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Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 07-07-2003, 07:50 AM

Those are the ones, Alak... odd that you don't see much yellow in the movies...

Sophia

alaklondewen · 07-14-2003, 08:54 AM

How right you are Sophia...

What is a Shire-muster and who can call one?

Mariska Greenleaf · 07-14-2003, 09:08 AM

A shire-muster is the mobilization of the
Hobbitry-in-arms, militia in the shire. Only the Thain could call one.(the authority in the shire when the King is absent)

alaklondewen · 07-14-2003, 04:48 PM

Correct! Once again I say...Mariska the board is yours.

Mariska Greenleaf · 07-15-2003, 03:15 AM

why thank you [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Explain what the Shirriffs were and how you could recognize them?

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-16-2003, 01:37 AM

A shirrif = a sherrif; they were policers of the Shire, patrolling it and keeping it in order. Apparently recognisable by a feather in the hat, they were misused by Sharkey's lackeys to swell in number and become tools to subdue the Hobbit population.

Mariska Greenleaf · 07-16-2003, 03:14 AM

good!
It was that easy eh? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
your turn [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Beren87 · 07-26-2003, 02:17 PM

Gwaihir, your turn.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-27-2003, 01:50 AM

Right...

What were Hobbits 'inclined to be'?

Beren87 · 07-27-2003, 01:52 AM

They are inclined to be fat. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Taken from the prologue.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 07-29-2003, 02:58 AM

Not detailed enough, Beren. More specifically?

Arwen_Evenstar · 07-29-2003, 03:47 AM

Yeah, Beren, that's like all hobbits in general!
More specific please!

Beren87 · 07-29-2003, 01:01 PM

Ah, I thought you meant exactly what's said, but I'll go on.

Well, inclined to be fat, quick of hearing and sharp-eyed, and do not move quickly except in need. They are a little people, who shy away from mechanical things, and they love peace and good tilled earth.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-01-2003, 02:09 AM

Hmmm actually I was looking for

'Inclined to be fat in the stomach...'

which is what it says the Hobbit [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]. Probably the full statement from which the LotR introduction one was taken. Anyway.
Go ahead, Beren.

Beren87 · 08-08-2003, 01:38 AM

Ah, it probably was. Oh well.

What was Hobbitish a dialect of?

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-08-2003, 02:15 AM

Westron, wasn't it?

Beren87 · 08-13-2003, 02:19 PM

That would be it, good Windlord.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-27-2003, 02:36 AM

Right then, sorry about the incredibly lengthy elapsation of time between this post and the last.....

Which part of the world is the Shire taken to be (more or less) based upon?

Eruanna · 08-29-2003, 05:49 PM

The Shire is based on "Merry Olde" England. A sort of pre-industrial revolution, rural idyll. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Gwaihir the Windlord · 08-30-2003, 01:44 AM

Merry Olde, eh? If you like, I suppose... but tell me which part of England and I'll give you it.

Eruanna · 09-02-2003, 04:48 PM

I believe that he based the Shire on the county of Oxfordshire. As a young boy he lived in the countryside outside Birmingham and then as an adult he enjoyed exploring around his Oxford home. He did not approve of the growing industrialisation of the area, disliking the factories and the increased traffic on the roads. his descriptions of the Shire harkened back to the days before the industrial Revolution.

Gwaihir the Windlord · 09-03-2003, 02:27 AM

Industrial Revolution, hmmm... well he isn't that old, you know. We are talking about the twentieth century. The countryside he grew up in was industrialised to a significant extent after his childhood there, this was not in the Industrial Revolution of 1800 but the early decades of the 1900's. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Oxfordshire is not it, and he in fact made it quite clear what the Shire was modelled on. (Hint: type 'Tolkien's childhood county' or something into Google, you'll probably get an answer. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img])

Mariska Greenleaf · 09-03-2003, 02:38 AM

Following your advice, it should be Birmingham.

Eruanna · 09-03-2003, 07:56 AM

Birmingham is in the county of Warwickshire...(although the government keep changing the borders and the names)
Tolkien was actually born in South Africa, I think he was 7 or 8 maybe when they moved to England.
I know he wasn't around before the beginning of the Industrial Revolution (1750 - 1900) [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] I think he was born in 1892 (don't have my books with me)he loved nature, especially trees, and saw factories and such like as a blot on the landscape. Hence Sam's nightmare vision of the Shire in Galadriel's mirror.
Therefore I will change my answer to Warwickshire [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Gwaihir the Windlord · 09-06-2003, 02:25 AM

Yeah, Warwickshire is supposedly it. Not sure whether I should give it to you or to Mariska, though, as she said 'Birmingham' before which wasn't exactly what I was looking for... either of you may as well take it then, I suppose.

Mariska Greenleaf · 09-06-2003, 12:10 PM

Eruanna, since your answer was far more complete, it is no more than logical that you come up with a new question! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Eruanna · 09-06-2003, 01:12 PM

That's very gracious of you, Mariska. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
However, I'm just popping in and don't have a question ready.....so, the thread is yours. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Mariska Greenleaf · 09-07-2003, 05:49 AM

Okay then, if you insist... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Who were the founders of the Shire?

