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Tuor in Gondolin · 02-08-2009, 01:39 PM

+ + Bill Ferny

I nicely devious character, especially to
apparently survive given his numerous
encounters with various good and bad guys.

Aganzir · 02-08-2009, 01:52 PM

++Ferny

Always better than a random orc with a silly name.

Durelin · 02-08-2009, 02:08 PM

Noooo! I missed the Thuringwethil match! Not that I would have made a difference.

*shakes fist angrily*

Nogrod · 02-08-2009, 03:11 PM

Haha, a game of two slimy opportunists...

Now as you all seem to vote for Bil Ferny because he's someone it's esier to relate to then I should in principle vote otherwise.

++ Golfimbul

C'mon, he actually did something whereas Bill Ferny just gave information but stayed in the background all the time trying to be safe and not be seen as taking sides. Golfimbul was open with his stance and stood for what he did.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-08-2009, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Golfimbul was open with his stance and stood for what he did.

Yes, he was open with his stance and followed it; he basically took head...

Groin Redbeard · 02-08-2009, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Always better than a random orc with a silly name.

Exactly, Golfimbul has two sentences in the entire Tolkien universe. It wasn't even Golfimbul who created golf, it was the old Took. Hats off to him for that!

++Bill Ferny

Your typical buy me off type of person. A really disgusting character, but a much better villain than Golfimbul.

Nogrod · 02-08-2009, 04:45 PM

Now where's the sportsmanship in here?

It's now 7-1.

You call this a competition?

the phantom · 02-08-2009, 04:57 PM

To me, Ferny seems like a cowardly and despicable wimp.

At least Golfimbul tried to raid the Shire. Ferny had to wait for someone else to do it and then nosed in to take advantage of the situation.

++Golfimbul

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-08-2009, 07:06 PM

Golfimbul-2 Bill Ferny-7

Golfimbul rolls away with three of his chums
to take on the Took Tornadoes in a lively
game of lawn bowling.

Next: Two neighbors in TH, neither with an
especially positive relationship to Thorin & Co. in
general or burrahobbits in particular:
The Great Goblin vs. William

Morthoron · 02-08-2009, 07:28 PM

Bolg was living off the accomplishments of his far greater father, Azog. William had a better accent.

++William

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-09-2009, 09:07 AM

+ + William

Not only was he a great humanitarian
toward burrahobbits:

Quote:

Poor little blighter! Let him go!

But he showed tactical survival sense beyond his mates:

Quote:

Shut yer mouth! Yer can't expect folk to stop
here for ever just to be et by you and Bert. You've et a
village and half between yer, since we come down from
the mountains. How much more d'yer want? And times
been up our way, when yer'd have said 'thank yer Bill' fora nice bit
'o fat valley mutton like what this is.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-09-2009, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morthoron

Bolg was living off the accomplishments of his far greater father, Azog.

Wait, wait. Just so that there is no confusion: Bolg is son of Azog and he comes from Gundabad, and was the leader of the Orcs in the Battle of the Five Armies. The Great Goblin is the master of the Goblins of the High Pass, and he has no name, and he was killed by Gandalf, in the result of which the Dwarves were freed.

The Great Goblin was quite interesting. I mean, not really bad. But William is my favourite of the Trolls. And he was the most... hmm... nice

I mean, he does not want to eat poor Bilbo and wants to let him go. And poor him, he was accused by his fellows for leading them down from the mountains, even though he surely had the best intentions in mind! He certainly deserves some credit.

++William

EDIT: x-ed with Tuor. Yes, exactly! I am glad to see I am not the only one who noticed that

Andsigil · 02-09-2009, 09:37 AM

++William

He even has a surname of Huggins. Interesting, I'll bet, the study of hill troll genealogy.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-09-2009, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andsigil

He even has a surname of Huggins. Interesting, I'll bet, the study of hill troll genealogy.

Yes, that's another interesting thing. I always forget about it - mainly because in my translation, it's for some reason left out. I wonder what made them not to translate it...

Nogrod · 02-09-2009, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I always forget about it - mainly because in my translation, it's for some reason left out. I wonder what made them not to translate it...

