03-28-2019, 04:52 AM

That's for you to work out.

I will say, though, that it is not an elvish kind of dwindling, and the answer, too, is not an elf.

Look at the dictionary definition of 'dwindling.' I have used it quite literally.

Urwen · 03-28-2019, 04:57 AM

If we go by dictionary definition of dwindling, then it's 'I will diminish and go to the West' Nerwen

Pervinca Took · 03-28-2019, 04:59 AM

Nope.

Not an elf. (See my notes, above).

Urwen · 03-28-2019, 05:01 AM

Theoden?

Pervinca Took · 03-28-2019, 05:06 AM

Not a man either.

Urwen · 03-28-2019, 05:09 AM

Gollum?

Pervinca Took · 03-28-2019, 05:12 AM

No.

I suppose he kind of finds a friend in Frodo, but he doesn't stop pining for the Ring, and I don't think he becomes fully happy. Maybe in the last few seconds of his life?

Urwen · 03-28-2019, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pervinca Took

No.

I suppose he kind of finds a friend in Frodo, but he doesn't stop pining for the Ring, and I don't think he becomes fully happy. Maybe in the last few seconds of his life?

I was talking about his friendship with Deagol, actually.

Anyway, Bilbo?

Pervinca Took · 03-28-2019, 05:28 AM

Well, he wasn't dwindling at that point.

Not Bilbo either.

Urwen · 03-28-2019, 05:44 AM

Sam?

Pervinca Took · 03-28-2019, 05:59 AM

No.

There is a hobbit connection, but the answer is not a hobbit.

Urwen · 03-28-2019, 06:23 AM

I assume it's an object then.

The One Ring?

Pervinca Took · 03-28-2019, 06:54 AM

No. It's living.

Urwen · 03-28-2019, 07:11 AM

Bill the Pony?

Pervinca Took · 03-28-2019, 08:15 AM

No.

Urwen · 03-28-2019, 08:31 AM

Well, nothing else is coming to me, and that drives me crazy.

Pervinca Took · 03-28-2019, 09:06 AM

Let's give it a bit longer, until our friends over the pond are awake and have had a chance. Then I'll give another hint.

There's always the password thread!

Galadriel55 · 03-28-2019, 11:33 AM

Not an Elf, not a Man, not a Hobbit, but living. Tom Bombadil! Though I'm not sure he was ever unhappy.

Pervinca Took · 03-28-2019, 11:42 AM

Big hint now for everyone: think POETRY.

Which is perhaps a good reason *not* to think of Bombadil, (who is not the answer).

Pervinca Took · 03-28-2019, 12:14 PM

And because it's now quite far up the page:

Unhappy once, I now am blessed.
Whate'er you think, I do not jest!
Since friendship is a gift divine
I dwindle, but I do not pine.

Urwen · 03-28-2019, 01:06 PM

As in, Tolkien poems? There are a lot of those......

Urwen · 03-28-2019, 01:14 PM

Eureka! It's the Troll!

Quote:

and smaller the old Troll seemed to be,
as he grew more and more.

Pervinca Took · 03-28-2019, 04:40 PM

Perfect - that's the exact quotation I was thinking of, too!

It's the troll from 'Perry-the-Winkle.'

The hobbit connection is the hobbits in the poem, and the fact that Bilbo probably wrote it, (I think). (Although thinking about it, it mentions the Lockholes, which I am not sure existed as such before around the Scouring, so maybe Sam wrote it?)

I said a 'living thing,' although I suppose the characters in the poem are fictions *within* Tolkien's fiction.

Urwen · 03-28-2019, 05:28 PM

Here's a little ditty I made up on the spot

Now we ride into the battle
And into the red morn
Our armors clink and rattle
Followed by sound of the horn

We wouldn't listen to their warning
For this is our choice to make
And with the dawn of the morning
This is the path we'll take

A creature of darkness stands in our path
He's tall and he brings fear
Large is his wrath
But it'll all end right here

We'll hold our own
And follow the words of old
We'll bring the enemy down
As the prophecy foretold

Pervinca Took · 03-28-2019, 05:53 PM

The Rohirrim, and the prophecy regarding the Witch-King?

Urwen · 03-28-2019, 06:10 PM

Close, but not that. It's, shall I say, more selective than that.

Huinesoron · 03-29-2019, 03:42 AM

Eowyn and Merry specifically, during the Pelennor? They were both warned against going to war, but chose to do so anyway, and it was their actions that destroyed the Witch-King.

hS

Urwen · 03-29-2019, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Eowyn and Merry specifically, during the Pelennor? They were both warned against going to war, but chose to do so anyway, and it was their actions that destroyed the Witch-King.

hS

Perfect. ^^

Huinesoron · 03-29-2019, 08:02 AM

Quote:

I am Gold.
I take what I want, looking ever higher:
From the centre
To the east
Even to the west.
In the end I claim my desire, and am forgotten.
I am Gold.

I am Bejewelled.
I stride the decks, secure in my pride.
I claim blood
For my blood;
In blood I fall.
In the end my heirs are lesser and greater than I.
I am Bejewelled.

I am Wolf.
I claim a hand; I claim a throne.
I am denied,
I return,
I rule the winter long.
In the end I fall, avenging son slain by avenging son.
I am Wolf.

You may find multiple characters along the way, but the answer to the riddle is one word that links the three verses together.

hS

Pervinca Took · 03-29-2019, 08:19 AM

I wonder if Bejewelled is Ar-Pharazon and Wolf is Carcharoth.

Huinesoron · 03-29-2019, 08:33 AM

No and no. Ar-Pharazon had no heirs, and... actually Carcharoth would work quite well for the Wolf text if 'avenging son' was metaphorical, but it's not him.

hS

Urwen · 03-29-2019, 10:08 AM

Gold=Maglor?

