WWJ VI: Return to Midsomer Mawlin - Kill me again

[Mithalwen]

When morning came noone was surprised ot find that Agent Boromir was ampong those who gathered on the village green. His house, Cooperdale Cottage was next to the pub and they found the door open.

There was no sign of blood but a strange smell wafted over the usual fragrance of coffee and cherry pie. The livingroom with it's racks of neatly labelled tapes was untouched - the only odd thing was a log on the desk. Beside it was a piece of paper on which Boromir hadwritten the names of Feanor and Kuruharan. They followed their noses to the bathroom where they found Boromir lying in the bath still dressed in his customary suit and trenchcoat. Boromir had been drowned but not in water. The bath had been filled with baked-beans and Boromir's eyes had been replaced with tomatoes. How much he must have suffered.

Dead:

Mithalwen - moderator killed by werewolves on Night 1
Feanor of the Peredhil - werewolf not hanged but drowned, drawn and pinned on Day 1
Sleepy Ranger - ordinary Villager, suffocated by gold paint (so tacky) on Night 2
Kuruharan - werewolf, lynched anagrammaticaly on Day 2
Boromir88 - seer, drowned in a bath of baked beans by a werewolf on Night 3

Living:
AoW,D18,Ff,G-g,JH,Kit,Morm, Nog, Oddone,
Villagers 8
Wolves 1

You have until 6.30 pm Monday GMT to lynch someone. Clear majority is 5 and if this is reached, votes become non-retractable.

[Diamond18]

I just got done with a long day of work, filled with screaming babies and scary people with unwashed hair, so I’m currently too tired to think straight. But, as it’s Night and there’s nothing else to do, I’ll try to write some kind of comprehensive post for as soon as Day starts again. (Note, when this is actually posted I will not have just got home from work, most likely I’ll just have gotten up. As I type it’s Saturday evening.)

So.... people I’m most suspicious of:

Firefoot
Oddwen
Azaelia

People I’m less suspicious of:

Kitanna
Mormegil
JennyHallu
Nogrod
Gil-Galad


People I’m hardly suspicious of at all:

Hahaha, funny, that.

People of whose pure driven snowy white innocence I’m assured:

Myself.

Duh.

Sleepy Ranger
Boromir88

RIP, guys.

So, let’s review the list, shall we?

Firefoot

So, right, we’ve been told not to read too much into what Fea said/did -- but look at Kuru. Prior to Boro’s revelation I was NOT intending to vote for Kuru, because the only really suspicious thing I saw about him (more than your garden variety everybody-here-is-suspicious suspicion) was Fea’s behavior toward him, and I was going with the “Pay no mind to Fea, she’s crazy” stuff. Seems that Kuru-Wolf was most vocal in that regard, eh? So considering Fea’s encouragement to leave Firefoot be.... I’m not at all comfortable letting Firefoot be. Maybe Firefoot’s innocent, maybe she’s a wolf, but right now I’m more comfortable with the idea of finding out by “lynching” her rather than... not knowing.

(SUNDAY EDIT: Note also that Firefoot was online and posted in Survivor a mere couple of hours before Boro's death was announced. Coincedence?)

Oddwen and Azaelia, on the other hand, I just can’t get a good grasp on and since “We fear what we do not know,” I’m leery of them. It could be nothing more than RL keeping their posting fairly quiet, but still that gives me less to go on.

Kitanna

Frankly, as I’m mainly suspicious of Firefoot right now, my feelings of suspicion for Kitanna may stem from the fact that she’s relatively quite within the game and I don’t know her very well outside the game. So all “How does Kitanna behave in such and such situation?” questions come up with a big fat, “uuuuuuh, I don’t know” as an answer. Therefore, Kitanna rings a big fat , “uuuuuuh, I don’t know” on my Suspicion Bell.

Mormegil

Fea fingered him for a Seer. Seems her vote for him was far less cheeky than her vote for Kuru, therefore seems she was more serious about trying to get him killed. If Fea wanted him dead, I’m inclined to think him innocent.

JennyHallu

I was getting really suspicious of Jenny for mostly niggling reasons, flags that might be signals of a wolf playing a sloppy game, and that feeling increased when she said she was very suspicious of me... I got scared and felt like she was a wolf going after me. However, since knowing Kuru’s guilt, I find it hard to believe Jenny’s a wolf, so I’m chalking up her suspicious behavior to personality, and not actual wolfishness.

Nogrod

Seems, as someone put it, genuine. He posts a lot and seems into the game with an innocent sort of enthusiasm, so he’s about as far down on my suspicion list as one can get. Am I 100%? Never.

Gil-Galad

Here’s an interesting wrinkle, Gil said he’d be gone till Sunday evening. This is problematic if he’s a wolf, because, well, he should be contacting Mith about who to kill before then. So, either Gil’s not a wolf, or he’s a wolf and he figured Kuru would take care of tonight’s kill, or he’s a wolf and he’s NOT gone, he just wants us to think so and the only action he’s taking is to secretly PM Mithalwen with his victim. Personally, I’m thinking it’s as simple as him just not being a wolf, though it’s entirely within the realm of possibility that he is.

Me

Well, I have been called wishy-washy, quiet, all over the place, defensive, etc. I guess I am wishy-washy, can’t deny that. But that’s because I’m not a Seer and I’m not a Wolf, so wishy-washy and all over the place is all I can be -- one feels that way when one is so completely in the dark. Maybe more experience leads to more assurance, but... then again I’m a Libra, so somehow I find that rather doubtful. I didn’t think of myself as being defensive toward Boro, and it wasn’t my intent to turn the tables on him, I was just posting on what little there was to post on at the time -- I mean I was suspicious, but no more than of anyone else. I was defensive toward Jenny, because, like I said, I thought her wolfish at the time and she scared me with her assessment. As for quiet... well, I’m here and I post when I’m here. When I’m gone, either asleep or at work or otherwise busy with eating/personal hygiene, I don’t post. Naturally.

Sleepy Ranger

Dead, poor guy.

Boro

Probably dead by the time this gets posted. Martyred be the Lone Wolf. Rather a romantic way to go, all things considered.

Anyhow, I didn’t bother with play by play’s of people’s posts, because, well, it’s already been done at this point.

I’m voting Firefoot today, unless anyone can convince me why it would be a really stupendously good idea to vote for someone else.

[Firefoot]

You can lynch me if you want on those other grounds, but this?

(SUNDAY EDIT: Note also that Firefoot was online and posted in Survivor a mere couple of hours before Boro's death was announced. Coincedence?)

I'm sorry, but this is absurd. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm on quite a bit, especially on weekends. I would bet that most of you have been on sometime in the past 24 hours. I guess that means we're all wolves, right? That is quite possibly the most shoddy evidence I have ever heard for wolvishness.

