WWJ XII: "Oh the tangled web we weave..."

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I have no Idea what to do. . .I don't want to vote Nogrod when he is not here, but I don't think there is a good alternative! I hope this will prove to be right.

++Nogrod


Edit: Cross posted/voted with Menel

[Rikae]

Well, on the one hand, I don't feel good about this vote. I hate to vote for someone who isn't here, and I have an ominous feeling we may be lynching our best asset, but on the other hand, he seems to be the logical choice.

++Nogrod

[Kitanna]

++ Naria

I still find Naria more suspicious than I do Nogrod. I have suspicions of Nogrod, but not enough to vote for him. But if you all turn out to be right about him and I'm wrong, then so be it. I'm still more convinced of Naria than Nogrod.

[Naria]

Looks like my vote will go to

++ Nogrod

there have been some interesting talk about him, albeit a little confusing in parts for me, and my doubt over his innocence has risen above others I am worried about.

[Valier]

The village was almost quiet and subdued for most of the day, but almost everyone was sure who should die. "Nogrod it is then...and where is he?" Everyone looked around and Nogrod was no where to be seen. The mob of villagers moved in on his house. "We know you are in there! Come out now with your hands up!!" The door to Nogrods house opened slowly and a cough came from inside. "Don't you know I am sick!! I am not going outside!" The villagers looked none to happy. They all took up their swords and advanced towards the door. "Come out now and we swear we won't hurt you." Someone sneered from the back. " Well if I must I must, but what is this all about?" Nogrod put on his robe and went out to meet the crowd. "We believe that you indeed are a Thing!!" "Oh really?" sneered Nogrod in return "and what makes you think that?" Everyone shuffled their feet, but no one answered.

The villagers had had enough. They raised their swords in unison and charged at the robed Nogrod. They fell upon him with such a fury, but one villager stood behind. Glirdan watched and was mesmerized. The rising and the falling of the sword blades, reminded him slightly of a game his sister used to play....The rope went up, the rope went down...Glirdan began to adulate back and forth, waiting for the right moment. As one of the bloodied blades rose in the air, Glirdan charged and gave a jump, his head being sliced off in the process.

The villagers began to wind down from their fury. There on the ground lay two decapitated bodies. That of Nogrod and Glirdan, their heads had met and now rested together peacefully. Someone cried out in horror. "What have we done?!!!" "Shhh just wait.....Watch" someone whispered. All fell silent except for the heavy breathing of the spent villagers. A few minutes had gone by...nothing..."Well then we are all just horrible!!" But just as that was uttered, the body of Nogrod began to move. Something was trying to escape from the hole where Nogrod's head use to sit. A villager stepped forward and raised their foot high. As the worm like creature slithered out of the gaping wound, down came the foot and squished the Thing into the cold snowy ground." One down, and two more to go" someone commented.


Dead villagers

Valier- Milkmaid- Killed by Thing- Mod Night1
Thinlomien-Blind gardener maid-Pulled apart by horses on Day1- Innocent
Folwren-Jack the blacksmith-face mangled on night2-Innocent
Glirdan-Town musician-Killed himself on Day2 (due to RL busyness)-Innocent
Nogrod-Goatherder-Decapitated on Day2-Thing



Live villagers

Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
JennyHallu- Prophetess
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Kitanna- Hermit
Naria- Herbalist
Briseis- Seamstress
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Macalaure- Village Doomsayer
Rune son of Bjarne- Weaver (not the actual one)
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
Eonwe- Miller



Night3 has begun. You have 24 hours.
Things pm me your #'s and your choice. Seer and Weaver, you know the drill.

[Valier]

The sun arose on the third day, since the first killing. The villagers had barely slept, if they slept at all, but the lynching of one of the creatures had filled their minds with hope. They all dreaded leaving their homes. Would someone else be gone? One by one people started to emerge from their homes...one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.....nine? There seemed to be two people missing.

"It's Briseis!! " Someone shouted." She must have been one of those creatures!!" "No wait...Rune is gone as well." someone realized.
The villagers all looked around in confusion. Snapping out of their stupor, they advanced towards the home of Briseis. Upon entry, they found her peacefully sitting in a large chair in her kitchen, as if she were asleep. There was no mistaking, the blood though. Her wrists were slash and there on the table before her was a note, that said only.."I can not take this anymore...goodbye."
Someone threw up and another screamed. "So that leaves us only with Rune...shall we?"

The villagers made quickly for the home of Rune the Weaver. There he lay sprawled on his back in front of his house, with a look of terror on his face. His chest had been ripped open and his heart lay exposed.

