Riddles in the Downs - Page 5 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

nobody · 12-05-2004, 02:02 AM

No its a group of people that I'm looking for (only one of them is named and the whole group doesn't really have a name either.)

Soronumë · 01-17-2005, 06:41 AM

Okay, I have no idea.. but I'm stupid and haven't read LotR on English... Anyway I just wanted to pop out and say how cool quiz this seems to be. ^^

Marky Lazer · 01-17-2005, 08:27 AM

I made a new thread not realising there was a similar one around. So, The Saucepan Man told me to post it here...

What character, item or race of Arda do I mean?

He is so fat
Not big of height
Man but not quite
In holes like rats

Soronumë · 01-17-2005, 09:55 AM

I think there was another riddle going on, but time has passed and none has answered... :S
But I think I know that! a Hobbit!

Marky Lazer · 01-19-2005, 02:27 AM

Not quite... Close, but not correct yet.

Nuranar · 01-19-2005, 08:33 AM

Bombur?

Quote:

I think there was another riddle going on, but time has passed and none has answered.

This is from the Rules for the Quiz Room:

Quote:

3. A thread may be considered stagnant if after at least 10 days:

no new question has been asked following confirmation of a correct answer, or
no response has been given by the question setter to the last answer.

In addition, a thread may be considered stagnant if there has been no new post for 10 days or more. In any of these circumstances, anyone may ask a new question on the topic.

So we're good to go. I'm glad this thread has been brought back up; it's one of my favorites.

~ Nuranar

Marky Lazer · 01-19-2005, 08:55 AM

No, Bombur isn't correct either.

It is a race (but not the dwarfs), Soronumë was on the right track...

Soronumë · 01-19-2005, 01:15 PM

awh... *thinks* this would be a LOT easier if I only had read LotR on English.... :S

Nuranar · 01-19-2005, 07:48 PM

The Woses, represented by Ghân-buri-Ghân? He is fat and not tall, and a Wild Man - not quite like the rest of Men of Middle-Earth. The only part I can't find a reference for is "in holes like rats."

Marky Lazer · 01-20-2005, 03:24 AM

It is a bit of a nasty one, so I toss in another hint...

It's one of the three ancient hobbit-kinds.

Soronumë · 01-20-2005, 07:23 AM

That doesn't still help me.... My friend has borrowed my copy of LotR... And still it wouldn't help since I could only say the Finnish version.

Nuranar · 01-20-2005, 09:06 AM

The Stoors are the broadest and heaviest (fattest), but the only mention of holes is made in reference to the Harfoots. Since it is said that all hobbits are inclined to be fat, I'm going to plunk for...

The Harfoots:

He is so fat - hobbitish, that's all (?)
Not big of height - "the Harfoots were... smaller, and shorter..."
Man but not quite - a hobbit, of course!
In holes like rats - "They... longest preserved their ancestral habit of living in tunnels and holes."

- LotR, Prologue, Concerning Hobbits

Marky Lazer · 01-21-2005, 02:16 AM

Which is correct!

Take it away Nuranar!

Nuranar · 01-23-2005, 05:57 PM

I, aloof but not alone, unsullied;
One of three, sundered, but close;
Seeing and hearing, perhaps, but
Never replying, heedless of the great voice.

Who or what is the speaker?

Garen LiLorian · 01-23-2005, 06:01 PM

Hmm. Sounds like one of the Elven rings.

Quote:

One of three, sundered, but close;

Leads me to believe the answer is Narya, the ring of Fire, wielded by Gandalf (since the other two were wielded by Elves... That's a little weak, I know)

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 01-23-2005, 06:06 PM

Tol Brandir

I, aloof but not alone, unsullied;- Had never been stepped on by man

One of three, sundered, but close;- one of three hills separated by the Anduin

Seeing and hearing, perhaps, but- the other two are Amon Hen, the hill of sight, and Amon Lhaw, the hill of hearing

Never replying, heedless of the great voice.- There is no hill of Speech

, the great voice would be Rauros.

Sophia

Nuranar · 01-23-2005, 07:20 PM

Carry on, Thunder Mistress!

Quote:

There is no hill of Speech

Of course not. Who ever heard a hill talk?