So, right, we’ve been told not to read too much into what Fea said/did

I've already addressed this point two or three times. Heck, I have even looked into Fea's posts to see what I could find there.

[Nogrod]

Do you think there is anything of interest to us in Mith's last lynching post? That "second werewolf" -anagram surely wasn't one, neither the "California Vet may make a bloomer" (7, 6), if it meant only her comment on our game: so Boromir's (7) self-revealment was a bit hasty from her viewpoint?

But what could that (6) be, who could be misguided (Oddwen (6) to vote for Morm? - too obvious & substantial hinting)? Or the other crossword that Kuru had already solved: "Gave succour to assistant with first delivery" (5). I can only think of Jenny as five-letter name, and there is no sense in that - and should the answer be a name - and is there anything of interest in these anyhow?

As there have been many people suspecting Firefoot (whom I've inclined to trust) and Kitanna (of whom I have nothing in the way or the other), I'll be doing some homework with them, and be back in some hours.

Still: a wonderful start! If we are considerate enough, we might have three wolves in three nights (unhappily, I doubt it, but we can hope)! Would that be a WW-record of some kind?

[Diamond18]

Nogrod, I somehow doubt that Mithalwen is giving us hints in her posts. Unless this is something she did in her other game? Still, seems somewhat unfair for the mod to be dropping hints....

Firefoot, as for my "Sunday edit", I threw that up there at the last second -- you were already at the top of my suspects list so it's not as significant as all that. Surely not as significant as that Kuru also complained loudly about absurd arguments which turned out to be not-so-absurd-after-all-eh-wot? yesterday.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

(SUNDAY EDIT: Note also that Firefoot was online and posted in Survivor a mere couple of hours before Boro's death was announced. Coincedence?)

Your other reasons against Firefoot have some merit, but come on now, picking on her for a post she made hours before Boromir's death is just a shot below the waist. I'm sure most of us made posts on one thread or another during the night so that shouldn't have any bearing in what we're trying to do here.

Do you think there is anything of interest to us in Mith's last lynching post? That "second werewolf" -anagram surely wasn't one, neither the "California Vet may make a bloomer" (7, 6), if it meant only her comment on our game: so Boromir's (7) self-revealment was a bit hasty from her viewpoint?

It may have something to do with Kuru's role and nothing more.
Be back in a bit with some thoughts.

[JennyHallu]

Hey, guys, checking in. I still think the analysis of Fea's and Kuru's posts that I did the other day could be useful.

I also think that looking at the voting record, (more importantly the timing of the voting record) could really help us in at least crossing some people off the list of suspects. However, I'm busy playing a game with my husband right now and will be mostly lurking for a while.

[Nogrod]

Well. I’ve been reading through all Kitanna’s and Firefoot’s posts now, in the light of both Fea’s first day analysis and Boro’s “testament”, and trying to fit them to what we know now – and what we don’t.

My inclination is to say, that they are both innocent villagers, but with Firefoot I’m more confident about it. The big difference between them is, that Firefoot seems to be logical and straightforward all the time, whereas Kitanna could be seen as really a wolfish one at the beginning, but then turning her ways totally to become a genuinely unsuspected one: that beginning can of course be explained by the “first day”, and that’s indeed the reason, why I’m leaning more towards her innocence.

And before you read forwards, please take note of the following (I don’t want to be accused as a bloodthirsty-one again...): I have have read their posts as kind of a Devil’s advocate, looking at them basically as wolves. So this is hypothethical, not substantial, with either of them...

But see for yourselves:

Case Kitanna:

#12
Anywho, I see Fea is abusing the retractable votes deal early on. Why am I not surprised?

Teaming with the other wolves with idle, but positive chatting?

#34
His first three points can be seen as reasonable, but his fourth point is more of an attack on anyone who can't get on often. Despite his overeagerness to get the silent ones I'd hesitate voting for him (at this point at least). I feel this move on his part is too wreckless for a wolf. But still Nogrod has raised a few warning flags, yet, for me it is too early to make a desicion that can comdemn him.

Defending my reasons, but still attacking me. That's the wolf's way: keep the suspicions up for the overall suspected villagers on, but detach yourself from them a bit.

#59
Now Morm is a shifty one, but I'd say between Nogrod and Morm, Nogrod is the more susipcious. But I've been toying with the idea that those two are in cahoots. It seems a wreckless move on DAY one for a team of wolves to attack each other like these two appear to be doing, but it is not utside the realm of possibilty. That's just a loose theory and not something to act on today.

From a wolf's point of view, just a perfect match: theory of two innocents having a very daring wolf-to-wolf alliance! A smart wolf could try this kind of a thing? We are at the early hours of the game still by this post...

Next is Gil for his short and unhelpful posts. While getting him on day one seems like a good idea even if he is innocent we run the risk of killing a gifted innocent. Gil probably won't change his gaming style regardless of his role, so I prefer to hold out a day before casting down a vote for him.

A wolf would defend a "known-to do-nothing-at-all" -villager in the first day, as to not lose a very good asset later on.

Fea is Fea. I have neutral feelings toward her. Nothing to condemn her or to save her.

Note the neutrality!

++Kuru
He's a dangerous enemy and I'm actually afraid of him (and Boromir and Morm for that matter). But for the most part this is random.

A safe vote for a wolf? And laying suspicion over Boro & Morm at the same time?

2nd day, Fea dead.

#117
Jenny seems to be pretty petty (and she said so herself in her first post today). She voted for Gil and then retracted it and changed it to Nogrod because "Nogrod's tone in his post against you, morm, annoyed me greatly." That sort of jumped out at me. Is she trying to defend Morm? Trying to hop on an innocent's back?

Jumping to quite quick conclusions here? Forming another wolf&wolf conspiracy with Morm in it (now Morm & Jenny)?

Boromir and Kuru seem to have engaged themselves in a battle early on today. As well as Jenny following Boromir's lead and accusing Kuru. Given Fea's history in these games and her early "joke" vote for Kuru Boromir's first post makes a good point. But there's plenty of room for doubt.

Admitting the suspicions of Boromir (wise for a wolf...). But read the next:

I am more inclined to see Kuru as a wolf, but there's enough doubt for me to hold out on voting for him. The day is still relatively young and I don't want to jump to any conclusions yet.

How could one see this, without some specific knowledge? Securing oneself as seeing Kuru being a goner?

Now there's Boromir. He seems awfully sure of himself. It's quite unnerving, but if he's right and Kuru is a wolf then we owe him a great deal of thanks. If he's wrong he's damned himself. But bear in mind even if he's wrong there's still a chance he was a misguided innocent.

Quite unnerving, for a wolf at least! Is this a slip of some real thoughts? BUt then there starts the "defence" of Kitanna.... Her reminder of the possibility of B being a misguided innocent, seems to speak for her innocence?