I wonder more why Tolkien decided to give William that surname in the first place! Why a surname? And of all the possibilities he comes up with Huggins! Now really...

It would be reasonable to stand against the tide again and vote for the Great Goblin, but he's just not... well, votable.

I think he was always the mere nobody standing for a role there had to be. A goblin king living under the mountains could have been a formidable character but GG is not.

++ William

Aganzir · 02-09-2009, 12:32 PM

The Great Goblin was mean to Thorin.

++William

Hmm, William was mean to the dwarves, too. But less so. And he didn't eat their ponies.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-09-2009, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I wonder more why Tolkien decided to give William that surname in the first place! Why a surname? And of all the possibilities he comes up with Huggins! Now really...

Well, and why not? You could ask the same way, why a name, in the first place? This, if nothing else, implies the reoccurance of first names among Trolls. One was Bill the Goat-Eater, another was Bill Two-Tooth, another one was Bill Huggins. It does not necessarily imply a family name, although... hmm... a Huggins clan... "Clan of the Red Claw!" "Clan of the Stone!" "Clan of Huggins!" Now, really...

Well, at least you can be glad he wasn't called Bill Noggins

Oh, and actually... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Huggins

I think the time of his life implies that Tolkien might have been well informed about him...

Quote:

I think he was always the mere nobody standing for a role there had to be. A goblin king living under the mountains could have been a formidable character but GG is not.

Well, it's not that bad... he has one or two interesting quotes, like "Murderers and friends of Elves!" and "Throw them into the pits full of snakes!", which beats Legolas from the movies, but

Durelin · 02-09-2009, 02:09 PM

++The Great Goblin

I've always liked the goblins, especially as portrayed in The Hobbit (if they're really portrayed anywhere else). They're more interesting than other orcs to me, as they are more independent. And I like how they're kinda buddy-buddy with the wargs, without the wargs being subject to them. They also, from what I remember, seem to be possible to reason with. They seem to have protocols.

I like Bert, Tom, and Bill plenty, but...meh, there's three of them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I think he was always the mere nobody standing for a role there had to be. A goblin king living under the mountains could have been a formidable character but GG is not.

Well, they're goblins...in The Hobbit, a children's story...they have to be a little silly and thus their leader largely incompetent...to avoid gruesome torture and death scenes and such... As if Bert, Tom, and Bill are especially formidable.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-09-2009, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durelin

And I like how they're kinda buddy-buddy with the wargs, without the wargs being subject to them. They also, from what I remember, seem to be possible to reason with. They seem to have protocols.

Ah yes, true. Actually, it looked like that under some circumstances, Thoring could have talked himself out of the situation... true. A pity, really. Hmm, I should have re-read that before voting. Perhaps I would have reconsidered. Well, but still. William is a nice guy.

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-09-2009, 06:07 PM

William-6 The Great Goblin-1

Next: Gorbag vs. Shagrat
A tragic brother against brother (sort of) struggle, perhaps
somewhere between Damon and Pythias and Cain and Abel,
okay, probably the latter.
To hear what they might well select as their theme song
try a Google search for

Quote:

Two heads are better than
one Power Tool

. (I can't post directly an http link,
due no doubt to my very limited computer savvy. I could get
links on my old PC but not with my new laptop).

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-10-2009, 05:21 AM

Now, I think this match could at last be interesting, and I am really interested in seeing the preferrences people have.

For me, it is Gorbag, because... I just like him. To me, he seems a bit nicer, a bit more clever, in some way, he is more "independant" (though Shagrat is also, but in his own, rather nasty way). I mean, Gorbag looks like more of a relaxed-type guy to me. And he has far cooler coat of arms, dwells in a far cooler place (and probably has a regular talk to the Nazgul).

And, he was the only known Orc with an apparent interest in philosophy of metaphysics.

Hmm, perhaps he would have became a good philosopher, had he had the time and not be too burdened by his duties as a commander (or again, if he was "free", then if he had enough other Orcs to take care of supplying the food and all necessary things... hmm, now where I have heard this...). Or he had metaphysics as his hobby. (Stimulated, no doubt, by his living is such a proximity to the Ringwraith - as it is even implied by the text itself.)