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 01-24-2005, 04:19 AM

I do know I should never attempt rhyme at 5 a.m.

Ere sea was broken I was not
yet rose when Atalante fell
Once sunset's home, her final stop
Now flaming birth I see as well

*Draws large black Xs over the riddle* I suspect the above riddle is actually deranged and request all of your permission to create a new one. I shall have it up this evening if you lovely people can be patient.

Soronumë · 01-25-2005, 09:00 AM

Valinor???

Marky Lazer · 01-26-2005, 01:34 PM

Oomph, I really could use a hint in here...

Evisse the Blue · 01-27-2005, 02:11 AM

Arien aka The Sun?

Marky Lazer · 01-27-2005, 03:44 AM

With some thoughts of Evisse...

Ere sea was broken I was not
Arda was originally a flat world, the continents (Aman, Hither Lands and Darkland) were surrounded by a mighty ocean. So, it was pretty early when this 'thing' was already there...

yet rose when Atalante fell
Atalantë, Quenya for Númenor after its Downfall in II 3319. Though the Sun first rose at the beginning of the First Age...

Once sunset's home, her final stop
Doesn't makes sense, the sun comes back every day, doesn't it?

Now flaming birth I see as well
Is this like Heart of Fire (Anar or any name for the sun...) then it DOES make sense...

Ah... you got to help us out Sophia!

Garen LiLorian · 01-27-2005, 10:19 AM

I don't have an answer, at least not one that I think is right, but in the spirit of helpfulness;
The only lead I have is that it is something far to the west. The last two lines seem to refer to the changing of Arda from flat to round, if that's any help.
My only guess is 'the Waves'
The first line doesn't make sense, but
Atalante was destroyed by a tidal wave,
The Sun sets on the waves in the West, and since Arda was changed it also rises from them in the East.

I don't really think this is right, but maybe it'll spur someone else's thought processes.

Neithan · 01-27-2005, 12:18 PM

I have been reluctant to answer any of these questions since I am not at all sure that I could come up with a riddle but....I think that it is the sea itself.

Sophia the Thunder Mistress · 01-27-2005, 05:58 PM

Oh, I'm really sorry everyone!

I completely forgot about this thread. The reason why the riddle doesn't make a lot of sense is because I wrote it when I was extremely sleep deprived and so the two halves don't go together in the proper way. I intended to come back and write a new one when I was more rested, but I forgot

.

Anyway, since you all have made such an effort to answer this one, demented as it is, the answer I was looking for is the New Lands that arose from the sea after the destruction of Numenor and the removal of Valinor from the world. At least the first two lines get at that, the second two just get at the bending of the seas and the fact that the sun now goes around and not across. It doesn't make much sense.

Anyway, Garen LiLorian I think you were closest, so you may have the thread.

Sophia

Garen LiLorian · 01-27-2005, 07:48 PM

Huh. Well, hooray for closest, then.

Here you go.

Armies march at my command,
Yet I speak in no tongue of Man,
I shiver, though not from fear,
Though I carry it to those who hear,
Grond I command, and orcish host,
Hear my voice sounding Deep, and know you are lost.

rutslegolas · 01-28-2005, 04:53 AM

The Witch King of Angmar . ????

Neithan · 01-28-2005, 06:23 AM

Drums.

Garen LiLorian · 01-28-2005, 09:17 AM

Well done Neithan. All yours

Neithan · 01-28-2005, 09:49 AM

Oh crap what did I get myself into. Give me a little while and I will try to come up with one.

Neithan · 01-31-2005, 12:47 PM

Funny how I have a fair amount of skill when it comes to solving riddles but am completely incapable of creating them. So I stole this from another site.

I loved a great beauty
I fought a great fight
I killed my opponent
But died of a bite

Evisse the Blue · 02-01-2005, 05:52 AM

Is it Beren?

Neithan · 02-01-2005, 06:04 AM

I knew someone would guess that but no.

Evisse the Blue · 02-12-2005, 08:15 AM

Huan then?

Marky Lazer · 02-16-2005, 07:36 AM

I'll say Carcharoth.

I loved a great beauty
He loved the Silmarils.
I fought a great fight
He fought in the Hunting of the Wolf.
I killed my opponent
Carcharoth wounded both Huan and Beren mortally when they fought at the River Esgalduin.
But died of a bite
He was killed by Huan, a dog, so probably died because of a bite.