#121
Thank you, Diamond, for providing me with Jenny's Fea defense. She made the post minutes before voting closed. I find it hard to believe Jenny really thought Fea wasn't going to get the noose and it's just too sloppy of a move for a wolf to make. If Jenny knew when day was going to end I don't think she would have made such a statement unless she really thought Fea was innocent.

Really innocent looking & emphatic post. Seemingly really understanding Jenny's reactions. WIth really devilish eyes, you might read this as a trial of a wolf to help a controversial villager to make still another day...

#132
I trust Boromir, if he were a wolf I don't think he'd be so bold.

What else could you do? A wolf or a villager alike would make this statement...

Sorry: this seems to be quite a job. I'll send this one now, and be posting the Firefoot-part within a short while.

[mormegil]

Sadly I have been unable to read to much on this yet, but I would ask Oddwen to explain her vote for me. I dont' mind being voted for but I wonder why she would vote for me yesterday when we knew whom a wolf was.

[Nogrod]

So, to Firefoot then.

EDIT: And before you read forwards, please take note of the following (I don’t want to be accused as a bloodthirsty-one again...): I have have read their posts as kind of a Devil’s advocate, looking at them basically as wolves. So this is hypothethical, not substantial, with either of them...

#28
You say that Nogrod's too eager to lynch the quiet ones, but some of you seem extremely eager to lynch Nogrod... on the other hand, I'm not sure a wolf would be that forward.

Quite a reasonable defending of my position, but a clever wolf would do this - keeping the controversial villager alive to be lynched...

#41
B88 did contradict himself on the point of morm, as morm pointed out. He seems fairly eager to get some control in this game, but it seems like I remember that being fairly normal for him. Possibly a vote here, although I am reluctant at this early stage to vote out one of the most substantially-posting players.

Not wishing to lynch the substantial posters - wise villager-like - or then very cunning wolf-like.

Diamond went pretty far into a defense of herself because of the accusation based on her name. I'm not sure it means anything, but I have noticed that newcomer wolves are sometimes overly defensive. I'm not sure this applies here since she sounded fairly even-minded through all of it.

The way a wolf would act like: have a suspicion, and then draw yourself away from it.

++Gil-Galad
About as random as anything, I guess, and with nothing else to go on on the first day, the least helpful players can go first...

A wolf voting a silent villager! Either a very stupid (not likely in this case) or a very clever one. Firefoots early voting hours distract here, to not to take too much conclusions about them (she couldn't know, what was coming after her vote)

I don't understand this logic. Not saying anything about Nogrod's innocence or guilt, I think this is quite shaky grounds to clear him on. If he was a wolf, of course he would change his vote to Fea. I realize that you account for this, but you don't give any other reasons that I saw for marking him as innocent. Care to explain, or point me back to someplace that I missed?

She clearly notices Boro's lack of logic here: but then again, as long as I could be suspected, a wise wolf would do this: keeping up suspicions over me...

Also, I advise against trying to decipher too much out of Fea's posts about who might be innocent or guilty. Fea is insane and will have gone out of her way to confuse us all (she probably would have done that were she innocent as well). There is no way of telling how much of that she was being honest in.

The classic! And I truly see that Firefoot has been right and the accusers (Boromir, the seer, included) wrong in this matter. She did not say, that we should not look at what Fea said, but only that we should not read too much to them. But her wording about Fea's "insanity" surely bother a bit... Anyhow: she didn't call Fea "erratic and spontaneous", as some stories here seem to suggest. She just called her insane

Without much analysis, Boromir is starting to look suspicious to me.

I agreed at this point with this uneasiness as a villager, but a wise wolf would start to have ideas about Boro's seership... nb. "without much analysis" - quite unlike Firefoot in general.

#149
I would ask that you not simply go after me because Boromir suspects me; other than his dreams he is no more knowledgeable than the rest of us.

A good point we all should remember - but of course a running wolf would really like to stress this.

[Firefoot]

I've been doing a lot of thinking and perusing, but unfortunately no one is jumping out at me yet. Right now our numbers are both helping us and hurting us - helping because the more of us there are, the more time we have, but hurting because our odds for catching a wolf are not exactly good. A wolf is going to have a fairly easy time hiding here. What I'm going to try and do is build up a case for several of the villagers (depending on how long each one takes), and see what I have then.

And thank you to those of you who have given me a vote of confidence.

Cross-posting with Nogrod.

[JennyHallu]

Nogrod, I appreciate your analysis. Firefoot does look pretty good in light of your presentation, and I never really ever suspected Firefoot to begin with.

Kitanna, however, I'm less sure about.

The first quote you posted set me to thinking. "I see Fea is abusing the retractable votes"...

Maybe I'm seeing things where nothing exists, but that implies she knew already Fea had no intention of sticking with a vote for Kuruharan. Fea's perfectly capable of sticking with a random vote, wasn't she?

[Nogrod]

Well, my list of probably innocents stands now:

Firefoot
Mormegil
(and I hope this is not just wishful thinking...)

Then maybe:
Jenny
Gil = what a waste!

And you others: sorry, I just haven't had time enough to fall in to your posting with real care! But just hunches, in the order of least suspicious:

Azaelia: should read you more, at first I suspected, then not, now again, not sure...
Diamond: don't know, some wolfishness, then not. I really don't know, inclined to believe her innocent
Kitanna: it was very easy to see you as a wolf, but then it was just looking at the posts from a certain angle (could be done to anyone of us here, I think?)
Oddwen: Your Morm vote is really odd, and cries for explanation! But if Morm turns out to be a wolf, you're going to be our hero!

Just a couple of points from Fea's analysis before my time to go to sleep.

She seems to "defend" Firefoot

Firefoot is, whether on your side or not, good to have around. Her posts, especially as the game goes on, are full of substance, logical, insightful. If she's a wolf, we'll kill her later, but whether she is or not, her detail-oriented posts are helpful.

but that is reasonable talk. And I don't think all the wolves go unreasonable, just because they are wolves... They should indeed sound reasonable at some places?

Then, you see, she's not defending Kuruharan:

When he does talk, it's usually at length, but here, he's lying low. Perhaps trying to revamp his reputation? I'm willing to bandwagon him for a very good reason. But I'm probably just biased and resentful about my last experience with him as Wolf-Kuru.

It's not impossible, that a wolf would take a different stance on her companions - it would be wise indeed, but...

But what's really unnerving, is her talk about Kitanna:

I can't make up my mind whether I trust or distrust her. Basically, in my mind, if I think you're guilty, I don't worry, and if I think you're innocent, I dont' worry. I've got you placed. It's when I'm unsure that I look closer. I'm unsure of Kitanna.

This is some weird stuff! Could really be a wolf addressing another with some jesting and then leaving it innocent-looking enough?