++Gorbag

I really disliked Shagrat in the beginning, to be honest, although in the end, nowadays I don't mind him anymore, in fact, I could perhaps sort of like him as well. But Gorbag is still far in the lead.

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-10-2009, 08:06 AM

And these two, in their interactions and
allusions, and their own succoming to the
power of the Ring- not unlike Boromir and
Frodo, et. al.- come closest to making Orcs
"human."

An example of their "humanness":

Quote:

'You should try being up here with Shelob for
company,' said Shagrat.
'I'd like to try somewhere where there's none of 'em.
But the war's on now, and when that's over things may
be easier.'
It's going well, they say.'
'They would,' grunted Gorbag. We'll see. But anyway,
if it does go well, there should be a lot more room. What
d'you say?- if we get a chance, you and me'll slip off and
set up somewhere on our own with a few trusty lads,
somewhere where there's good loot nice and handy, and
no big bosses.'
'Ah!" said Shagrat. 'Like old times.'

Thinlómien · 02-10-2009, 01:37 PM

++Shagrat

He always struck me as.. well... more sneaky and less of the Schwarzenegger-type.

Although, Gorbag might even be smarter after all, but Shagrat has the "home ground" so he does look like the smart expert. I don't know, it's maybe the same as that I always liked Grishnákh more than Uglúk, although Uglúk is the one more "worthy" of liking of those two.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-10-2009, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

He always struck me as.. well... more sneaky and less of the Schwarzenegger-type.

Although, Gorbag might even be smarter after all, but Shagrat has the "home ground" so he does look like the smart expert. I don't know, it's maybe the same as that I always liked Grishnákh more than Uglúk, although Uglúk is the one more "worthy" of liking of those two.

Great! I always had it the other way around. And (as I just now re-read it), Shagrat looks more like an expert in the things concerning Shelob etc., but when it comes to reasoning, Gorbag is more clever - like, in this sense that he suspects this "great Elven warrior" and puts two and two together, knowing that if Frodo was alone, he would have been eaten already.

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-10-2009, 02:21 PM

+ + Gorbag

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-10-2009, 07:54 PM

Due to a lack of voting, time for this round
will be extended for at least 12 hours.

the phantom · 02-10-2009, 09:27 PM

He managed to get away with Frodo's gear, so I'll give Shagrat the edge.

++Shagrat

Andsigil · 02-11-2009, 05:57 AM

Shagrat killed Gorbag. So, is it really a contest, then? I mean, seriously...

++Shagrat for being the last orc standing.

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-11-2009, 11:12 AM

Anemic voting results:
Gorbag-2 Shagrat-3

Next: Grima Wormtongue vs. Queen Beruthiel

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-11-2009, 11:26 AM

You know what troubles me? The fact that for the second time when you have a woman in this contest, she stands again against somebody whom I really can not not vote. (I hope I was clear

)

++Wormtongue

As a side note: I just love one picture of him, by John Montelone, where he is bald (or, mostly, at least). I did not imagine him like that when reading the book, but I like this portrayal of him. (In fact, I was sort of surprised by the white-faced long-haired Severus Snape from the TT movie...)

Thinlómien · 02-11-2009, 12:42 PM

++Wormtongue

Wormtongue is quite nice. (Err... "nice"?

)

And I never liked Queen Berúthiel, even though I like her husband even less.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-11-2009, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Wormtongue is quite nice. (Err... "nice"?

)

Well, but I think that's actually very well phrased

Andsigil · 02-11-2009, 12:57 PM

++Wormtongue

Durelin · 02-11-2009, 02:12 PM

++Queen Beruthiel

Because she is a badass cat-lady, and thus an idol of mine.

She is just so unique of a nasty person. I mean, really. Cats as spies? Being put out to sea with a bunch of cats (that must have been interesting)? Where else are you going to find that?

Wormtongue is much more typical -- the little toady who turns on his master in the end. He does the dirty work...Queen Beruthiel has her cats do the dirty work. Much cooler.

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-11-2009, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Quote:

You know what troubles me? The fact that for the second time when you have a woman in this contest, she stands again against somebody whom I really can not not vote.