" That means the Thing is in someone...... here, right now....." Everyone looked around in fear.



Dead villagers

Valier- Milkmaid- Killed by Thing- Mod Night1
Thinlomien-Blind gardener maid-Pulled apart by horses on Day1- Innocent
Folwren-Jack the blacksmith-face mangled on night2-Innocent
Glirdan-Town musician-Killed himself on Day2 (due to RL busyness)-Innocent
Nogrod-Goatherder-Decapitated on Day2-Thing
Rune- Weaver (not real one)- Chest ripped open on night3- innocent
Briseis- Seamstress- Slashed her own wrists on night3 (by choice)-Innocent


Live villagers

Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
JennyHallu- Prophetess
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Kitanna- Hermit
Naria- Herbalist
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Macalaure- Village Doomsayer
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
Eonwe- Miller


Day3 has now begun. Things stop pming. You have 24 hours.
You may start posting.

[Gil-Galad]

Oh my, we must review and decide from the past day!


though i would hate to do this, but i decided to look more closely at Kitanna, though she may be more innocent, but she could also be the thing because a good thing won't try to make a futile attempt on voting...much paradox's here...

[Macalaure]

Rune was a thing? I didn't expect that.

Let's have a look.


Day 1

#17+#21
Defends Rikae from me
Announces to look at Lommy
Jokes

#38
Says he'll focus on me and Lommy
Doesn't know what to do with Volo and Jenny
Thinks Rikae innocent
Says Gil is un-Galadish
Won't pay attention to Glirdan yet

#45
Wonders whether we should make up new tactics

#51+#87
There and back again

#90
Criticises Nogrod and will maybe vote for him

#95
Says he has detected a change in Nogrod
Still suspicious of me and Jenny, less so of Volo and Lommy
Votes Nogrod at a time when the votes were still quite spread


Day 2

#131
Doesn't want us to only go for Nogrod, wants us to look at others too
Feels good about Kitanna and her approach, still doesn't know what to make of her cases

#157
Likes the points about the silent people
Tries to decently backpedal with his Nogrod-suspicion

#161
Sees no alternative and votes Nogrod


Difficult to tell whether he already was a thing on Day 1.
His vote for Nogrod isn't safe enough to be a thing-on-thing vote (I'm convinced Nogrod was a thing from the beginning, as I don't think he was the ranger).
He doesn't go for the silent people unlike Nogrod and Folwren.
If Rune only became a thing on Night 2, it would mean he was the ranger, and it would ease my suspicion about Jenny.

Having reread his yesterday's posts, he did put on quite a few signs. The 'I like her approach but don't know what to make with her cases' about Kitanna without any closer examination (this makes me want to have a closer look at them), his telling us to look at others but Nogrod without doing so himself.

Rune was very careful about not putting up signs that point to the other thing. It's possible that Kitanna was right with her suspicion about Menel or Naria, though.

[Volo]

Well this unexpected... I also hope there won't be more suicides. I was really sure that Kittana, Nogrod and Folwren were the original Things and Jenny the Ranger-Thing. (I mean that I was sure before I read today's death).

I can explain why Jenny seemed so strange, on day2 she became rather friendly to Nogrod and Kittana unlike on day1. She still suspects them, but now just suspects, not accuses. Maybe I'm wrong and anyway, I'm happy to think of Jenny as an innocent.

Now to the scary one, I have a feeling in my toe that Kittana be a Thing. A lot of talk and accusations, but not so much reasoning. Why did she wote Naria in the first place, Nogrod would die, but Kittana did just like Nogrod on day1, voted somebody out of the bandwagon with little reason. She seems too "confused" to be innocent.
But then again, Kittana seems pretty innocent on day1 and seems to have really studied the game.
On day2 she still says some things that make sense to me. What I really don't understand is her suspicions based on the order of joining the bandwagon.
How can she see Naria more suspicious than Nogrod? But than talks for her innocence, there wouldn't have been any sense to jump out of the bandwagon at that point.

I would really wish that to hear some thoughts from Eonwe, Gil, Menel and Naria

[Kitanna]

I was wrong about Nogrod, clearly, but I can fix that.

Jenny is a Thing.

[Rikae]

Oh, my. We've reduced the number of things by one, but now we've lost two of our own! There ought to be a law against suicide (do you think a death penalty would be a good deterrent?) .
I have 1008 wheels of cheddar that need to go into the smokehouse today, so I won't be around much. At this point the case against Kitanna looks strongest to me, but I'll try to review the posts this evening before voting.