Gil-Galad · 02-16-2005, 08:12 AM

Finrod Felagund maybe?

Neithan · 02-16-2005, 12:48 PM

Sorry forgot about this thread, Huan was the correct answer so take it away Evisse.

Evisse the Blue · 02-18-2005, 09:08 AM

Given by the Fair,
Abandoned in despair,
Found by Hope
Recovered by the Traveller.

This one may be quite obscure.

Marky Lazer · 02-18-2005, 09:23 AM

Arwen Evenstar would be my guess.

Given by the Fair,
Given to Aragron by her father an elf. Elves are the fair race...
Abandoned in despair,
Elrond tried to convince her to go to the Undying Lands. Because there was nothing but despair for her.
Found by Hope
Hope: The meaning of Aragorn's name Estel
Recovered by the Traveller.
Gandalf called Aragron 'the greatest traveller and huntsman in this age of the world'

This is all I can make of it. Though I'm not certain this is the correct answer, I'm sticking with it for now anyway.

Marky Lazer · 02-18-2005, 12:42 PM

On a second thought, together with a friend of mine...

The Leaves of Lórien?

Given by the Fair,
Given by Galadriel.
Abandoned in despair,
When Merry and Pip were captured by the Uruks, they throw it away.
Found by Hope
Recovered by the Traveller.
See my previous explanation.

01-17-2005, 06:41 AM	#162
Soronumë Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25	Okay, I have no idea.. but I'm stupid and haven't read LotR on English... Anyway I just wanted to pop out and say how cool quiz this seems to be. ^^ __________________ And she was the child of stars, bearing their light on her forehead. Wisdom lies in her eyes and love in her heart.

01-17-2005, 08:27 AM	#163
Marky Lazer Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 82	I made a new thread not realising there was a similar one around. So, The Saucepan Man told me to post it here... What character, item or race of Arda do I mean? He is so fat Not big of height Man but not quite In holes like rats __________________ There are two kind of people. Those who have read Tolkien, and those who are going to read Tolkien.

01-17-2005, 09:55 AM	#164
Soronumë Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25	I think there was another riddle going on, but time has passed and none has answered... :S But I think I know that! a Hobbit! __________________ And she was the child of stars, bearing their light on her forehead. Wisdom lies in her eyes and love in her heart.

01-19-2005, 02:27 AM	#165
Marky Lazer Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 82	Not quite... Close, but not correct yet. __________________ There are two kind of people. Those who have read Tolkien, and those who are going to read Tolkien.

01-19-2005, 08:55 AM	#167
Marky Lazer Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 82	No, Bombur isn't correct either. It is a race (but not the dwarfs), Soronumë was on the right track... __________________ There are two kind of people. Those who have read Tolkien, and those who are going to read Tolkien.

12-05-2004, 02:02 AM	#161
nobody Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Utumno Posts: 64	No its a group of people that I'm looking for (only one of them is named and the whole group doesn't really have a name either.)

01-19-2005, 01:15 PM	#168
Soronumë Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25	awh... thinks this would be a LOT easier if I only had read LotR on English.... :S __________________ And she was the child of stars, bearing their light on her forehead. Wisdom lies in her eyes and love in her heart.

01-19-2005, 07:48 PM	#169
Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 529	Still trying The Woses, represented by Ghân-buri-Ghân? He is fat and not tall, and a Wild Man - not quite like the rest of Men of Middle-Earth. The only part I can't find a reference for is "in holes like rats." __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey

01-20-2005, 03:24 AM	#170
Marky Lazer Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 82	It is a bit of a nasty one, so I toss in another hint... It's one of the three ancient hobbit-kinds. __________________ There are two kind of people. Those who have read Tolkien, and those who are going to read Tolkien.

01-20-2005, 07:23 AM	#171
Soronumë Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25	That doesn't still help me.... My friend has borrowed my copy of LotR... And still it wouldn't help since I could only say the Finnish version. __________________ And she was the child of stars, bearing their light on her forehead. Wisdom lies in her eyes and love in her heart.