Firnantoonion · 09-07-2003, 08:10 AM

this question has been up here allready, so I don't know if it counts. But I'll try nonetheless:it were Marcho and Blancho

Mariska Greenleaf · 09-07-2003, 11:08 AM

Yeah, that's right.
I'm sorry to have asked a question that already was up here...
Proceed!

Firnantoonion · 09-08-2003, 11:56 AM

ok then, here it comes;

what was one of bilbo's greatest hobbies in 'The hobbit', one which he shared with Gandalf and Thorin Oakenshield,and that is mentioned at the first visit of the dwarves at Bilbo's.

(whew, that sounds way more difficult than it is, mostly because i can't explain this all very well)

edit: I almost forgot, In the movie-version of the fellowship it is also mentioned.

[ September 08, 2003: Message edited by: Firnantoonion ]

Mithisilien · 09-08-2003, 01:42 PM

the smoking of pipe-weed?

Firnantoonion · 09-09-2003, 07:54 AM

very close, but not exact what I was looking for...

to give you another hint, he was doing this when he first met Gandalf in 'the Hobbit'

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-09-2003, 11:25 AM

Well then, it must be blowing smoke rings with the airborne product of the combustion of the aforementioned pipeweed. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Firnantoonion · 09-11-2003, 11:17 AM

*applauds* the answer was indeed blowing smokerings... the forum is your's saucepan man. *bows as he hands over the keys [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]*

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-11-2003, 04:21 PM

Well I already have a set of keys, Firnantoonion. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] But thank you all the same. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Who first tended Bilbo's garden at Bag End?

Evisse the Blue · 09-11-2003, 04:36 PM

The Gaffer

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-11-2003, 05:15 PM

No, I'm afraid that's not the fellow. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Firnantoonion · 09-12-2003, 10:31 AM

I believe it was the old Holman, who used to tend Bilbo's garden, helped by the Gaffer who later continued to tend Bilbo's garden on his own.

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-12-2003, 06:13 PM

Holman Greenhand it was, Firnantoonion. Your turn. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

07-07-2003, 07:50 AM	#161
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Those are the ones, Alak... odd that you don't see much yellow in the movies... Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

07-14-2003, 08:54 AM	#162
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	How right you are Sophia... What is a Shire-muster and who can call one? __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

07-14-2003, 09:08 AM	#163
Mariska Greenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 1,036	A shire-muster is the mobilization of the Hobbitry-in-arms, militia in the shire. Only the Thain could call one.(the authority in the shire when the King is absent) __________________ I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.- Confucius.

07-14-2003, 04:48 PM	#164
alaklondewen Song of Seregon Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Following the road less traveled Posts: 1,193	Correct! Once again I say...Mariska the board is yours. __________________ At last I understand why we have waited! This is the ending. Now not day only shall be beloved, but night too shall be beautiful and blessed and all its fear pass away!

07-15-2003, 03:15 AM	#165
Mariska Greenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 1,036	why thank you [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Explain what the Shirriffs were and how you could recognize them? __________________ I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.- Confucius.

07-16-2003, 01:37 AM	#166
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	A shirrif = a sherrif; they were policers of the Shire, patrolling it and keeping it in order. Apparently recognisable by a feather in the hat, they were misused by Sharkey's lackeys to swell in number and become tools to subdue the Hobbit population.

07-16-2003, 03:14 AM	#167
Mariska Greenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 1,036	good! It was that easy eh? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] your turn [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.- Confucius.

07-26-2003, 02:17 PM	#168
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Gwaihir, your turn.

07-27-2003, 01:50 AM	#169
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Right... What were Hobbits 'inclined to be'?

07-27-2003, 01:52 AM	#170
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	They are inclined to be fat. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Taken from the prologue.

07-29-2003, 02:58 AM	#171
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Not detailed enough, Beren. More specifically?

07-29-2003, 03:47 AM	#172
Arwen_Evenstar Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 206	Yeah, Beren, that's like all hobbits in general! More specific please! __________________ 'I am Agarwaen, Son of Úmarth...'-Túrin Turambar. Arwen_Evenstar

07-29-2003, 01:01 PM	#173
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Ah, I thought you meant exactly what's said, but I'll go on. Well, inclined to be fat, quick of hearing and sharp-eyed, and do not move quickly except in need. They are a little people, who shy away from mechanical things, and they love peace and good tilled earth.

08-01-2003, 02:09 AM	#174
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Hmmm actually I was looking for 'Inclined to be fat in the stomach...' which is what it says the Hobbit [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]. Probably the full statement from which the LotR introduction one was taken. Anyway. Go ahead, Beren.

08-08-2003, 01:38 AM	#175
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Ah, it probably was. Oh well. What was Hobbitish a dialect of?

08-08-2003, 02:15 AM	#176
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Westron, wasn't it?

08-13-2003, 02:19 PM	#177
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	That would be it, good Windlord.