EDIT: X posted with Kitanna

[Rikae]

Well, that's an eye opener and no mistake! Either Jenny is a thing or you are, Kitanna. Eeeny-meenie-mieny-moe...

One Thing to rule them all
one thing to find them
one thing to bring them all and in the darkness bind them...

++Jenny

[Macalaure]

I already suspected Kitanna of seerdom, and since I know she was innocent yesterday, I'll take the risk of being wrong.

If Jenny is a Thing, then so is Naria.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

If Jenny is a Thing, then so is Naria.

I have no proof of Naria being a Thing. I still think she's guilty, but nothing can be said for sure. I dreamt of Jenny last night to rectify the situation that I was wrong about Nogrod.

[Rikae]

I am the weaver.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I am the weaver.

You just revealed yourself to be the final Thing. I dreamt of the weaver and it was not you.

[Rikae]

Assuming we lynch a thing today, the final thing dies tonight, and the new thing will be next to impossible to catch.
If a thing attacks a gifted, the gifted will not die for 24 hours, and will know who the final thing is during those 24 hours.

If that doesn't happen, we'll have nothing to go on but blind guessing, since there will be a new thing every day.

[Volo]

So, confising stuff said clearly: Kittana is the seer or Rikae the weaver? Or are you just messing around? :/

[Kitanna]

So we know both Things left, Jenny is a Thing. And we can guess Rikae is the Thing because she's defiantly not the Weaver. I advise the real Weaver to stay silent because we can only lynch one Thing today and obviously the Thing is not going to attack me tonight or they lose. So we have a hope of winning tomorrow if with a bit of luck the remaining Thing picks the real weaver. Because like the Seer they have 24 hours to live. So I strongly advise the weaver to stay silent in the vain hopes that the remaining Thing will attack him/her in the night.

[Volo]

Hmm... Kittana, how do I know that I can trust you? And if you're a seer, you can still dream next night if the things attack you...

But Kittana, why did you attack Naria so then, if she's not a thing?

[Rikae]

Kitanna, if I may make the point, you didn't dream of me, and therefore can't say with certainty what I am.
If you lynch me today, and Jenny dies tonight making a new thing, you've lost a "sure thing".
If you lynch Jenny today, the third thing will die tonight, and you will know the rest of us were innocent as of today.
If Jenny is not a thing, Kitanna , having expressed certainty that she was, is not the seer. Either way, you have leads.

[Volo]

If we lynch the seer, the Thing will change and we'll be at a loss. So how can we really trust either Kittana or Rikae. And of those two, I trust Rikae more, she voted straight away and anyway she hasn't been as suspicious as Kittana to me.

[Rikae]

Kitanna, it would have been best if the things had thought I might be the weaver. It would have improved the chances of them attacking the real weaver.
But that's out now, so I'll admit I'm not the weaver. Shame you didn't pick up on my little plan, there.
Anyway, there is no reason to doubt Kitanna.

[Rikae]

...at this point.

[Macalaure]

But I am the weaver!

Don't worry! Me is having a plan. I wouldn't have revealed myself otherwise.


Let's lynch Jenny today. (If she's innocent, then Kitanna is a thing, and I'm in trouble)

Then Naria is left and has a choice: She can snatch an innocent or she can kill me or Kitanna. If she kills me or her, then we can lynch Naria tomorrow. So she doesn't really have a choice.

Today we're nine, minus two gifteds and two things is five.

Kitanna dreams of one, I dream of the connection between two. This leaves two unguarded. If Kitanna is succesful, great! If I get no connection, then we have a 50:50 chance. If I get a connection, then one of the two unguarded villagers is guilty and it's 50:50 again.

If we're unlucky, then we do the same again tomorrow, with even better chances.


So, if I didn't reveal, our chances wouldn't have been really better.


PS: Thanks for trying to "draw the fire" on you, Rikae!

[Volo]

Now this is interesting, if Kittana isn't the real Seer, the real Seer should object, we still have at least three dreams! So the Seer and Weaver can tell us all they know if they think that three dreams is enough. I'l probably vote Jenny, I believe that both Kittana and Rikae can't be Things.

So, how many you know Kittana of those that are alive? If those + the Weaver's dreams are four or more, I feel that we should openly discuss who the gifted should dream about!

EDIT: x:d with Rikae and Mac

[Kitanna]

You doubt me? The go ahead and vote for me. Then see where that gets you.