Her only open suspicion was on Morm, whom she voted also...

[Firefoot]

First choice for a case was Diamond.

Her initial post can be read equally well as an innocent or wolf; however, given what we have seen so far from the wolves’ playing styles, it is entirely possible that she is a wolf. She sort of hints at it in a “well, I could be a wolf” sort of way – something we have already seen. She also states that she would be a good choice for the wolves during the night.

Post 36:

Everyone seems equal parts suspicious and innocent.

A wolf’s neutrality or an innocent’s unsureness?

I am paralyzed with the fear that whatever I do will cast suspicion.

Because she’s a wolf?

Post 63:

Her vote for Nogrod was, I think, genuinely in haste and would have been safe for her whether she is guilty or innocent.

Post 91

She seems extremely concerned that she may have ticked off Nogrod. In addition to this, she frequently repeats the idea that she could be killed by wolves if he is a wolf.

She sort of goes back and forth on Jenny in a non-committal sort of way.

Here’s something interesting. She never actually lists Fea in her analysis, but clumps her in with Kuru. She comments that some of their activities were suspicious, but never draws any real conclusions about them – rather, we have a “I don’t know why I’m even trying to figure this out” sort of comment. Hm…

She doesn’t seem to draw any conclusions about anyone else, although lots of people are “interesting.” Another Hm…

Post 104

She says that she is inclined to think that Fea’s jumping on Kuru was a wolf going for an innocent – trying to protect her fellow wolf?

Post 110

She agrees with my point about not putting too much thought into words. I could see this at face value or as a wolf taking others’ words to cast their weight onto suspicions.

Post 114

This post definitely seems to speak for Diamond’s innocence. It seems more genuine than her other posts and is more difficult to read as a wolf’s posting.

Post 130

This is where she lists the possibilities for Boro’s seer claim. Could this be some kind of attempt to protect her fellow wolf by getting people to suspect Boro?

Post 134

She does vote for Kuru, perhaps seeing the hopelessness of the other options. If she’s a wolf, I don’t see how she would have much of a chance if she had done otherwise.

Post 146

All of a sudden she decides that Jenny, whom she had been suspicious of for a while, is probably innocent, and I, whom she had been trusting, is probably guilty. Granted, she did have some more information to go off of, but she does not provide a lot of reasoning for this except that she has looked at Fea’s and Kuru’s posts. This complete switch does strike me as slightly odd. She also indicates her thinking that Nogrod is probably innocent, but this doesn’t seriously contradict anything she had previously said.

Post 148

Now she’s allowing for the possibility of Nogrod’s wolvishness again.

Post 162

What really caught my eye was that in her accusation of me she seems to have paid no mind to defenses I had posted to those same points. The rest of her analysis does seem straightforward and reasonable, however if she were a wolf, of course it would be because she would know all of those people are actually innocent.

Post 165

While she says that her Sunday Edit was mostly last minute, she still does sort of cling to it and my reaction. This is seeming rather desperate.

Final reaction: Diamond has certainly moved up on my suspicion list. Although I did this primarily in the Devil’s Advocate state of mind, some of these arguments are really beginning to make some sense. I won’t vote for her until I’ve looked closer at some other people, though. Especially Kitanna - other people's arguments are making some sense, so I would like to have a look for myself.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I've been doing a lot of thinking and perusing, but unfortunately no one is jumping out at me yet. Right now our numbers are both helping us and hurting us - helping because the more of us there are, the more time we have, but hurting because our odds for catching a wolf are not exactly good. A wolf is going to have a fairly easy time hiding here.

Well, I agree, that this is our dilemma now!

After the best possible start we find ourselves in the direst of problem: too many to suspect, too many chances to kill innocents. And one wolf hides much more easily than two... I would like us to get the wolf done away with, by as few innocent deaths as possible. That's a kind of measure for success. So let's keep our minds calm and think carefully - and hope that Gil-kind of guys do not be the ones to turn the tide on voting...

I will be here quite erratically today (gametime) as I have too much work to do, but I'll try to read everything, bit by bit during some pauses, and to come up with a grounded vote before the voting time ends.

[Nogrod]

Diamond #91

Kuru
His first post made me think he was supposed to be Barney Fife, as it seemed a fairly good Don Knotts impersonation. But that’s neither here nor there, and anyway, I don’t think Dep. Fife was ex-CID. As far as werewolfishness goes, well, Fea did jump on him right away. That’s pretty suspicious, considering her true identity. She retracted it soon after, but the whole cheeky “I heart you Kuruharan” -- hiiiighly suspicious. Though everyone keeps saying she plays the game the same way whether wolf or no, so why am I even bothering trying to figure anything out that way....

I might agree with Firefoot on this. It seems very odd analysis indeed... (she didn't use any of that much space to total foolishness in the beginning of the analysis on anyone else but Kuru.... to hide the lack of substance that is of course demanding when you are a wolf describing another one?)

And Valar forbid, that as I seem to be trusting Firefoot even more and more, that she really is the innocent villager I think she is... Well, one has to choose sometimes.

[Firefoot]

After looking at Kitanna's posts, I am rather torn. Some good arguments are made, but I'm not really sure that they stand up. Her early and fairly confident suspicions of Kuru are quite uncanny and disturbing to me. This more than anything else speaks as a wolf covering her tracks rather than a dead-on innocent.

I think that this quote of Fea's was misunderstood:

I can't make up my mind whether I trust or distrust her. Basically, in my mind, if I think you're guilty, I don't worry, and if I think you're innocent, I dont' worry. I've got you placed. It's when I'm unsure that I look closer. I'm unsure of Kitanna.

The whole part that I bolded goes together, sort of an aside from the analysis of Kitanna to explain some things. She isn't talking specifically about Kitanna in any of the bolded part.

Her only open suspicion was on Morm, whom she voted also...

I noticed this also, and was intending to go back and look closer at Morm as well. Morm is one of those people that I have a bad habit of being inclined to trust right off the bat, which is definitely a bad thing. So I want to look at him closer.

And Valar forbid, that as I seem to be trusting Firefoot even more and more, that she really is the innocent villager I think she is... Well, one has to choose sometimes.

I might say the same of you, Nogrod...

[Nogrod]

I agree with you Firefoot.

Kitanna does look suspicious, and Morm, because of his seeming innocentness (and Boro's open backing) would need a closer look. And there's something in Diamond too, as you pointed out.

And this is just our plague right now: there's only one wolf within us, and we start to suspect all around us - and feel guilty to trust anyone...

Still I just believe you two (Firefoot & Morm) innocent. Maybe that's a bad sign, but both of you can't be wolves!

Good night, everyone!

[Firefoot]

Points of interest about Morm (not enough time/slightly too lazy to do a complete synopsis):

True but know that I am.