01-20-2005, 09:06 AM	#172
Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 529	That helps, but it still doesn't fit too neatly. The Stoors are the broadest and heaviest (fattest), but the only mention of holes is made in reference to the Harfoots. Since it is said that all hobbits are inclined to be fat, I'm going to plunk for... The Harfoots: He is so fat - hobbitish, that's all (?) Not big of height - "the Harfoots were... smaller, and shorter..." Man but not quite - a hobbit, of course! In holes like rats - "They... longest preserved their ancestral habit of living in tunnels and holes." - LotR, Prologue, Concerning Hobbits __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey

01-21-2005, 02:16 AM	#173
Marky Lazer Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 82	Which is correct! Take it away Nuranar! __________________ There are two kind of people. Those who have read Tolkien, and those who are going to read Tolkien.

01-23-2005, 05:57 PM	#174
Nuranar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: STILL a drought Posts: 529	After a delay, here is my offering: I, aloof but not alone, unsullied; One of three, sundered, but close; Seeing and hearing, perhaps, but Never replying, heedless of the great voice. Who or what is the speaker? __________________ I admit it is better fun to punt than be punted, and that a desire to have all the fun is nine-tenths of the law of chivalry. Lord Peter Wimsey

01-23-2005, 06:06 PM	#176
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Tol Brandir I, aloof but not alone, unsullied;- Had never been stepped on by man One of three, sundered, but close;- one of three hills separated by the Anduin Seeing and hearing, perhaps, but- the other two are Amon Hen, the hill of sight, and Amon Lhaw, the hill of hearing Never replying, heedless of the great voice.- There is no hill of Speech , the great voice would be Rauros. Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

01-24-2005, 04:19 AM	#178
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	It's so late (early?) I can't tell if this is easy, hard, or deranged. I do know I should never attempt rhyme at 5 a.m. Ere sea was broken I was not yet rose when Atalante fell Once sunset's home, her final stop Now flaming birth I see as well Draws large black Xs over the riddle I suspect the above riddle is actually deranged and request all of your permission to create a new one. I shall have it up this evening if you lovely people can be patient. __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me! Last edited by Sophia the Thunder Mistress; 01-24-2005 at 04:15 PM.

01-25-2005, 09:00 AM	#179
Soronumë Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25	Valinor??? __________________ And she was the child of stars, bearing their light on her forehead. Wisdom lies in her eyes and love in her heart.

01-26-2005, 01:34 PM	#180
Marky Lazer Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 82	Oomph, I really could use a hint in here... __________________ There are two kind of people. Those who have read Tolkien, and those who are going to read Tolkien.

01-27-2005, 02:11 AM	#181
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Arien aka The Sun? __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

01-27-2005, 03:44 AM	#182
Marky Lazer Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 82	With some thoughts of Evisse... Ere sea was broken I was not Arda was originally a flat world, the continents (Aman, Hither Lands and Darkland) were surrounded by a mighty ocean. So, it was pretty early when this 'thing' was already there... yet rose when Atalante fell Atalantë, Quenya for Númenor after its Downfall in II 3319. Though the Sun first rose at the beginning of the First Age... Once sunset's home, her final stop Doesn't makes sense, the sun comes back every day, doesn't it? Now flaming birth I see as well Is this like Heart of Fire (Anar or any name for the sun...) then it DOES make sense... Ah... you got to help us out Sophia! __________________ There are two kind of people. Those who have read Tolkien, and those who are going to read Tolkien.

01-27-2005, 10:19 AM	#183
Garen LiLorian Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The frigid white wilderness of the Midwest Posts: 235	I don't have an answer, at least not one that I think is right, but in the spirit of helpfulness; The only lead I have is that it is something far to the west. The last two lines seem to refer to the changing of Arda from flat to round, if that's any help. My only guess is 'the Waves' The first line doesn't make sense, but Atalante was destroyed by a tidal wave, The Sun sets on the waves in the West, and since Arda was changed it also rises from them in the East. I don't really think this is right, but maybe it'll spur someone else's thought processes. __________________ This is my quest, to follow that star; no matter how hopeless, no matter how far. To fight for the right, without question or pause. To be willing to march into Hell for a Heavenly cause! -Man of La Mancha