But I say lynch Jenny today. Review everything Rikae has said. And real Weaver stay silent unless you think you should come forward.

++Jenny

X-posted with Volo and Mac:
The seer has only had two dreams so far. Unlike the weaver there was no dream for night one.

[Rikae]

But Mac, will your dream give you the new connection, or the old one? For instance, say you dream of Menel and myself, but Naria turns me into a thing the same night. Will you get a connection (both innocent the previous day) or no connection?

[Volo]

Ok, ++Jenny.

We win!

[Macalaure]

It's always the new connection. I checked that with Valier.

[Rikae]

Oh, in that case, great. I thought it was the old connection, which is why I thought our best chance was tricking the thing into attacking a gifted.

[Rikae]

Kitanna - No, I trust you at this point! But that is dependant on Jenny turning out to be a thing, of course.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Oh, in that case, great. I thought it was the old connection, which is why I thought our best chance was tricking the thing into attacking a gifted.

But with one Thing left why would they want to attack a gifted? It's not in their best interest to attack a gifted at night. A gifted gets 24 hours to live after being attacked, so if they dream of the Thing... But if they attack an innocent they die and we have a new thing who won't be as easy to track because they'll change every night. With both gifted revealed I'd say the chances of them attacking a gifted are lesser now. A thing has a real good chance of us not predicting who they'll attack, so we can't pick who to dream of.

Then Naria is left and has a choice: She can snatch an innocent or she can kill me or Kitanna.

We don't know if Naria is a Thing or not. I'd have said Rikae, but I don't know. I've only been allowed two dreams.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

But with one Thing left why would they want to attack a gifted? It's not in their best interest to attack a gifted at night. A gifted gets 24 hours to live after being attacked, so if they dream of the Thing... But if they attack an innocent they die and we have a new thing who won't be as easy to track because they'll change every night. With both gifted revealed I'd say the chances of them attacking a gifted are lesser now. A thing has a real good chance of us not predicting who they'll attack, so we can't pick who to dream of.

But that's my point exactly - it isn't in their best interests to attack a gifted - in fact, if they attack a gifted we would win, since the thing remains the same and the next day the gifted can point them out to us, right? I thought that was our best chance of finding them, since I didn't know the gifteds would dream about the new connection, as Mac just clarified. Therefore, I thought it would be better if the last thing thought I was the weaver, since s/he might then attack the real weaver (assuming he was an ordinary villager and thus safe to attack) who could reveal him/her the next day.

[Macalaure]

OK, here's the details:

Night one I dreamt of Lommy and Nogrod - no connection (That is why I was so certain about Nog yesterday)

Night two I dreamt of Folwren and Kitanna - no connection (Thus knowing Kitanna was innocent. I originally wanted to compare my sure innocent Folwren to my probably guilty Kitanna. well... )

This night I dreamt of Jenny and Naria - connection (The way Kitanna completely dropped her suspicions about me made me think she's the seer and dreamt of me (thinking me suspicious on day 1), so I dreamt about my favourite suspect and hers)

If Jenny's a thing, then so is Naria.

[Volo]

Hah, good work!

It seems that Jenny was our little Ranger back then, just like we suspected.

Somehow I don't like the feeling when you're completely useless

[Kitanna]

Well then, I was actually right about Naria without the dream. But we still have a problem about trying to guess who Naria will pick to be the new Thing.

[Volo]

It's easy to find out.

Gil-Galad- Friendly neighborhood window cleaner
Volo- Village loony/Poet
Rikae- Cheesemaker
Meneltarmacil- Former pirate
Eonwe- Miller

Naria can either get the Things into trouble straight away by attacking me, give them a chance using Rikae's natural skills in WW, or go rather quiet (sorry pals) by attacking Gil, Menel or Eonwe.

So, somebody should check Rikae. Gil, Menel or Eonwe should (post more) be checked, maybe. But what's the difference, we win! You can trust me to mess up if I become a Thing.

[Macalaure]

The five that can be potential targets for Naria are:
Rikae
Volo
Menel
Gil-Galad
Eonwe

To not tell her whom we exactly dream of I'd say I dream of two out of:
Rikae, Volo or Menel

and you dream of either:
Gil-Galad or Eonwe

edit: x-ed with Volo. But Menel's not quiet at all (until today)

[Kitanna]

But Volo, the problem is we can't really say anything outloud. Because whatever we say Naria will probably go for someone else. There's few people left obviously, but Naria's real quiet and her choice is going to be hard to predict. There's a lot of guess work and the more days we're wrong, the harder it will get for the villagers to win.