And if I am right about the other two, then the riddle answer is Silmaril.

Huinesoron · 03-29-2019, 10:18 AM

Not Maglor or Silmaril in this case.

hS

03-27-2019, 02:14 PM	#2161
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	Legolas? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-27-2019, 02:22 PM	#2162
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	No to Legolas. Nice idea, though. I suppose he'd have dwindled eventually had he not sailed west. Pasting it here because we are on a new page: Unhappy once, I now am blessed. Whate'er you think, I do not jest! Since friendship is a gift divine I dwindle, but I do not pine. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-27-2019, 02:30 PM	#2163
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	Treebeard? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-27-2019, 02:50 PM	#2164
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	No. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-28-2019, 03:40 AM	#2165
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	Frodo? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-28-2019, 03:51 AM	#2166
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Nope. A nice thought, though, (apart from the dwindling). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-28-2019, 04:05 AM	#2167
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	What does 'dwindle' mean in this context? Someone who lingers behind or someone who withers? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-28-2019, 04:52 AM	#2168
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	That's for you to work out. I will say, though, that it is not an elvish kind of dwindling, and the answer, too, is not an elf. Look at the dictionary definition of 'dwindling.' I have used it quite literally. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 03-28-2019 at 04:56 AM.

03-28-2019, 04:57 AM	#2169
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	If we go by dictionary definition of dwindling, then it's 'I will diminish and go to the West' Nerwen __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-28-2019, 04:59 AM	#2170
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Nope. Not an elf. (See my notes, above). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-28-2019, 05:01 AM	#2171
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	Theoden? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-28-2019, 05:06 AM	#2172
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Not a man either. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-28-2019, 05:09 AM	#2173
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	Gollum? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-28-2019, 05:12 AM	#2174
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	No. I suppose he kind of finds a friend in Frodo, but he doesn't stop pining for the Ring, and I don't think he becomes fully happy. Maybe in the last few seconds of his life? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-28-2019, 05:28 AM	#2176
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Well, he wasn't dwindling at that point. Not Bilbo either. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-28-2019, 05:44 AM	#2177
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	Sam? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-28-2019, 05:59 AM	#2178
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	No. There is a hobbit connection, but the answer is not a hobbit. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-28-2019, 06:23 AM	#2179
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	I assume it's an object then. The One Ring? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-28-2019, 06:54 AM	#2180
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	No. It's living. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-28-2019, 07:11 AM	#2181
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	Bill the Pony? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-28-2019, 08:15 AM	#2182
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	No. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-28-2019, 08:31 AM	#2183
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	Well, nothing else is coming to me, and that drives me crazy. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-28-2019, 09:06 AM	#2184
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Let's give it a bit longer, until our friends over the pond are awake and have had a chance. Then I'll give another hint. There's always the password thread! __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-28-2019, 11:33 AM	#2185
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,377	Not an Elf, not a Man, not a Hobbit, but living. Tom Bombadil! Though I'm not sure he was ever unhappy. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

03-28-2019, 11:42 AM	#2186
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Big hint now for everyone: think POETRY. Which is perhaps a good reason not to think of Bombadil, (who is not the answer). __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-28-2019, 12:14 PM	#2187
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	And because it's now quite far up the page: Unhappy once, I now am blessed. Whate'er you think, I do not jest! Since friendship is a gift divine I dwindle, but I do not pine. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-28-2019, 01:06 PM	#2188
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	As in, Tolkien poems? There are a lot of those...... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-28-2019, 04:40 PM	#2190
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	Perfect - that's the exact quotation I was thinking of, too! It's the troll from 'Perry-the-Winkle.' The hobbit connection is the hobbits in the poem, and the fact that Bilbo probably wrote it, (I think). (Although thinking about it, it mentions the Lockholes, which I am not sure existed as such before around the Scouring, so maybe Sam wrote it?) I said a 'living thing,' although I suppose the characters in the poem are fictions within Tolkien's fiction. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always." Last edited by Pervinca Took; 03-29-2019 at 05:45 AM.

03-28-2019, 05:28 PM	#2191
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	Here's a little ditty I made up on the spot Now we ride into the battle And into the red morn Our armors clink and rattle Followed by sound of the horn We wouldn't listen to their warning For this is our choice to make And with the dawn of the morning This is the path we'll take A creature of darkness stands in our path He's tall and he brings fear Large is his wrath But it'll all end right here We'll hold our own And follow the words of old We'll bring the enemy down As the prophecy foretold __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia. Last edited by Urwen; 03-28-2019 at 05:35 PM.

03-28-2019, 05:53 PM	#2192
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	The Rohirrim, and the prophecy regarding the Witch-King? __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-28-2019, 06:10 PM	#2193
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	Close, but not that. It's, shall I say, more selective than that. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

03-29-2019, 03:42 AM	#2194
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,894	Eowyn and Merry specifically, during the Pelennor? They were both warned against going to war, but chose to do so anyway, and it was their actions that destroyed the Witch-King. hS

03-29-2019, 08:19 AM	#2197
Pervinca Took Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Treetops, C/O Great Smials Posts: 5,035	I wonder if Bejewelled is Ar-Pharazon and Wolf is Carcharoth. __________________ "Sit by the firelight's glow; tell us an old tale we know. Tell of adventures strange and rare; never to change, ever to share! Stories we tell will cast their spell, now and for always."

03-29-2019, 08:33 AM	#2198
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,894	No and no. Ar-Pharazon had no heirs, and... actually Carcharoth would work quite well for the Wolf text if 'avenging son' was metaphorical, but it's not him. hS

03-29-2019, 10:08 AM	#2199
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,380	Gold=Maglor? And if I am right about the other two, then the riddle answer is Silmaril. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.