Yes they would.

Morm would almost seem to be arguing his own wolvishness here.

Post 57 - His extreme defensiveness to Nogrod's accusations certainly catch the eye.

Post 66 - He's the one to point out the "Fea's a wolf" statement. Now, this would seem audacious for a wolf, but given his earlier "Yes they would" statement...

Post 77 - Changes his vote to Fea. See above.

Posts 139-40 - He goes back to his more typical, reasonable tone of posting. The switch more than anything catches the eye.

Fea:
I'm too uncertain of Nogrod's guilt for Morm's insistence to sit right. Please forgive me if I'm voting against an innocent or, Mith Forbid, a seer.

This is interesting - it would be a clever way of putting it if Morm were a wolf. She votes for him, but she puts emphasis on the point that he could be innocent or even the seer. Sort of a "I'm not convinced of this so you shouldn't vote for Morm."

Also of note from Fea's post is how closely she intertwines Morm and Nogrod, as if the two are inextricably related. In fact, her post would seem to point towards Nogrod's guilt - this time in a "I sort of suspect him, but don't focus on him" sort of way.

Now perhaps you all see why I said take care in looking at Fea's posts? She is undoubtedly laughing at all this right now because you can't take any straight meaning out of them.

[Diamond18]

A lot of new posts since I last checked -- lot to read up on. But I'll address this one first:

Here’s something interesting. She never actually lists Fea in her analysis,

That's because Fea was dead when I wrote it.

What really caught my eye was that in her accusation of me she seems to have paid no mind to defenses I had posted to those same points.

I was keeping in mind that a wolf would of course defend herself, so tell-tale posts by others have a more concrete standing in my mind. For instance, Kuru-wolf seemed to be rather insulted that Boro was using Fea's post to finger him, and defended himself quite logically. In the end, Kuru was a wolf. Could be the same thing happening here? You defend yourself reasonably, but so did he. I believed him until Boro said "I'm the seer you idiots!" (to paraphrase ) so I am quite leery of trusting anyone's self-defenses again. Which, of course, if I were not me, includes my own.

While she says that her Sunday Edit was mostly last minute, she still does sort of cling to it and my reaction. This is seeming rather desperate.

While I was thinking the same thing about your post... I just thought you seemed to latch onto that one observation (which I allowed to be coincedence) in my whole post in a rather upset fashion. Everyone here is a big kid with a mind of their own, so I don't think you have to worry so much about everyone saying, "Gee, Diamond, you're right, that's conclusive!" Ergo, when you call me out on it right away, I have to naturally wonder; is it just knee-jerk innocent defensiveness? (which it could be) Or is it a wolf looking for one thing to harp on as "absurd" so that everyone says, "You're right, Firefoot, Diamond is clearly desperate and illogical!"?

Especially Kitanna - other people's arguments are making some sense, so I would like to have a look for myself.

Kitanna is high on my list as well... basically from being unable to come to any conclusion about her. We could be sharing a mindset here... or you could, wolfishly, have sniffed out a weak member. You could be raising other people's suspicions about me and trying to direct my suspicions onto Kitanna. My lack of decisiveness about Kitanna might allow me to be easily led where she is concerned. It would certainly be a smart thing to do, were you a wolf.

Which reminds me:

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Your other reasons against Firefoot have some merit, but come on now, picking on her for a post she made hours before Boromir's death is just a shot below the waist. I'm sure most of us made posts on one thread or another during the night so that shouldn't have any bearing in what we're trying to do here.

"Picking on her"? "Shot below the waist"? What is this, kindergarten? I'm just taking everything into account, from the vaguely suspicious to the definitely suspicious. I simply noted that Firefoot and Mithalwen's posts were back to back within this forum (which they were before I posted and bumped this thread to the top of the page) which could, possibly, indicate that Mithalwen was waiting on Firefoot to be able to make her post. Mithalwen's haste certainly does indicate that she was waiting on someone and didn't get a chance to write her post until she had little time left to do so.

Am I saything this conclusively declares Firefoot guilty? No. This could mean absolutely nothing. 99% of what we discuss about each other could mean absolutely nothing. But for some reason, my observartion was "a shot below the waist". Okay. This rather reminds me of the lynch-mob surrounding Nogrod on the first day, when the number 1 reason for killing him was because he was being "mean" to the quieter players.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

(re: my #91 post) ... I might agree with Firefoot on this. It seems very odd analysis indeed... (she didn't use any of that much space to total foolishness in the beginning of the analysis on anyone else but Kuru.... to hide the lack of substance that is of course demanding when you are a wolf describing another one?)

This is easy to explain. Kuru and I are friends on the board outside this game. We've been friends for a while, originating in our shared participation in the Revenge/Reunification of the Entish Bow RPGs. I also invited him to play this game, via PM, when sign-up was slow and we needed more numbers among us to begin. Ergo, my initial outlook on Kuru was friendly, though I knew he could be a wolf, as could everyone.

I would ask that you not read too much into this fact, because my friendship with Kuru outside of the game is completely unrelated to the roles Mithalwen gave us inside the game.

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I have just gotten in, and I am a bit worried because I will have to vote in an hour or so (as I will be in school tomorrow until well after the end of the day), and I have absoloutely nothing to go on. The wolf's move last night was completely predictable, and leaves a lot of room for speculation.

I am leaning toward Morm's and Norgod's innocence just because neither of them has recently done anything to make me suspicious of them (I consider first day antics to be well behind us now).

Which leaves only Firefoot on my list of suspects. She would be dangerous as a wolf--she's certainly clever and sneaky enough to elude us. However, on that note, I do not think it is fair to go around behind her back and look at posting times on other threads. This is why it's such a big deal that everyone, innocent or guilty, sets themselves as "invisible" in their options panel. I don't think that anything that goes on outside this thread should have any bearing at all on what goes on inside the game. I am often on at odd times, frequently during the Night, just because of my school schedule and timezone. I'm innocent...but should someone use that against me in an attempt to prove my guilt? One of the key elements of this game is that we don't know what goes on at night. That should apply to analyzing other threads for times of posts, too.

[JennyHallu]

I agree that activity during the Night is not at all a good measure of innocence or guilt. I'm online at all hours of both Days and Nights...

But, and especially after some of the excellent analyses that have been done today, I really don't think that Firefoot seems wolvish. Boro's suspicion was based on speculation, unlike his dreams of Fea and Kuru. They really don't carry any more weight, in my eyes, than any of the analyses we have done today.

Firefoot has been consistent and clear, and has come across as very helpful to this village.

There have been good points made about Diamond, but I'm willing to put some of her inconsistencies to the fact that she's new to the game. I think we should keep a close eye on her, but she is not my main suspect.

Kitanna also seems suspicious. So far, I think it is her that I will vote for at the end of the day.