01-27-2005, 12:18 PM	#184
Neithan Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 126	I have been reluctant to answer any of these questions since I am not at all sure that I could come up with a riddle but....I think that it is the sea itself. __________________ If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. Men will believe what they see.~Henry David Thoreau

01-27-2005, 05:58 PM	#185
Sophia the Thunder Mistress Scent of Simbelmynë Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aboard Highwind, bound for Traverse Town Posts: 1,780	Profuse Apologies Oh, I'm really sorry everyone! I completely forgot about this thread. The reason why the riddle doesn't make a lot of sense is because I wrote it when I was extremely sleep deprived and so the two halves don't go together in the proper way. I intended to come back and write a new one when I was more rested, but I forgot . Anyway, since you all have made such an effort to answer this one, demented as it is, the answer I was looking for is the New Lands that arose from the sea after the destruction of Numenor and the removal of Valinor from the world. At least the first two lines get at that, the second two just get at the bending of the seas and the fact that the sun now goes around and not across. It doesn't make much sense. Anyway, Garen LiLorian I think you were closest, so you may have the thread. Sophia __________________ The seasons fall like silver swords, the years rush ever onward; and soon I sail, to leave this world, these lands where I have wander'd. O Elbereth! O Queen who dwells beyond the Western Seas, spare me yet a little time 'ere white ships come for me!

01-27-2005, 07:48 PM	#186
Garen LiLorian Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The frigid white wilderness of the Midwest Posts: 235	Huh. Well, hooray for closest, then. Here you go. Armies march at my command, Yet I speak in no tongue of Man, I shiver, though not from fear, Though I carry it to those who hear, Grond I command, and orcish host, Hear my voice sounding Deep, and know you are lost. __________________ This is my quest, to follow that star; no matter how hopeless, no matter how far. To fight for the right, without question or pause. To be willing to march into Hell for a Heavenly cause! -Man of La Mancha

01-28-2005, 04:53 AM	#187
rutslegolas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In Elven Lands of India Posts: 533	The Witch King of Angmar . ???? __________________ If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with the bull - The Phantom.

01-28-2005, 06:23 AM	#188
Neithan Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 126	Drums. __________________ If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. Men will believe what they see.~Henry David Thoreau

01-28-2005, 09:17 AM	#189
Garen LiLorian Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The frigid white wilderness of the Midwest Posts: 235	Well done Neithan. All yours __________________ This is my quest, to follow that star; no matter how hopeless, no matter how far. To fight for the right, without question or pause. To be willing to march into Hell for a Heavenly cause! -Man of La Mancha

01-28-2005, 09:49 AM	#190
Neithan Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 126	Oh crap what did I get myself into. Give me a little while and I will try to come up with one. __________________ If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. Men will believe what they see.~Henry David Thoreau

01-31-2005, 12:47 PM	#191
Neithan Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 126	Funny how I have a fair amount of skill when it comes to solving riddles but am completely incapable of creating them. So I stole this from another site. I loved a great beauty I fought a great fight I killed my opponent But died of a bite __________________ If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. Men will believe what they see.~Henry David Thoreau

02-01-2005, 05:52 AM	#192
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Is it Beren? __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

02-01-2005, 06:04 AM	#193
Neithan Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 126	I knew someone would guess that but no. __________________ If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. Men will believe what they see.~Henry David Thoreau

02-12-2005, 08:15 AM	#194
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Huan then? __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

02-16-2005, 07:36 AM	#195
Marky Lazer Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 82	I'll say Carcharoth. I loved a great beauty He loved the Silmarils. I fought a great fight He fought in the Hunting of the Wolf. I killed my opponent Carcharoth wounded both Huan and Beren mortally when they fought at the River Esgalduin. But died of a bite He was killed by Huan, a dog, so probably died because of a bite. __________________ There are two kind of people. Those who have read Tolkien, and those who are going to read Tolkien.

02-16-2005, 08:12 AM	#196
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Finrod Felagund maybe? __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

02-16-2005, 12:48 PM	#197
Neithan Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 126	Sorry forgot about this thread, Huan was the correct answer so take it away Evisse. __________________ If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. Men will believe what they see.~Henry David Thoreau

02-18-2005, 09:08 AM	#198
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	Thank you! Given by the Fair, Abandoned in despair, Found by Hope Recovered by the Traveller. This one may be quite obscure. __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.