08-27-2003, 02:36 AM	#178
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Right then, sorry about the incredibly lengthy elapsation of time between this post and the last..... Which part of the world is the Shire taken to be (more or less) based upon?

08-29-2003, 05:49 PM	#179
Eruanna Memento Mori Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Past The Point Of No Return Posts: 1,117	The Shire is based on "Merry Olde" England. A sort of pre-industrial revolution, rural idyll. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "Remember, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."

08-30-2003, 01:44 AM	#180
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Merry Olde, eh? If you like, I suppose... but tell me which part of England and I'll give you it.

09-02-2003, 04:48 PM	#181
Eruanna Memento Mori Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Past The Point Of No Return Posts: 1,117	I believe that he based the Shire on the county of Oxfordshire. As a young boy he lived in the countryside outside Birmingham and then as an adult he enjoyed exploring around his Oxford home. He did not approve of the growing industrialisation of the area, disliking the factories and the increased traffic on the roads. his descriptions of the Shire harkened back to the days before the industrial Revolution. __________________ "Remember, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."

09-03-2003, 02:27 AM	#182
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Industrial Revolution, hmmm... well he isn't that old, you know. We are talking about the twentieth century. The countryside he grew up in was industrialised to a significant extent after his childhood there, this was not in the Industrial Revolution of 1800 but the early decades of the 1900's. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Oxfordshire is not it, and he in fact made it quite clear what the Shire was modelled on. (Hint: type 'Tolkien's childhood county' or something into Google, you'll probably get an answer. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img])

09-03-2003, 02:38 AM	#183
Mariska Greenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 1,036	Following your advice, it should be Birmingham. __________________ I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.- Confucius.

09-03-2003, 07:56 AM	#184
Eruanna Memento Mori Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Past The Point Of No Return Posts: 1,117	Birmingham is in the county of Warwickshire...(although the government keep changing the borders and the names) Tolkien was actually born in South Africa, I think he was 7 or 8 maybe when they moved to England. I know he wasn't around before the beginning of the Industrial Revolution (1750 - 1900) [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] I think he was born in 1892 (don't have my books with me)he loved nature, especially trees, and saw factories and such like as a blot on the landscape. Hence Sam's nightmare vision of the Shire in Galadriel's mirror. Therefore I will change my answer to Warwickshire [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ "Remember, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."

09-06-2003, 02:25 AM	#185
Gwaihir the Windlord Essence of Darkness Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Evermore Posts: 1,420	Yeah, Warwickshire is supposedly it. Not sure whether I should give it to you or to Mariska, though, as she said 'Birmingham' before which wasn't exactly what I was looking for... either of you may as well take it then, I suppose.

09-06-2003, 12:10 PM	#186
Mariska Greenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 1,036	Eruanna, since your answer was far more complete, it is no more than logical that you come up with a new question! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.- Confucius.

09-06-2003, 01:12 PM	#187
Eruanna Memento Mori Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Past The Point Of No Return Posts: 1,117	That's very gracious of you, Mariska. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] However, I'm just popping in and don't have a question ready.....so, the thread is yours. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ "Remember, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."

09-07-2003, 05:49 AM	#188
Mariska Greenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 1,036	Okay then, if you insist... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Who were the founders of the Shire? __________________ I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.- Confucius.

09-07-2003, 08:10 AM	#189
Firnantoonion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: a nice, cosy hole in a small hill Posts: 70	this question has been up here allready, so I don't know if it counts. But I'll try nonetheless:it were Marcho and Blancho __________________ well, that's that then

09-07-2003, 11:08 AM	#190
Mariska Greenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 1,036	Yeah, that's right. I'm sorry to have asked a question that already was up here... Proceed! __________________ I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.- Confucius.

09-08-2003, 11:56 AM	#191
Firnantoonion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: a nice, cosy hole in a small hill Posts: 70	ok then, here it comes; what was one of bilbo's greatest hobbies in 'The hobbit', one which he shared with Gandalf and Thorin Oakenshield,and that is mentioned at the first visit of the dwarves at Bilbo's. (whew, that sounds way more difficult than it is, mostly because i can't explain this all very well) edit: I almost forgot, In the movie-version of the fellowship it is also mentioned. [ September 08, 2003: Message edited by: Firnantoonion ] __________________ well, that's that then

09-08-2003, 01:42 PM	#192
Mithisilien Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Rivendell Posts: 87	the smoking of pipe-weed? __________________ Sure on this shining night I weep for wonder of shadows on the stars

09-09-2003, 07:54 AM	#193
Firnantoonion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: a nice, cosy hole in a small hill Posts: 70	very close, but not exact what I was looking for... to give you another hint, he was doing this when he first met Gandalf in 'the Hobbit' __________________ well, that's that then

09-09-2003, 11:25 AM	#194
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Well then, it must be blowing smoke rings with the airborne product of the combustion of the aforementioned pipeweed. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

09-11-2003, 11:17 AM	#195
Firnantoonion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: a nice, cosy hole in a small hill Posts: 70	applauds the answer was indeed blowing smokerings... the forum is your's saucepan man. bows as he hands over the keys [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ well, that's that then