Also, Thuringwethil , and presumably the cats, were females.
Not good results so far for the ladies.

+ + Queen Beruthiel
Especially if she and her spies were rescued off South
Gondor and caused even more problems there.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 02-11-2009, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuor in Gondolin

Also, Thuringwethil , and presumably the cats, were females.

Well, I thought about the cats as well, but they are such a mass that who knows - although, okay, perhaps the single cat is clear at least. And as for the other female, I meant Thuringwethil. Who is the other...

...ah, yes. Shelob, of course. Okay, I probably got a bit confused, not thinking about her, for I was trying to remember humanoid females at first.

wilwarin538 · 02-11-2009, 06:04 PM

++Wormtongue

Because I've always loved him, despite his intense creepiness, and have no idea who Queen Beruthiel is, thought I'm sure I probably should, haha.

Morthoron · 02-11-2009, 07:59 PM

Didn't I read that Queen Beruthiel was carried about with her feline familiars on a sort of stretcher by servants? Wouldn't that make her mode of transportation a cat litter?

Ummm..sorry, I was reaching on that one.

Anyway, ++Wormtongue

Ibrîniðilpathânezel · 02-11-2009, 08:09 PM

++Queen Beruthiel

Because I'm getting sick of the mice that have decided to invade our basement. And Wormtongue would be just another rat.

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-12-2009, 07:38 AM

Grima Wormtongue-5 Queen Beruthiel-3

Next, the penultimate first round match:
Bolg (who possibly has an even greater aversion
to bears than Stephen Colbert) vs. Morgoth

02-08-2009, 01:39 PM	#161
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	+ + Bill Ferny I nicely devious character, especially to apparently survive given his numerous encounters with various good and bad guys. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

02-08-2009, 01:52 PM	#162
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	++Ferny Always better than a random orc with a silly name. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

02-08-2009, 03:11 PM	#164
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Haha, a game of two slimy opportunists... Now as you all seem to vote for Bil Ferny because he's someone it's esier to relate to then I should in principle vote otherwise. ++ Golfimbul C'mon, he actually did something whereas Bill Ferny just gave information but stayed in the background all the time trying to be safe and not be seen as taking sides. Golfimbul was open with his stance and stood for what he did. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

02-08-2009, 04:45 PM	#167
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Now where's the sportsmanship in here? It's now 7-1. You call this a competition? __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

02-08-2009, 04:57 PM	#168
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	To me, Ferny seems like a cowardly and despicable wimp. At least Golfimbul tried to raid the Shire. Ferny had to wait for someone else to do it and then nosed in to take advantage of the situation. ++Golfimbul __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

02-08-2009, 02:08 PM	#163
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Noooo! I missed the Thuringwethil match! Not that I would have made a difference. shakes fist angrily

02-08-2009, 07:06 PM	#169
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Golfimbul-2 Bill Ferny-7 Golfimbul rolls away with three of his chums to take on the Took Tornadoes in a lively game of lawn bowling. Next: Two neighbors in TH, neither with an especially positive relationship to Thorin & Co. in general or burrahobbits in particular: The Great Goblin vs. William __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.' Last edited by Tuor in Gondolin; 02-08-2009 at 07:09 PM.

02-08-2009, 07:28 PM	#170
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,509	Bolg was living off the accomplishments of his far greater father, Azog. William had a better accent. ++William __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

02-09-2009, 09:37 AM	#173
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 733	++William He even has a surname of Huggins. Interesting, I'll bet, the study of hill troll genealogy. __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

02-09-2009, 12:32 PM	#176
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	The Great Goblin was mean to Thorin. ++William Hmm, William was mean to the dwarves, too. But less so. And he didn't eat their ponies. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