Except for a nagging worry that we have 4 fairly quiet villagers here, and I really don't know what to think of them. Azaelia, you're one of them, but I'm not really as worried about you. You have been very upfront about your time limitations, and you have tried very hard to give clear and thorough reasoning behind each of your votes.

Gil-Galad is...well...Gil-Galad. But I'm inclined to believe he's innocent, due to the timing of his vote for Kuru. Granted, it's Gil, but I think a wolvish Gil wouldn't have voted for a fellow wolf there.

Oddwen has not really posted enough for me to feel comfortable classing her in any direction.

Morm has really surprised me with his quietness in this village. His posts have seemed substantive, but he has seemed content to mostly observe the village, and I don't think I've gotten a firm hold on his views on the rest of us.

That's all I've got right now, but I thought you might enjoy not being alone in the village

[Azaelia of Willowbottom]

I've been reviewing the thread but have not come up with much anything new at all, but now it is time for me to vote. I am sorry for the lack of real support behind this, but an early vote is rarely a good vote. I am more often than not wrong, so please kindly take this vote with a grain of salt. It's difficult for me to vote this early because there's hardly an inkling of a direction that people are going to take this Day so far. I actually have a feeling that votes are going to be pretty all over the place, I've heard so many names mentioned: Firefoot, Kitanna, Morm...Even my own has appeared on various lists.

However, I am going to go back on my previous post because I realized, while reading over my list made yesterDay, that one name sprang out at me.

++Oddwen

I realize this may seem out of the blue for many of you, but I am just completely bemused by her behavior. Voting for Firefoot just didn't feel right, so on further review, I remembered how confused I was by Oddwen's behavior yesterDay--By the time of her vote, Kuru's fate was sealed, and pretty much everyone was sure he was a wolf and that Boro was the seer (which turned out to be just that case). But then she comes in with a poorly-explained vote for Morm in post #152. She points out that Norgod might be innocent, using one of Fea's posts and logic to back that up, but then says that because of this Morm is suspicious, and moves on to vote for him. I don't know how to explain it but that entire post was one big red flag to me. Sure, Morm is dangerous if he's a wolf, but nothing he's done so far has seemed that suspicious to me.

So I chose Oddwen today, for better or for worse. I'm not really trying to get a bandwaggon rolling, or anything. I'm just bringing up another name that I think merits looking at. Please take into account, when disagreeing with me (it's bound to happen), that I write this at a disadvantage: I don't get to watch everyone else's behavior for the remainder of the day and choose that way. I just have to follow my (frequently-wrong) instincts. So yeah. Enough of this rambling, it's my bedtime, I've had a busy day, I'm tired, and I have a feeling that I'm getting less coherent. I have an early wake-up tomorrow to get to school. So supposing I'm not wolf bait tonight, I'll see you the next Day.

ETA: Jenny, thanks for the vote of confidence: Time constraints are hard, so I try to be thorough when I get the chance to log on.

[Gil-Galad]

i have returned but i am very tired so alas i must abstain my vote again this round till tomorrow if i am still alive, hopefully we get the wolf tonight

[JennyHallu]

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This is getting kind of creepy. This is not participation. If you hope we get a wolf, Gil, why don't you even pretend to try to help?

[Oddwen]

Originally Posted by Morm

I would ask Oddwen to explain her vote for me. I dont' mind being voted for but I wonder why she would vote for me yesterday when we knew whom a wolf was.

It was because I was assured of Kuruwolf's death, and I was thinking that we had an extra half-day to find the third wolf, and I was thinking that Morm was my most likely candidate...but gee, voting for him was a bit strange. *scratches head*

And as of yet, nothing from he.

*sigh* time's running out, more in the morning.

[Firefoot]

Well, I had meant to post again, but my computer started spazzing out about two hours ago and has only just now let me access the Downs again, and now it's time for me to go to bed. So I will say my thoughts very much in brief.

That's because Fea was dead when I wrote it.

I do want to apologize for this - I was only paying attention to your posts, not the Days.

I would ask that you not read too much into this fact, because my friendship with Kuru outside of the game is completely unrelated to the roles Mithalwen gave us inside the game.

But my posting in another thread is? At least that accusation had basis in the game thread...

As for overall suspicions, I'm about here:

Most suspicion:

Diamond
Kitanna

Medium suspicion:

Mormegil
Jenny (because I really haven't paid much attention to her... I should probably do that. But it won't happen toDay - no time...)

Probably innocent:

Azaelia
Nogrod

Not sure:

Oddwen (not so annoying)
Gil-Galad (extremely annoying)

Right now, I'm not quite sure where my vote is going. I'm not really comfortable with a vote for either Kitanna or Diamond, so it may bump down to Morm. And if I don't like any of those it will be either Oddwen or Gil. I'll be back in seven or eight hours to vote - I'll make my final decision then.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

i have returned but i am very tired so alas i must abstain my vote again this round till tomorrow if i am still alive, hopefully we get the wolf tonight

I do not care what is seen of my vote but I cannot tolerate this as a matter of principle. If he's a wolf great, if not at least we are rid of the problem. Possibly we could orchestrate a double lynching.

++Gil-Galad

My other top suspects are:

Oddwen
Kitanna
Diamond18

FYI I do not intend on changing my vote unless I am convinced that somebody is a wolf. As it stands we can get our psuedo-cobbler out of the way. (please note I realize that we don't actually have a cobbler but Gil does such a good job of it)

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

First person to speak up accuses me right off the bat. Why am I not surprised it's Boromir? He was the first to express a desire to kill, before this black day even started. A sure sign of unnatural, beastly blood lust.

But does this mean he's a werewolf? Does his seeming obsession with Wile E. Coyote indicate a certain proclivity for doggishness, stemming from his wolfish true nature? Who can say? He might just be your average male.

Here's some food for thought: if I am killed in the night, it might either be Boro or someone trying to look like Boro. Or Boro trying to look like someone trying to look like Boro. Which means, in essence, any logic behind my death will be canceled out. Which means, I'm an easy kill -- when I die you'll be too busy trying to figure out the logic behind it to see other, clearer hints that point toward the wolves.

In essence, you should not lynch me today because I am the perfect ambiguous kill for the werewolves in the night. Maybe not this night, but eventually, mark my words. If you lynch me in hopes that the wolves will pick another victim, you'll be hanging an innocent on purpose and that's just nasty.

If you think I'm a wolf, well, there's really no evidence for or against at this point, so all you have is a guess.

But wouldn't you rather wait to see who the wolves kill first? Boro or me?