02-10-2009, 05:21 AM	#181
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Now, I think this match could at last be interesting, and I am really interested in seeing the preferrences people have. For me, it is Gorbag, because... I just like him. To me, he seems a bit nicer, a bit more clever, in some way, he is more "independant" (though Shagrat is also, but in his own, rather nasty way). I mean, Gorbag looks like more of a relaxed-type guy to me. And he has far cooler coat of arms, dwells in a far cooler place (and probably has a regular talk to the Nazgul). And, he was the only known Orc with an apparent interest in philosophy of metaphysics. Hmm, perhaps he would have became a good philosopher, had he had the time and not be too burdened by his duties as a commander (or again, if he was "free", then if he had enough other Orcs to take care of supplying the food and all necessary things... hmm, now where I have heard this...). Or he had metaphysics as his hobby. (Stimulated, no doubt, by his living is such a proximity to the Ringwraith - as it is even implied by the text itself.) ++Gorbag I really disliked Shagrat in the beginning, to be honest, although in the end, nowadays I don't mind him anymore, in fact, I could perhaps sort of like him as well. But Gorbag is still far in the lead. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

02-10-2009, 01:37 PM	#183
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	++Shagrat He always struck me as.. well... more sneaky and less of the Schwarzenegger-type. Although, Gorbag might even be smarter after all, but Shagrat has the "home ground" so he does look like the smart expert. I don't know, it's maybe the same as that I always liked Grishnákh more than Uglúk, although Uglúk is the one more "worthy" of liking of those two. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

02-10-2009, 02:21 PM	#185
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	+ + Gorbag __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

02-10-2009, 07:54 PM	#186
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Due to a lack of voting, time for this round will be extended for at least 12 hours. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

02-10-2009, 09:27 PM	#187
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	He managed to get away with Frodo's gear, so I'll give Shagrat the edge. ++Shagrat __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

02-11-2009, 05:57 AM	#188
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 733	Shagrat killed Gorbag. So, is it really a contest, then? I mean, seriously... ++Shagrat for being the last orc standing. __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

02-11-2009, 11:12 AM	#189
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Anemic voting results: Gorbag-2 Shagrat-3 Next: Grima Wormtongue vs. Queen Beruthiel __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

02-11-2009, 11:26 AM	#190
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	You know what troubles me? The fact that for the second time when you have a woman in this contest, she stands again against somebody whom I really can not not vote. (I hope I was clear ) ++Wormtongue As a side note: I just love one picture of him, by John Montelone, where he is bald (or, mostly, at least). I did not imagine him like that when reading the book, but I like this portrayal of him. (In fact, I was sort of surprised by the white-faced long-haired Severus Snape from the TT movie...) __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

02-11-2009, 12:42 PM	#191
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	++Wormtongue Wormtongue is quite nice. (Err... "nice"? ) And I never liked Queen Berúthiel, even though I like her husband even less. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

02-11-2009, 12:57 PM	#193
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 733	++Wormtongue __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

02-11-2009, 02:12 PM	#194
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	++Queen Beruthiel Because she is a badass cat-lady, and thus an idol of mine. She is just so unique of a nasty person. I mean, really. Cats as spies? Being put out to sea with a bunch of cats (that must have been interesting)? Where else are you going to find that? Wormtongue is much more typical -- the little toady who turns on his master in the end. He does the dirty work...Queen Beruthiel has her cats do the dirty work. Much cooler.

02-11-2009, 06:04 PM	#197
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	++Wormtongue Because I've always loved him, despite his intense creepiness, and have no idea who Queen Beruthiel is, thought I'm sure I probably should, haha. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

02-11-2009, 07:59 PM	#198
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,509	Didn't I read that Queen Beruthiel was carried about with her feline familiars on a sort of stretcher by servants? Wouldn't that make her mode of transportation a cat litter? Ummm..sorry, I was reaching on that one. Anyway, ++Wormtongue __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

02-11-2009, 08:09 PM	#199
Ibrîniðilpathânezel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the Helcaraxe Posts: 733	++Queen Beruthiel Because I'm getting sick of the mice that have decided to invade our basement. And Wormtongue would be just another rat. __________________ Call me Ibrin (or Ibri) :) Originality is the one thing that unoriginal minds cannot feel the use of. — John Stewart Mill

02-12-2009, 07:38 AM	#200
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Grima Wormtongue-5 Queen Beruthiel-3 Next, the penultimate first round match: Bolg (who possibly has an even greater aversion to bears than Stephen Colbert) vs. Morgoth __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.' Last edited by Tuor in Gondolin; 02-12-2009 at 08:02 AM.