I'm not exactly advocating that you not lynch Boro. I realize that standing up for any fellow villager casts pack suspicion on me. Of course, since I know that, would I as a werewolf endanger myself so? Or would I do it on purpose in the assurance that you'll think I couldn't possibly be that stupid? There is no sure answer. So if I say, "Don't lynch me or Boro today," I leave it to you guess whether it's due to the above stated reasons or secret werewolf plotting. Though, if you'd like my opinion, if I were a werewolf I'd find the whole "They won't think I'd do the obvious" scheme to be a little too cheeky. Mainly, I'm just trying save my own derriere by convincing you I'm too interesting to kill.

Diamond I questioned you once on this exact post and you have yet to answer, so I pose the question a second time. Why did you post this? It makes very little sense to me and seems to me that you are very nervous, and those who would be the most nervous are the wolves or the seer. I bolded a couple of parts that were really odd, however the whole post is exremely odd. I realize it was an opening post but it struck me as suspicious.

Originally Posted by JennyHallu

Morm has really surprised me with his quietness in this village. His posts have seemed substantive, but he has seemed content to mostly observe the village, and I don't think I've gotten a firm hold on his views on the rest of us.

This seems to be a growing problem for me. Lately, the past couple of months, I have been busier than normal and therefore able to post less frequently and its interesting for me to change the style of play. Rarely have I been accused of being quiet so it's always interesting.

Back on track, I find Firefoot as innocent as any that I think innocent. Kitanna I just can't put a finger on, Fea's 'analysis' of her strikes me as her being guilty but she's posted well enough for me to think her innocent. For now I will give her the benefit of the doubt.

I have a proposal to our despotic ruler give us two votes each today, granted that we all agree to vote Gil as one of them, that way you can take out the two highest vote recipients and rid us of this annoyance.

Edit: Jenny I just looked and currently I have the fourth highest post count...that's quiet? I wonder why you would think that of me. It actually raises my suspicion of you somewhat.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Firefoot

But my posting in another thread is? At least that accusation had basis in the game thread...

Note I said "I ask". He can think whatever he likes, use whatever info he likes, from wherever he likes. It's not going to bother me if he uses my friendly behavior toward Kuru as a factor, but since it does actually have an explanation, I thought I'd give it. You, on the other hand, got in a bit of a dudgeon (thanks for the WotD, Jenny) that I would dare insinuate such a thing as I pointed out might mean something. There's a difference.

Originally Posted by Morm

Diamond I questioned you once on this exact post and you have yet to answer, so I pose the question a second time. Why did you post this?

Errrr... sorry, Morm, I don't remember you asking. ??? Oh well, I'm not actually sure how to answer it, but I'll try....

Originally Posted by Morm cont.

It makes very little sense to me and seems to me that you are very nervous, and those who would be the most nervous are the wolves or the seer. I bolded a couple of parts that were really odd, however the whole post is exremely odd. I realize it was an opening post but it struck me as suspicious.

I guess I thought people would remember that there was banter in the admin. thread about Boromir 'not playing nice' and also lynching me and someone else 'in a nice way'. I had some banter back about 'not if I kill you first'. When Boro fingered me, albeit jokingly, in his first post, it was a continuation of banter from the admin thread. Since I thought other people might have made note of it, I thought you'd take it into consideration should one of us be killed. We'd pretty much stated our intent to kill each other before the game even started.

As far as it being extremely odd, well, I guess that means either,

A: I'm a wolf, because wolves act odd... that's a rule, I guess?
B: I'm extremely odd
C: I'm inexperieced and too stupid to live. (I'll help you with the lynching if that's the case.)

Anyway, I'm just about for bed, now. I've been debating whether or not to cast a vote before doing that. Because while I can get up in time to read and post tomorrow before work, that only assumes that no one else will be using the computer, and my mother sort of considers that time of day hers for the computer. And if she's using it there's no possible way I could explain that I need it for an hour or so to read and post in a game.

So, just in case I can't get on in time, I'll vote now. This day has pretty much been egg beaters for the mind, and I'm not at all sure of anything at this point. But as I started out with a strong suspicion of Firefoot I'll stick with it. People describe her posts as consistent and logical... and sure they are... but what I fail to see is why a wolf can't be consistent and logical. I don't think it's going to matter, anyway, since I don't think anyone else intends to vote for her.

+ + Firefoot

Maybe I'll change if I get on tomorrow. But I doubt it. Gil's been pretty much a non-factor but I don't feel comfortable with the idea of voting a likely villager off, and his being absent during the time when Boro was killed makes me think him a likely villager. The only reasons I can think of to change at this point is if the wolf slips up in some magnificent way, or if four people vote for me, in which case I'd rather commit suicide than allow myself to be killed by you all in such an ignominous fashion. But it doesn't look like that many people are intending to vote for me, at this point. So in all likelihood my vote stands.

[Firefoot]

Half of me wants to vote for Diamond, the other half isn't sure.

A lot of me wants to vote for Gil, but I don't exactly think he's a wolf. I just want him out of here.

I'm tempted to vote for Kitanna - there are definitely some incongruities about her.

I don't really want to vote for Morm.

I'm not comfortable voting for Oddwen.

In light of this...

++Diamond

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by mormegil

I have a proposal to our despotic ruler give us two votes each today, granted that we all agree to vote Gil as one of them, that way you can take out the two highest vote recipients and rid us of this annoyance.

Think carefully before you ask such things.

On reflection, including Gil-Galad in a game could be seen as a triumph of hope over experience. I am in a difficult situation since while I consider his participation inadequate it is not non-existant. I did ask that for such a small and short game people only signed up if they knew they had no prior commitments, so I do find this irritating. Clearly noone does read my instructions but I did state that if I found it necessary I would take action appropriately. And I will but I don't think that moment has arrived. If a substantial proportion of you disagreee let me know.

For today you have one vote each - use them wisely.

[JennyHallu]

Sorry...I slept. I'll try to answer your question, Morm:

Edit: Jenny I just looked and currently I have the fourth highest post count...that's quiet? I wonder why you would think that of me. It actually raises my suspicion of you somewhat.

Honestly, I do not keep track of post count. That's why I'm always a little startled when someone points out I'm at the top of that list. Also, a high post count could always mean that you're pulling a Lommy and quadruple posting.

What has confused me about you is that you seem to be sitting somewhat to the side of the discussion through the day. You aren't on often, but post (often double-posting) often in that time. You bring up specific points against those you suspect, but not all those you suspect (what's your reasoning behind your suspicion of Oddwen?)

You also do not respond to arguments made by those you trust. I don't mean arguments against you, but general discussion.

Also, your determination to get Gil kicked out of the game is a little odd. If you had evidence to show you felt him wolvish, I would understand, but otherwise I don't see any harm in letting him be. He's annoying, but that's it. I don't want to decrease our lead against the wolf except for a good reason.

EDIT: I also never claimed you felt wolvish, Morm, you just...I can't peg you.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by JennyHallu

Also, your determination to get Gil kicked out of the game is a little odd. If you had evidence to show you felt him wolvish, I would understand, but otherwise I don't see any harm in letting him be. He's annoying, but that's it. I don't want to decrease our lead against the wolf except for a good reason.

Two reasons which I already gave.

1. The principle of it.
2. He's an enigma right now and many of us a speaking a lot about him. So eliminating that would help to clear up our discussions.

(what's your reasoning behind your suspicion of Oddwen?)

She has acted strangely. Her vote for me yesterday was extremely odd. She has been very quiet, which is unnerving to me. The way in which Fea spoke of her was exactly what I was looking for to identify another wolf. What I mean by that is Fea would cast some light suspicion on her fellow wolves, so as to not arouse our suspicion if she were to die. That's one of the reasons I have less suspicion over Firefoot, Fea somewhat defended her.

[JennyHallu]

That's reasonable...but I'm not sure I agree. I think the remaining wolf wouldn't have called attention to him/herself by voting outside a seer-based bandwaggon like Oddwen did. It was odd. I'm not sure if it was wolvish.

I'm in a bit of a fix. My top suspect right now is Kitanna...but I don't want to spread the vote out too terribly far in such a small village. I think I'll wait and see if anything interesting happens before voting.

Where does voting stand right now?

I know there are votes for:

Firefoot
Diamond18
Oddwen
Gil-Galad

Among these, I most suspect Diamond, but I have no confidence in that. Her vote for Firefoot casts her in an odd light. It seems a bit of an about-face on her earlier position. I will probably vote for her, rather than open yet another can of worms by voting for Kitanna, but I think I will wait for Nogrod and Kitanna to appear in the village.

[Kitanna]

Eek, I'm sorry, I had planned to get on yesterday to voice my concerns about some people, but every time I sat down someone would call or I'd have to study and even now I don't have that much time to say what I want. So, I'm going to be brief.

I see most people have placed Diamond, Firefoot, Morm, and myself on their suspect list. For me I suspect Diamond the most. I also have some suspicions of Oddwen and I see I'm not alone.

Morm really seems to be going for Gil and though it seems odd after I read his latest post I'm not sure I blame him. I thought about voting for Gil out of sheer annoyance, but I'm not sure that's the best use of my vote.

Now my biggest reason to suspect Oddwen is yesterday's vote for morm. She gave a reason today.

It was because I was assured of Kuruwolf's death, and I was thinking that we had an extra half-day to find the third wolf, and I was thinking that Morm was my most likely candidate...but gee, voting for him was a bit strange. *scratches head*

So, pretty much, she knew Kuru was going to die and she wanted to get a head start on her suspicion of morm, even though she knew her vote wouldn't count. I'm not entirely sure how to take that. It's all very fishy.

Diamond doesn't sit right with me because she always seems so overly defensive. Eh, maybe that's just me. She has made quite the case against Firefoot today. I don't know how that whole scenario will play out today, so I want to wait and see how voting goes. So, I don't think I shall be voting for Firefoot or Diamond.

That leaves me with Oddwen from my top suspect list.

++Oddwen
Oddwen has been an engima for most of this game. She's popped in and been more helpful than Gil, but she leaves a lot of room for suspicion.

[JennyHallu]

She has made quite the case against Firefoot today.

That's just it...she hasn't. Her posts have been one long defensive diatribe after another. She really hasn't made any case against her at all except for a statement Firefoot made yesterDay about not reading too much into Fea's posts. Kitanna, I'm still a little leery of you, but I think I've made my decision (for now):

++Diamond18

[Oddwen]

'Kay, this isn't going to be much "more" I fear - stupid clock.

People that I'm inclined to believe are innocent -

Jenny - she's been very levelheaded, even when celebrating (),

Gil - yeah, I know he's practically nonexistent. But if he isn't a wolf, then he's innocent and he's a buffer.

Diamond - being as this is her first game, and she's not read any game but the first, she's not acting as a first-time Werewolf would act, I think. More along the lines of an ignorant innocent.

People I see as suspicious -

Kitanna - her vote for me seems too much of a "safe" vote, because it's not the first.

Nogrod - too much "I trust you Firefoot" or "I agree with Firefoot" - is he trying to latch onto a prominent innocent? Also - he seems too enthusiastic. Not "I'm so wrapped up in this game gotta lynch a wolf!" enthusiastic just...almost thrashing about?

I have to leave for work now. I can only pray this hasty vote goes not amiss -

++NOGROD

[JennyHallu]

OK, now I begin to see what you guys were worried about. But I'm afraid the oddity of Oddwen makes me think her less and less of a wolf. I understand her haste, but you think a wolf would notice that she was tied for a lynching. Nogrod, I'd like to see what you have to say concerning Oddwen or Diamond. Are you lurking?

EDIT: Also, eventually someone has to vote for someone second, Oddwen. We can't end up with one vote each and Our Fearless Leader forced to close her eyes and randomly pick.

[Nogrod]

This is getting quite interesting, I must say!

Just some notes here. I'lll be back and hang around during the last hour or so (try to read some papers in between now and then).

Diamond has shown the persuasiveness of a rational argumentation. I almost took her as the believably innocent, before I got to think about her own argument against Firefoot (why souldn't wolves be rational and consistent?). So now: I don't know.

Oddwen I would still suspect a bit: the odd vote could be seen as a call for discussion, but it's not very neat call! Couldn't she have just asked Morm some questions? I admit seeing a parallel with my own Morm-vote the first day, but that I know, was done with some frustration and first day nausea for that frequent attacking on me.

Kitanna still is the only one I have even a shabby theory about. So confident at first with a couple of able wolves beside her, going around quite wolvishly, arousing wolf-on-wolf attacks twice (me & Morm, Morm & Jenny), wanting not to vote for Gil (that's the wolf's choice at the first day. and others too) etc. Then when Fea dies and as Kuru gets himself in tightening situation, she changes her style of playing and goes for Kuru (she did the safe vote on day one?). Being the most lovable towards picked innocents - seeing Jenny's innocence in her cry for Fea etc.

Not a good case, but only one I can offer by now. What do you others (Kitanna included) think? Without better ideas I might vote for this.

Gil we should spare now, as Mith seems to be earnest about doing something to him as a goddess. Although, if we don't have any better ideas than these we already have, we still risk lynching an innocent, and then that one could better be Gil than anuone really playing, and innocent?

And Oddwen: Nice to hear to be accused of being enthusiastic! At least I am not confused with Gil...

But what you say about me "clinging" to the most innocent, I must come forwards with you. I think she really isn't so innocent by many here - and I just hope (and somewhat trust) her innocent: she would be a terrible wolf indeed. But at some point you will need to trust someone, and if that one trusts you, all the better. If you just suspect everyone and let everyone suspect you, it gets too messy and schitzoprhenic!